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2007-Nov-16 10:04 am
I really hope that..Google gets it at least it would be put to good use unlike AT&T and verizon. | |
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2007-Nov-16 10:16 am
Re: I really hope that..Wolf in sheep's clothing. Be careful of what you ask for. | |
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2007-Nov-16 10:23 am
Re: I really hope that..said by openbox9:Wolf in sheep's clothing. Be careful of what you ask for. Agreed. Google is starting to make Bill Gates look like the proprietor of a lemonade stand.... | |
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Re: I really hope that..But But....they said their motto is "Don't be evil"....
just wait....they will make the death star look like pop gun. | |
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Try, but it would be one more competitor in the landscape. They have some brilliant people at Google. | |
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said by Subaru:Google gets it at least it would be put to good use unlike AT&T and verizon. Good use meaning shoving advertising down our throats? | |
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| gatorkramNeed for Speed Premium Member join:2002-07-22 Winterville, NC |
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said by Subaru:Google gets it at least it would be put to good use unlike AT&T and verizon. Like many of the other posts have said, I wouldn't trust any company that has stock holders wanting a return on their investments to be looking out for our best interests. I am not saying that this is wrong, for a company to want to make a profit, we all want to make money after all. But how much if enough? How much are the big wigs making compaired to everyone else in the company? How much of that money is turning around, and going back into the company? These are the big questions. | |
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Re: I really hope that..said by gatorkram:I am not saying that this is wrong, for a company to want to make a profit, we all want to make money after all. But how much if enough? How much are the big wigs making compaired to everyone else in the company? How much of that money is turning around, and going back into the company? These are the big questions. The "big wigs" are making precisely what they are worth as defined by the marketplace. If they weren't worth it, they would be fired. If they were worth more, someone else would hire them. This applies to everyone who works there, not just the big wigs. | |
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Actually Google is still run by the founders who are in their 30's, hold controlling stakes of the stock, and are worth billions already. I'd think that shareholders are at more risk than google's "customers"; especially since most of google's customers pay nothing, and have no contract; while most shareholders bought stock that will only hold it's value if google continues to increase their profits by 50% a year. I'll worry about Google when they automatically set me up with a new two year contract when I change the settings on my Gmail account with a $175 termination fee. (ahem telcos) | |
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2007-Nov-16 10:26 am
IF Google bids & IF they win; it will be 5 yrs before startsIF Google bids; and IF they win; the 700Mhz band won't be available until 2009 and then Google/&OR partners would have to build a system before service starts. So you are looking at 2011 or 2012 before you can use a Google wireless system in competition with AT&T or Verizon.
As of this post, Google stock is down 1.6%. I wonder how much Google stock goes down if they actually announce they will bid and how much more if their bid is successful? | |
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2007-Nov-16 11:01 am
Re: IF Google bids & IF they win; it will be 5 yrs before startsGoogle stock is not an issue. let's face it: the company is a industry revolutionizer. their entry into the wireless market should drive prices down and increase features. an added bonus is that it should hurt the lazy and greedy incumbents. | |
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2007-Nov-16 11:07 am
Re: IF Google bids & IF they win; it will be 5 yrs before startssaid by morbo:Google stock is not an issue. It is an issue to their shareholders and it will be an issue in the deliberations of management when they have to decide to bid and how hard they try to win that bid. Google is now a PUBLIC company and that has changed and will continue to change the way they do business. The current Google isn't the same risk taking company it was before their IPO. My guess is that for PR reasons they will announce they will bid, but because it will hurt their bottom line and their stock price, they will not try very hard to win the bidding process. » online.wsj.com/article_p ··· 065.htmlSeveral people familiar with the matter said that the company believes that it would lose goodwill in Washington, if it didn't bid, given that it won changes to the auction rules that will force the winner of one block of spectrum to open its network to any mobile device or software application. | |
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2007-Nov-16 11:35 am
Re: IF Google bids & IF they win; it will be 5 yrs before startslike i said, GOOG is a industry revolutionizer. sure, stockholders will be concerned, but not like incumbent stock holders.
they will bid and win. they know the changes to the auction rules are b.s. and full of loopholes. | |
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Your "lazy and greedy incumbents" were revolutionizers at one point in time...and still are in some realms. If Google enters this market, it won't be for holistic reasons. Google isn't a savior, they're out to make money like every other corporation. The difference is, they've done a great job and hiding marketing their removal of privacy for targeting ads and services....and the sheep continue to follow. | |
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2007-Nov-16 11:24 am
Re: IF Google bids & IF they win; it will be 5 yrs before startssaid by openbox9:Your "lazy and greedy incumbents" were revolutionizers at one point in time...and still are in some realms. If Google enters this market, it won't be for holistic reasons. Google isn't a savior, they're out to make money like every other corporation. The difference is, they've done a great job and hiding marketing their removal of privacy for targeting ads and services....and the sheep continue to follow. I find it very amusing that the same people who foam at the mouth over AT&T and Verizon, are positively fawning when it comes to Apple and Google. They actually BELIEVE that all corporations are not the same - i.e. profit seeking entities that will do anything short of illegality to goose profits and the stock price. I am pro-corporate as many here point out, but I have no illusions over the actions of corporations and where their interests lie. It is to make money. People who ascribe any other motives to some corporations and not others merely delude themselves. | |
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2007-Nov-16 11:47 am
Re: IF Google bids & IF they win; it will be 5 yrs before startsthe difference is corporate ethics and responsibility. my personal opinion is that AT&T and their actions are the worst out there. Choosing to break the law and spy on U.S. citizens without a warrant is unforgiveable. Their excuses that the government strong armed them into cooperating is unbelievable especially if you look at Qwest, another telco that refused to cooperate because the actions were clearly illegal. AT&T chose to break the law and get what they wanted (merger approval). Also, their choice of technology for Uverse leaves a lot to be desired.
Verizon at least gets the technology part correct, using fiber to ensure their future competitiveness. However, they are in the same boat as AT&T. They made the decision to spy on citizens of this country. Unforgiveable.
Google is a young company that hasn't been completely taken over by the greed that the other telcos obviously suffer from. At least not yet. They are out to make money, and they manage to do so by breaking the expectations of what is currently in place.
You are deluding yourself if you believe that all corporations are the same. | |
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Re: IF Google bids & IF they win; it will be 5 yrs before startssaid by morbo:You are deluding yourself if you believe that all corporations are the same. You are correct, there are two types of corporations; those that look to make money and non profits. Dont fool yourself, all for profits companies are exactly the same. | |
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said by morbo:~snip~ Their excuses that the government strong armed them into cooperating is unbelievable especially if you look at Qwest, another telco that refused to cooperate because the actions were clearly illegal.~snip~ I would just point out that Joe Nachio is arguing that Qwest was retaliated against by the gov't because they didn't cooperate, so maybe T calculated that variable in it's decision to cooperate. | |
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2007-Nov-16 12:46 pm
Re: IF Google bids & IF they win; it will be 5 yrs before startsI agree with this assessment. | |
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I agree with you morbo. It is just facile cynicism to say that all companies are the same. They have a life cycle and google is still a young innovative company driven by the vision of its founders. It will, in the end, become like all the rest, a reactionary dinosaur run by overpaid mediocre managers, but it isn't there yet. It's agenda presently aligns much better with the interests of the public than the agenda of the ATTs of the world. | |
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I agree with you. However, the trick is being a good corporate citizen. Make money while doing "good" things. This is of course different than making money while having a great marketing department spin. | |
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no one is blind to the fact that google isn't doing anything just to be nice. they want to make money. how they accomplish their goals is what people are attracted to. | |
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2007-Nov-16 12:44 pm
Re: IF Google bids & IF they win; it will be 5 yrs before startsLike letting all of their information, browsing habits, and other identifiable attributes to be used by a company solely for the purpose of making money? Sounds like other corporations to me. Just because Google has performed one of the greatest marketing feats in history, doesn't mean that life will be cherry if they purchase this spectrum. I say if, because I don't believe Google will seriously go after the spectrum...at least on their own, or as a primary investor. | |
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said by morbo:Google stock is not an issue. let's face it: the company is a industry revolutionizer. their entry into the wireless market should drive prices down and increase features. an added bonus is that it should hurt the lazy and greedy incumbents. There you go. Innovation is good.Being lazy is bad. Greed, well some greed is good. Maybe greed is too strong a word to use ALL of the time... | |
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2007-Nov-16 11:58 am
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I think Google might actually justify it's current stock price if they win the auction. Google has successfully shown an ability to succeed and profit where others have done a lackluster job.
Incumbents have done a great job at controlling their customers, but poor job of selling additional services, because they lack value. Google can become a better DoCoMo if they succeed.
The main difference here, is that 5-10billion dollars is a lot of money, return on investment would take a while. It's like FIOS, really, a big cost will bring an even bigger reward. FIOS is more important to Verizon's survival than this is to Google's, though. This is more about growing Google to its full potential. | |
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said by FFH5:IF Google bids; and IF they win; the 700Mhz band won't be available until 2009 and then Google/&OR partners would have to build a system before service starts. So you are looking at 2011 or 2012 before you can use a Google wireless system in competition with AT&T or Verizon. As of this post, Google stock is down 1.6%. I wonder how much Google stock goes down if they actually announce they will bid and how much more if their bid is successful? If Google does bid, and they do win, wouldn't it be smart to start working on the system NOW that way by 2009 they can launch it faster instead of making everyone wait until 2011/2012? | |
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Actually, Google/& partners could build out the infrastructure now and then start broadcasting now. You're correct, it does take time to put up towers or whatever, but we could have something developed by 2009. | |
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2007-Nov-16 10:44 am
donationsi wonder if we all can somehow donate moneys to google to help them win | |
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Which makes you wonderIf Google is going to be looking for a partner and dangle the 700MhZ carrot in front of their faces. | |
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Re: donationsGoogle has about $5B in cash, so I don't think they really need your donation. But I'm sure if you click on a bunch of their ads, they'd be much obliged. | |
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2007-Nov-16 11:46 am
If Google Wins...Google's demand that auction winners be forced to offer wholesale access to competitors.
I hope that they would intend to do this with WISPs as well. | |
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2007-Nov-16 12:45 pm
Re: If Google Wins...Of course they will...Google is here for you | |
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Re: If Google Wins...the new 9 most terrifying words.
"I'm from Google, and I'm here to help you" | |
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2007-Nov-16 3:47 pm
They could build easily.Honestly the largest cellular network is Verizon's and that is worth about 168 Billion.
Say 200 Billion to buy and build a new network that can take advantage of the latest technology has to offer. Remember Google owns a lot of dark fiber they got cheaply during the fiber glut. They might already have enough key facilities to build a core network in the 20 largest markets (Note not largest cities).
Verizon Wireless generates about 8 billion a year in profits.
Google has 200 billion on hand to do this and would be debt free essentially as well once they build the network. Imagine the dividends for the shareholders. It would also add to Google's hard asset value that many dot.com's lack. Were not talking about blowing away 200 billion on something that could end up being worth less. It would be worth far more once it's built in terms of potential revenue.
Course for 200 billion Google could overbuild the national telephone infrastructure VZ,AT&T, Qworst and do FTTH everywhere. Imagine the profits in advertising on gTV!
It's interesting that at this point in time a company has the weight and know how to challenge the Giants of the Telecom industry. I say it's about time. | |
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2007-Nov-16 7:32 pm
One step closer to SkyNETsaid by Rogue Wolf:said by Mike:and finding Sarah Connor "Listen! And understand! That android is out there. It can't be bargained with! It can't be reasoned with! It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until it is on your cell phone!" | |
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2007-Nov-17 12:14 am
Do no evilGoogle may do no evil, but I still worry about a company that seems bent on collecting every piece of information on the web, every piece of email its Gmail users send, every blog post from Blogger, every document from its online software, etc., etc, etc. That's an awful lot of information in the hands of one company. | |
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2007-Nov-17 2:13 am
Put up or shut up.When Google wins the spectrum if they don't offer it to Verizon and at&t at a price below Google's cost they are just pissing on your leg and telling you it is raining. | |
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2007-Nov-17 10:48 am
Would love to see Google or Apple bid for that.I would love to see Google or Apple bid for that. It would really shake up the cell phone industry in the years ahead, and this type of competition could greatly lower prices. Otherwise it will end up like the cable internet providers where there are only a few of them and they all have a monopoly on it. | |
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2007-Nov-17 12:52 pm
Google agin' them fone cumpneys...MANY of you posting are too young to remember that AT&T was America's phone company and they said so in court. A small trucking company busted them up way back when when this trucking company wanted to shoot microwave down the interstate to communicate with their trucks. AT&T (Ma Bell) tried to stop it in court citing "we're America's phone company". This little trucking company sent some attorneys to Washington, DC to meet AT&T in court. They had no name, so the court clerks named this company Microwave Communications Incorporated; and, in doing so, MCI was born.
Remember the $2 per minute long distance rates? What "long distance"? That concept never really existed. A computer and a switch don't care how far electricity has to travel. AT&T marketers did care though and they created this farce called long distance. You got billed for it and it was expensive.
Now that Ma Bell has someone knocking on her door, I'm way happy - Google or not!
Competition rules folks! | |
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2007-Nov-18 6:40 pm
Re: Google agin' them fone cumpneys...said by Mainframer :
They had no name, so the court clerks named this company Microwave Communications Incorporated; and, in doing so, MCI was born.
Remember the $2 per minute long distance rates? What "long distance"? That concept never really existed. A computer and a switch don't care how far electricity has to travel. AT&T marketers did care though and they created this farce called long distance. You got billed for it and it was expensive.
Now that Ma Bell has someone knocking on her door, I'm way happy - Google or not!
Competition rules folks! MCI/WorldCom robbed investors, employees and customers blind. The people that ran America's communication system into the toilet are dead or in jail. MCI is now part of Verizon. Now you know the rest of the story. | |
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