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Google Remains Vague on Google Fiber Expansion
Yet Continues to Insist Deployment is 'Not a Hobby'
by Karl Bode 11:26AM Wednesday Jan 23 2013
Google continues to be incredibly vague about if or when they'll expand Google Fiber outside of Kansas City, though the company insists the effort is no passing fad. Speaking on their earnings call, Google CEO Larry Page this week remarked on the success they've seen so far on offering symmetrical 1 Gbps connections for $70 a month. According to Page Google Fiber is "not a hobby," but the company continues to dodge the question whenever the subject of expansion or more serious deployment pops up:
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"It's been great to see the success there with the initial roll-out," Page said. He cautioned: "We are still in the very early stages of it." But he emphasized: "We are excited about the possibilities there." Pichette said Google Fiber installations are growing each week. "People just love the product," he said. "It’s not a hobby," he added. "We really think we should be making a good business with this opportunity." "We are going to continue to look at the possibility of expanding."
Google's comments that Google Fiber isn't a hobby comes on the heels of the company's insistence in December that Google Fiber "wasn't an experiment." As we noted then, it's not quite clear what you're supposed to call an extremely limited broadband deployment by a search company intended primarily as a testbed.

"Hobby" and "experiment" really aren't too far off the mark.

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axiomatic

join:2006-08-23
Tomball, TX

Houston Texas

Dear Google,
Houston Texas is really flat and really big. Easy to deploy fiber here. Your presence here would be most welcome. Our economy is strong enough that I think you would have a large amount of subscribers.
KKTHX Love ya.

-Ax

workablob

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Re: Houston Texas

said by axiomatic:

Dear Google,
Houston Texas is really flat and really big. Easy to deploy fiber here. Your presence here would be most welcome. Our economy is strong enough that I think you would have a large amount of subscribers.
KKTHX Love ya.

-Ax

+1
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xenophon

join:2007-09-17

Re: Houston Texas

The word in KC is that Google is looking at Houston, though many other cities too.

ilikeme
I live in a van down by the river.
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+2 and DFW also

AMDUSER
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+2 Google should also consider Milwaukee,WI.. a substantial amount of the telephone, cable tv systems are on poles.. which would make for a fast deployment.. All we have is TWC and At&t... and At&t is finding out about the distance / speed limitations of copper.

Milwaukee also has fiber optics from Level 3 and other providers in case they needed additional backhaul.

LightS
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Greenville, TX
Same for Dallas... somewhere in Texas would be nice though! job opportunities in both.. hehe

morbo
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Re: Houston Texas

Dallas would be a stab at AT&T as their headquarters are located there.

LightS
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Re: Houston Texas

It'd be awesome, IMO. Plenty of DC's around for peering.. lol

workablob

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Re: Houston Texas

said by LightS:

It'd be awesome, IMO. Plenty of DC's around for peering.. lol

Yep, Multiple locations of CyrusOne in both Dallas and Houston. Then there's SunGard too.

Bring it!

Dave
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banditws6
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Dallas? Yes please.
xenophon

join:2007-09-17
Given Texas has an ultra business friendly environment, it would not surprise me if they go there next.

KC local ecodev groups hope Google delays expansion as long as possible so KC can capitalize on being only Gfiber metro. KC doesn't have nearly the job market as Houston/Dallas but does have over 10K open IT/tech jobs in over 500 companies. .

»www.city-data.com/forum/kansas-c···ity.html
saneblane

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+1
I second that motion

skeechan
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LOL...of course it's a hobby

It's yet another Google beta project with a very nice escape clause. They'll pull the ripcord on it like they do lots of their stuff.
xenophon

join:2007-09-17

Re: LOL...of course it's a hobby

And some things carry through. So how do you know for certain of failure, because you want it to?

skeechan
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Re: LOL...of course it's a hobby

No, because of how they are going about this. Even the location they selected shows they aren't serious about expanding this and becoming an MSO. I wouldn't be surprised if this is simply research into residential usage of data services; something the rest of their organization would hugely benefit from. Since they have their testbed infrastructure, they can monitor everything the users do and for major marketing based organizations like Google, that is gold. But you don't have to spend $100B on nationwide infrastructure to get that information so they won't bother. Google will not be the next Verizon unless they run into serious problems with MSO data double dipping. But as we see with Google and Orange, Google has shown a willingness to pay off the MSOs looking to double dip.

Nothing will come of this and it is evident by how they are going about this.

ArrayList
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I love the fact that most of Google's products are changing. There is no reason for them to be static, unchanging boring products. That's a good thing.

FFH
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quote:
that Google Fiber "wasn't an experiment." As we noted then, it's not quite clear what you're supposed to call an extremely limited broadband deployment by a search company intended primarily as a testbed. "Hobby" and "experiment" really aren't too far off the mark.

How about "Public Relations", or marketing, or lobbying? Just a way to lobby Washington to give money away to put FTTH in more areas.
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skeechan
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Re: LOL...of course it's a hobby

Washington has run out of everyone else's money.

Guspaz
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Strategy makes sense

If they really do intend to eventually go for large-scale deployments, becoming a major telco, their current strategy (of limited deployments) makes sense. This is their test run, where they can figure everything out, work out all the kinks, and mature the service. Once they've figured things out, they can scale up and deploy more widely.

Users in Kansas are, in effect, beta testers.
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AnonFTW

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Re: Strategy makes sense

said by Guspaz:

If they really do intend to eventually go for large-scale deployments, becoming a major telco, their current strategy (of limited deployments) makes sense. This is their test run, where they can figure everything out, work out all the kinks, and mature the service. Once they've figured things out, they can scale up and deploy more widely.

Users in Kansas are, in effect, beta testers.

And with the new Federal mandates that fiber conduit must be laid with any new (federally funded) roadway construction, it becomes even cheaper to deploy.

IowaCowboy
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A better idea

A better idea would be cable TV overbuilders that are less focused on the TV business and more focused on broadband and VoIP offerings. An ideal company would build an HFC network using DOCSIS 3.0 with each node serving 500 customers maximum and offers a TV package that has only the most popular channels (such as Fox News, Weather Channel, the Disney Channel, Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, local broadcast stations, discovery channel, etc) and about 100 channels maximum on their TV offering but would focus its core business on broadband and VoIP. The ideal company would have caps that allow for normal residential use and business grade plans with no caps. The ideal company would also treat all packets equal on a first come first serve basis and offer speeds that are generous but throttled to ensure that all users get full enjoyment of their connection (in other words, prevent a few bandwidth hogs on the node from ruining the experience of the majority of users on the node). The ideal company would also offer VoIP services that are competitive with other VoIP users but offer carrier grade reliability (like Comcast Digital Voice) and works with alarm dialers and fax machines. As for TV, the ideal provider would have a choice of set-top boxes that would either be full featured or no-frills (for the older generation).
silbaco
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Re: A better idea

The problem is cable overbuilders tend to fall behind because they don't have deep enough pockets. Even Imon, while having great service, is falling behind in speeds compared to Mediacom. Hopefully they will be able to catch up this year, but it is a constant battle.

IowaCowboy
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Re: A better idea

One of the problems with ImOn (which I think may have bankrupted their predecessor McLeod USA) was they built both a PSTN and an HFC network. When I lived in Cedar Rapids, I had McLeod for a while and the line they ran to my house was a twin lead wire with one lead being an RG11 coaxial cable and the other being a twisted pair POTS line on the other lead coming from the pole. The system they have is too cumbersome to maintain. What I think ImOn should do is abandon the PSTN portion of their network and migrate their voice customers to VoIP using Arris or Cisco EMTAs so they could cut their outside plant costs in half. When they built their network (I remember them running their lines through our backyard in 1998), cell phones were a luxury and cable modem service was in its infancy so their network was an early design for triple plays. Now with VoIP being common and a PSTN sunset being the big telco's dream, they can deliver a triple play using an HFC plant and no longer need the PSTN part of the plant. Comcast (where I live) has been selling VoIP since 2005 or so.

A dream come true would be Verizon upgrading my area to FiOS but that is not going to happen in the near future.

ArrayList
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I really don't know what TV has to do with Google Fiber.

ITALIAN926

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Re: A better idea

Youre right, it has NOTHING to do with it at all. Google only provides TV service over their fiber. sigh.

I know all you cord cutters are in denial, but fiber would NOT sell without TV service. Youre all a very small percentage of subscribers going internet only.

Verizon FioS performs poorly in areas where they dont have signed TV franchises.

ArrayList
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Re: A better idea

I would pay whatever the real price was without TV. Many of us would.

jfleni

@bhn.net

Re: A better idea

Personally, I despise TV of any kind; I'd rather run out to the nearest Interstate and "moon" the traffic than watch TV! But most people do NOT feel that way, and that is that. I'm just happy that TV addiction makes the wonderful Internet possible.
silbaco
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FiOS performs poorly in many areas, even with TV. Despite the common opinion around here, many people are simply happy with what they have. Verizon DSL performs for what they need. Why change?
xenophon

join:2007-09-17

Re: A better idea

VZ FIOS uses GPON, it appears Google is using Active Ethernet, so doesn't have the GPON issues...

»www.gfiberforum.com/forum/thread···-or-GPON
silbaco
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Re: A better idea

But neither GPON nor Active Ethernet will make a difference to the end user. They don't know the difference. To them, fiber is fiber.

ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
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Define "poor". They are approaching an overall 40% adoption rate, and thats not too shaby.
silbaco
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Re: A better idea

That's not very good considering how long many of these markets have had FiOS. Even with the help of Sandy.

In the markets near me with fiber (not FiOS) the adoption rate over DSL is more than 40% and the fiber has been active for less time. The TV service is a major driving factor. The other being faster speeds for the same price.

ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
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Re: A better idea

With 3, sometimes 4 TV providers, I think 40% is pretty good.
mattmac

join:2011-03-27
West Palm Beach, FL
I don't understand the huge need for large amounts of bandwidth the house?I have 12 Mb with AT&T uverse it works fine for all my needs more bandwidth would be a waste!
eviljolly

join:2005-10-29
Houston, TX

Re: A better idea

Bandwidth isn't like water, or electricity. It isn't "wasted." In fact, in most cases, newer and faster equipment uses less power than old antiquated versions.

Any time you do an update, any time you upload a video, or download a large file, you're wasting seconds, minutes, or even hours waiting for this to happen.

Nothing is wasted by having more bandwidth, only less. The faster the internet gets as a whole, the more productive we can be at work, and the more fun we can have at home. Nobody likes waiting, and there's no reason we should have to. ISPs are currently making way more money than they should from the amount of bandwidth they give us.
silbaco
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It's a hobby

Maybe they think by saying it is not a hobby, their competition will get worried and start upgrading.
elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA

Re: It's a hobby

Hobbies are not tax-deductible.

Business losses are.
Chaldo

join:2008-03-18
West Bloomfield, MI

Detroit/ West Bloomfield, MI!!!

All we have is Comcast, and AT&T U-verse which half the people cannot get. I think AT&T is overpriced, and FUCK comcast!!! come on google step up the game mother fuckers!!!!

Kommie
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united state
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Wallingford, CT

Try Wallingford, CT the town owns the electric plant and the telephone poles.
Darknessfall
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Re: Wallingford, CT

All of CT should be next .
axus

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Did Page say how much money they were making/spending?

We're all very interested in how profitable/unprofitable this thing will be for them. If they're actually making money over a 5 year period, we can point out what a bad job the incumbents are doing. If not, we shouldn't feel so bad about the current state of ISPs in the USA.

xamax

@scansafe.net

Google is the devil!

I'll take the 1g for $70 but I'm sure as hell going to b*tch about it as I do. People in the 70's and there about, use to have this idea that BIG BROTHER (the government) is watching our every move. Forget that! Google is trying to shove a leash in our a**. They want to know everything we're doing so they can market market market. You think they want to get into the ISP biz? No. They just want to be able to spy on everything you do legally.

Thanks for letting me rant and should my body be found in a ditch later on today. It will just go to show you that "the company" has agents everywhere.

PaulHikeS2

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Manchester, NH

Manchester, NH

It's cold, snowy, icy, hilly, and flood prone. If you can make it here, you can make it anywhere. Come prove how robust your service is!
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ShellMMG

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Dear Google:

Here in Michigan we've got a "nerd" governor who was a CEO of a major computer company, who actually took on the stodgy state government when they gave him a 12" square monitor on his first day on the job.

We have University of Michigan, Michigan State, Grand Valley, Central, Michigan Tech and numerous other universities and institutions. We are now right to work and will welcome any and all companies who come here. The Auto Show gave us dreams of internet-connected vehicles and there's a big, fat fiber pipe under the freeway from Detroit to Chicago, so you could branch out from there!

Don't get me wrong, I'm eternally grateful to Frontier for bringing through DSL and ending my +7 year battle to get working broadband. But fiber is an amazing thing, we're a geek family and would bend over backwards to bring it here.

(Sorry, I'm dreaming this morning)
decifal

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Bon Aqua, TN
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TN

Middle TN, starting with Dickson please! Hell, pay me at least 10 an hour and i'll help!!

Uhhhnone

@174.141.208.x

l.A

How wbout California?Starting with the L.A area. Im sure youll get tons of customers here.