Google Starts Using Behavioral Ads Though they give users more control over them Tipped by Linklist 
Last year a company called NebuAD started placing hardware on ISP networks that tracked user website visits, then used that data to deliver contextual ads based on those surfing habits. The endeavor didn't end very well. Since the system was thought to potentially violate wiretap and privacy ads, the entire idea imploded under Congressional scrutiny -- and most of the participants in the project now face lawsuits. In an act of bravery (or stupidity), Google now says they're jumping into behavioral advertising with both feet, despite the recent uproar: Google said that it planned to segment users along 20 categories and nearly 600 subcategories, and would not create categories for certain sensitive interests, including race, religion, sexual orientation or certain types of financial or health concerns. It does not plan to associate the cookie of users with search data or with information from other Google services, like Gmail. Google tries to explain the idea over at their AdSense blog, saying that the idea's currently in beta, with broader expansion planned for 2009. Google's privacy policy explains how users can opt-out of this new type of user tracking. Of interesting note is that Google is giving users some degree of control over what types of ads they'll see via a new ad delivery preferences portal. You can expect Google's biggest enemies (AT&T, Comcast and Verizon), who are eager to engage in behavioral advertising themselves, to come out swinging on this subject later today, painting the search giant as the worst sort of privacy violator. Still, there are differences -- namely that Google is giving users some degree of control, and is being transparent about the plan (unlike many of the NebuAD-related ISPs were). We're also talking about a content provider users can choose not to use -- in contrast to an ISP you may be forced to use due to limited competition. Still, there are legitimate questions and concerns here -- not least of which is why consumers should have to opt-out of anything, ever -- and whether Congress will pass a law requiring all such projects be opt in. The system's use of an opt-out cookie is also a nuisance for consumers who frequently delete cookies (though Google has apparently tackled this with a Firefox and IE plugin). Your thoughts?
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 JGROCKYPremium,VIP join:2005-05-19 Chatham, ON | ??? What the hell? Considering the stance on various NN discussions, this particular act makes no sense! | |
|  |  knightmbEverybody Lies join:2003-12-01 Franklin, TN | Re: ??? said by JGROCKY:What the hell? Considering the stance on various NN discussions, this particular act makes no sense! They learn from other companies mistakes (like *cough* in my signature)
Plenty of search engines out there, don't like them, don't use them. Don't like habits tracking around the web, block the companies that want to track them. Even has a opt-out for the less technical but concerned people.
I don't like it either, but at least I won't have to change ISP just to avoid it. How is is much different than what they do with their ads now, Google ads tend to bring up stuff sorta relevant to the page you are on. Can't tell me that's not part of some tracking system already. -- Fight NebuAD and the like: Click Here to pollute their data | |
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 LinklistPremium join:2002-03-03 Longport, NJ kudos:5 2 edits | Some things to consider
The opt-out cookie is not a google.com cookie, it is a doubleclick.net cookie. I allow Google cookies on my systems but not doubleclick.net cookies. So the Google preferred opt-out method wouldn't work unless I made an exception.
I could use the Firefox add-on mentioned, but I have a better way. I use the Firefox add-on "Adblock Plus" along with a subscribed filter lists that blocks all Google ads along with Google analytics tracking cookies at thousands of sites. I use Easylist and EasyPrivacy at »easylist.adblockplus.org/
Of course Adblock Plus blocks more than Google ads. It blocks ads from all vendors on just about every site I ever visited. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page | |
|  |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | Re: Some things to consider said by Linklist:The opt-out cookie is not a google.com cookie, it is a doubleclick.net cookie. I allow Google cookies on my systems but not doubleclick.net cookies. So the Google preferred opt-out method wouldn't work. I could use the Firefox add-on mentioned, but I have a better way. I use the Firefox add-on "Adblock Plus" along with a subscribed filter lists that blocks all Google ads along with Google analytics tracking cookies at thousands of sites. I use Easylist and EasyPrivacy at » easylist.adblockplus.org/Of course Adblock Plus blocks more than Google ads. It blocks ads from all vendors on just about every site I ever visited. So basically sites that provide you information and content for FREE you basically fuck them over? Yes ads can be annoying but fact is without a revenue stream the only other option for site to generate revenue is to charge subscriptions. I'd rather not have to pay for every site I want to visit.
Sorry but if I have asite and i'm letting you visit my site for FREE and ad are the way I genrate revenue you don't really have a right to block anything. I mean legally you can, but the "I wish to not be an asshole" law you can't. | |
|  |  |  exocet_cmI am the law - Judge DreddPremium join:2003-03-23 New Orleans, LA kudos:2 1 edit | Re: Some things to consider
said by BF69:said by Linklist:The opt-out cookie is not a google.com cookie, it is a doubleclick.net cookie. I allow Google cookies on my systems but not doubleclick.net cookies. So the Google preferred opt-out method wouldn't work. I could use the Firefox add-on mentioned, but I have a better way. I use the Firefox add-on "Adblock Plus" along with a subscribed filter lists that blocks all Google ads along with Google analytics tracking cookies at thousands of sites. I use Easylist and EasyPrivacy at » easylist.adblockplus.org/Of course Adblock Plus blocks more than Google ads. It blocks ads from all vendors on just about every site I ever visited. So basically sites that provide you information and content for FREE you basically fuck them over? Yes ads can be annoying but fact is without a revenue stream the only other option for site to generate revenue is to charge subscriptions. I'd rather not have to pay for every site I want to visit. Sorry but if I have asite and i'm letting you visit my site for FREE and ad are the way I genrate revenue you don't really have a right to block anything. I mean legally you can, but the "I wish to not be an asshole" law you can't. I have every right to block whatever content I do not want to be exposed to, including advertisements. Nuff said  -- "I have measured out my life with coffee spoons..." - T.S Eliot Check Out the Tech Bench »johndball.blaize.net/index.php/tech-bench/ Ma blog: »www.johndball.com | |
|  |  |  |  Doctor FourMy other vehicle is a TARDISPremium join:2000-09-05 Dallas, TX | Re: Some things to consider said by exocet_cm:I have every right to block whatever content I do not want to be exposed to, including advertisements. Nuff said This is something that every marketdroid in the advertising industry doesn't seem to get.
And I see nothing wrong with blocking them when ad networks are routinely hijacked to redirect site visitors to rogue security software such as Antivirus 2009.
As for Google/Doubleclick, not only do I use Adblock Plus, but TrackMeNot. -- "The trouble with computers, of course, is that they are very sophisticated idiots." - Doctor Who (from Robot)
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|  |  |  |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | said by exocet_cm:said by BF69:said by Linklist:The opt-out cookie is not a google.com cookie, it is a doubleclick.net cookie. I allow Google cookies on my systems but not doubleclick.net cookies. So the Google preferred opt-out method wouldn't work. I could use the Firefox add-on mentioned, but I have a better way. I use the Firefox add-on "Adblock Plus" along with a subscribed filter lists that blocks all Google ads along with Google analytics tracking cookies at thousands of sites. I use Easylist and EasyPrivacy at » easylist.adblockplus.org/Of course Adblock Plus blocks more than Google ads. It blocks ads from all vendors on just about every site I ever visited. So basically sites that provide you information and content for FREE you basically fuck them over? Yes ads can be annoying but fact is without a revenue stream the only other option for site to generate revenue is to charge subscriptions. I'd rather not have to pay for every site I want to visit. Sorry but if I have asite and i'm letting you visit my site for FREE and ad are the way I genrate revenue you don't really have a right to block anything. I mean legally you can, but the "I wish to not be an asshole" law you can't. I have every right to block whatever content I do not want to be exposed to, including advertisements. Nuff said Um if it's MY site it's I that dictate the rules not you. if you don't like them you are free not to come back. An din fact if you are just going to be a freeloading leech I'd rather not have you back. I guess you think website cost nothing to run and are created by magical fairies. | |
|  |  |  |  |  rbedardPremium join:2007-06-19 Scotts Valley, CA | Re: Some things to consider I do not believe that you have a reasonable expectation of controlling access to your site unless you control access to it.
If you PUBLISH (to the general public), you have no reasonable expectation that people will download or view all of the content of any particular page.
If your site depends on ad revenue, you need to have enforceable policies in place to get people to sign up to see the ads.
Otherwise, the visitor decides what they view or do not view. | |
|  |  |  |  |  exocet_cmI am the law - Judge DreddPremium join:2003-03-23 New Orleans, LA kudos:2 | quote: Um if it's MY site it's I that dictate the rules not you.
WTF? If I block ads from YOUR website then what? Who is gonna stop me? You and what digital army?
Resistance is futile, mwuahahahahahaha
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|  |  |  |  |  |  iansltx join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO kudos:2 | Re: Some things to consider Shouldn't be that hard.
Maybe a little bit of Javascript that gives people who don't fetch that bit of content a nastygram. Or maybe a bit of beautifully formatted text under where the ad woulda been. | |
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| Re: Some things to consider I've been to some sites that do this, You block the ad, and upon loading, it warns you to not block them, and doesn't load the page. The only way to view the page is to unblock the ad, then refresh. -- ~There is no Normal or Abnormal... Just Diversity. Member of Team Helix - Join Us? | |
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 |  |  |  h7 @charter.com | said by exocet_cm:said by BF69:said by Linklist:The opt-out cookie is not a google.com cookie, it is a doubleclick.net cookie. I allow Google cookies on my systems but not doubleclick.net cookies. So the Google preferred opt-out method wouldn't work. I could use the Firefox add-on mentioned, but I have a better way. I use the Firefox add-on "Adblock Plus" along with a subscribed filter lists that blocks all Google ads along with Google analytics tracking cookies at thousands of sites. I use Easylist and EasyPrivacy at » easylist.adblockplus.org/Of course Adblock Plus blocks more than Google ads. It blocks ads from all vendors on just about every site I ever visited. So basically sites that provide you information and content for FREE you basically fuck them over? Yes ads can be annoying but fact is without a revenue stream the only other option for site to generate revenue is to charge subscriptions. I'd rather not have to pay for every site I want to visit. Sorry but if I have asite and i'm letting you visit my site for FREE and ad are the way I genrate revenue you don't really have a right to block anything. I mean legally you can, but the "I wish to not be an asshole" law you can't. I have every right to block whatever content I do not want to be exposed to, including advertisements. Nuff said I whole-heartedly agree. It's bs ideas that are permeating the masses like numb-skull mentioned ("Sorry but if I have asite and i'm letting you visit my site for FREE and ad are the way I genrate revenue you don't really have a right to block anything") that still have prevented any serious laws being passed that make ALL internet spying and un-willful data collection, retention, distribution, and selling illegal. Don't tell me it's about freedom of speech either, anyone, because everyone also has the freedom FROM speech and to not have others constantly spying on them, whether they be a person or a gigantic multinational corporation that is the perp, it does not matter and is the same thing. Probably the largest travesty that has happened on the internet and especially recently on the internet is people giving up all their rights of privacy just because they get swindled into believing it's for a "greater good". This is total and utter bs and the more obnoxious google and its supporters become in cramming these ideas down my throat, the more adamant I am in fighting against these ideas, at least from everything I use. The truly sad thing is those who are the first to defend google and its enterprises are also the first to "accidentally" get all sorts of viruses and such on their computers and everyone they know all of a sudden are sending out spam-mail from something they downloaded.. and they still don't even know about it. Meanwhile, it's no big thing, since they only knew the internet existed since 2000 (just fyi for anyone that doesn't know, it has been around since at least 1969 if you don't count arparnet). So anyway, only boneheads support anything that infringes a human beings right of privacy. They would be the first to jump in line to sign up for a doublespeak class or a second helping of soylent green. How pathetic.
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 |  |  LinklistPremium join:2002-03-03 Longport, NJ kudos:5 1 edit | said by BF69:So basically sites that provide you information and content for FREE you basically **** them over? Yes ads can be annoying but fact is without a revenue stream the only other option for site to generate revenue is to charge subscriptions. I'd rather not have to pay for every site I want to visit. Sorry but if I have a site and i'm letting you visit my site for FREE and ad are the way I generate revenue you don't really have a right to block anything. I mean legally you can, but the "I wish to not be an asshole" law you can't. Whats the difference? I never clicked on ads before I used Adblock. And when I use IE or Chrome while testing those browsers out I never click on ads then either. So, unless I am wrong about how web sites get paid for ads(I have to click on one for you to get money), you weren't getting any money from me anyway. All I have done is remove the annoyance from my monitor. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page | |
|  |  |  |  knightmbEverybody Lies join:2003-12-01 Franklin, TN | Re: Some things to consider said by Linklist:Whats the difference? I never clicked on ads before I used Adblock. And when I use IE or Chrome while testing those browsers out I never click on ads then either. So, unless I am wrong about how web sites get paid for ads(I have to click on one for you to get money), you weren't getting any money from me anyway. All I have done is remove the annoyance from my monitor. Agreed. Unless the ads are embedded into the site itself, I don't care about ads either. I don't click on them (never actually), I mean if I want to buy something, then I go search for it. The "impulse" buying, I'll leave that to others.
Adblock and the like are a choice, not a feature that can't be turned off. If all browsers came with Adblock on by default, then yes I can see a more valid argument about advertising revenue. But those that use this type of extension for their browser never intended to click the ads in the first place so it's no different than ignoring them. -- Fight NebuAD and the like: Click Here to pollute their data | |
|  |  |  |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | said by Linklist:said by BF69:So basically sites that provide you information and content for FREE you basically **** them over? Yes ads can be annoying but fact is without a revenue stream the only other option for site to generate revenue is to charge subscriptions. I'd rather not have to pay for every site I want to visit. Sorry but if I have a site and i'm letting you visit my site for FREE and ad are the way I generate revenue you don't really have a right to block anything. I mean legally you can, but the "I wish to not be an asshole" law you can't. Whats the difference? I never clicked on ads before I used Adblock. And when I use IE or Chrome while testing those browsers out I never click on ads then either. So, unless I am wrong about how web sites get paid for ads(I have to click on one for you to get money), you weren't getting any money from me anyway. All I have done is remove the annoyance from my monitor. Considering you almost ALWAYS agree with me on copyright and how wrong it is to download stuff I am shocked at your attidude at this. What's the differnce between you blocking ads and someone using the excuse that they never had the intention of paying for the content anyways so it's ok to download it. Please explain the differnce. | |
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| Re: Some things to consider Believe it or not there are still some pay per impression ads. OTOH the point of bahavioral advertising is to get something in front of you that is interesting to you so you'll click through. Honestly, as a content producer and a user I see both sides of the coin. I HATE ads that disrupt the layout of the page etc., but I also know that ads pay the bills. I also don't mind ads if they're interesting and are for stuff I care about. On one of the sites I run, Google does a very good job at this...cell phone ads on a cell phone related site. bingo. Facebook does a rather horrid job of matching ads to what I am generally looking for, and thus I'd rather ignore them.
Ignoring ads on ebsites comes from those ads being an annoyance, right? What if they actually made sense and helped you find information instead of being blaring marketing crap? Seems like that's what Google is trying to do. | |
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|  |  |  |  |  asellusPremium join:2004-09-24 malaysia | Re: Some things to consider Name those advertising networks that has primarily CPM than CPC. Preferably those who do not use inline ads. | |
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| said by BF69:said by Linklist:Of course Adblock Plus blocks more than Google ads. It blocks ads from all vendors on just about every site I ever visited. So basically sites that provide you information and content for FREE you basically fuck them over? Yes ads can be annoying but fact is without a revenue stream the only other option for site to generate revenue is to charge subscriptions. I'd rather not have to pay for every site I want to visit. Sorry but if I have asite and i'm letting you visit my site for FREE and ad are the way I genrate revenue you don't really have a right to block anything. I mean legally you can, but the "I wish to not be an asshole" law you can't. I thought everybody blocked ads. I, too, use adblock and never see ads when I use FireFox. When I used to see them I never clicked them. What's the difference between not seeing the ads and not clicking them? None. | |
|  |  |  |  CCTVTechPremium join:2003-04-23 Phoenix, AZ | Re: Some things to consider I only block the annoying flash ads. | |
|  |  |  |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | said by Lone Wolf:said by BF69:said by Linklist:Of course Adblock Plus blocks more than Google ads. It blocks ads from all vendors on just about every site I ever visited. So basically sites that provide you information and content for FREE you basically fuck them over? Yes ads can be annoying but fact is without a revenue stream the only other option for site to generate revenue is to charge subscriptions. I'd rather not have to pay for every site I want to visit. Sorry but if I have asite and i'm letting you visit my site for FREE and ad are the way I genrate revenue you don't really have a right to block anything. I mean legally you can, but the "I wish to not be an asshole" law you can't. I thought everybody blocked ads. I, too, use adblock and never see ads when I use FireFox. When I used to see them I never clicked them. What's the difference between not seeing the ads and not clicking them? None. So if you never intend on buying a movie on DVD just download it from a torrent right? What's the differnce? | |
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| said by BF69:So if you never intend on buying a movie on DVD just download it from a torrent right? What's the differnce? What's a torrent?
I go to a theater and pay cash to see movies or I rent them from NetFlix.
The differnce is that you're comparing apples and watermelons.
There is no differnce in blocking the ads, covering up the part of screen where the ads appear with my hand, or just not clicking on them. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | Re: Some things to consider You're joking right?
There is no differnce in blocking the ads, covering up the part of screen where the ads appear with my hand, or just not clicking on them. once again using YOUR logic if I never intend on paying for the content I can illegally download it from the internet. I'm not costing the movie studio any money because I never intended on paying for it anyways. right? So it's ok. | |
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| Re: Some things to consider So if I walk out of the TV room to take a piss during commercials I am stealing? How about fast forwarding through them? Is that a felony in your world?
Unbelievable.
Ads on web pages are the functional equivalent of TV commercials. There is no guarantee anyone will see any of them and any content you publish to the public is not conditioned on acceptance of the ads. | |
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| So basically sites that provide you information and content for FREE you basically fuck them over? The ads only generate revenue if you click on them so by visiting a web page and not clicking on the ads one could say you fuck them over as well. | |
|  |  |  |  borkedCheese With That Whine?Premium join:2003-08-10 Kalamazoo, MI | Re: Some things to consider said by anony101 :So basically sites that provide you information and content for FREE you basically fuck them over? The ads only generate revenue if you click on them so by visiting a web page and not clicking on the ads one could say you fuck them over as well. That is not completely true. There are many ads that are displayed on a timed basis. You may have a company that "sponsors" an article or section of a web site on a weekly/monthly basis. As a reader I would think that you would want to know who is kind enough to support and make that content available. -- It is much easier to suggest solutions when you don't know too much about the problem. Malcolm Forbes (1919-1990) | |
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| Wow. Well, maybe if the ads weren't as annoying or in your face, I wouldn't mind some of them. Googles ads are great since they usually just blend in with the page. But those flashing seizure ads "YOU ARE INFECTED WITH A VIRUS, CLICK NOW TO REMOVE" somehow become just a bit much to look at.
Once it gets to my computer, if I wish to use Ad and Script blockers to modify how I see the site, so be it. Implement a Javascript method like some sites do that detect whether the ads are loading or not, then either display an error and cancel loading the site if any blocking is taking place, or if ads are loading correctly just load the site normally.
Next up, will be ad blockers that simply hide the ads but continue loading them in the background, so sites will think they've loaded, and the javascript method will become useless. *Continues happily using Adblock Plus with Filter Subscription + Custom Rules.* -- ~There is no Normal or Abnormal... Just Diversity. Member of Team Helix - Join Us? | |
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| I never see any ads period! They are not only annoying, and irreverent to my life, but I see them as a form of social engineering, and of propaganda. If I want to buy something, it's because I have a need for it and I will search it out myself (Isn't this my RIGHT?). I do not want to participate in a system where a market is manufactured. I also strongly object to the invasion of my privacy ads represent (and mandate). Those tracking monsters inevitably attached to advert servers, have no rights, nor access here, and NEVER will.
Since it's my computer (and my brain), I have a perfect right to determine what it does and what it does not do, what it displays and what it does not. YOU have NO RIGHTS here, only I DO! This is still a FREE country!
To those of you who continually bitch and moan that this is stealing "free" content, I call total and utter BS on you! If you want to be paid for your "FREE" content, CHARGE for access, but don't ever force me to be distracted and brain-washed by your dancing palm trees! Free does not equal "advert paid" Free is free (If it's not FREE, say so, be honest, don't LIE perpetually through your rotten teeth, otherwise you are a lying sack of lying-crap, not worthy of any respect). I simply can't tolerate the BS and disingenuous (lying) paradigm you present, and intend to force on ME. It's not only an annoyance, and a distraction, but it's mind-pollution which I have a perfect right, as an individual, and as an American Citizen, to block.
said by Linklist:I use the Firefox add-on "Adblock Plus" So do I. I also use Open DNS for my DNS servers; with all "Adware" sites selected, Their Adware category effectively blocks all major ad-serving sites which ad-block somehow misses. If a piece of crap leaks through, I immediately add it to my Netgear "block Sites" as a generic keyword. This (If the Block-String is selected well) will effectively eliminate all embedded ads.
One more time (because your MARKETOIDS are really stupid (and ignorant dolts). If you want me to PAY for access to your site, then CHARGE me for access. Don't claim it's FREE, and then clobber me with ads (That's the very definition of false ADVERTISING)! I too have rights. If your content is worth paying for, I will pay, otherwise go sit on a carrot, a big fat one! Oh, and if after paying for the content I want, you continue to feed me mindless, stupefying ads. I will demand my money back, and I will see you in court! This is still a free country. I do not recall where marketoids (or lying "I providing 'FREE' CONTENT site owners") have a leg, either legal or moral to stand on. If I decide to PAY for content, then it's MY decision, not yours! This total BS "It's 'free'", but here is how I have decided YOU will pay for it". This is dishonest, and I, for one will not allow it here. Oh, I do not have to subscribe to your business model. That's totally MY choice, not yours! Your "business model" is YOUR business, however, you can not force it on me.
The minute you attempt to FORCE me to subscribe to your paradigm, I will resist. Given the current technology, you don't stand a chance. Be honest! I HATE being lied to and deceived.
You lying bunch of MARKETOIDS are a sack of dung! Be up-front, say that your CONTENT is sponsored by so-and-so, and let me decide whether or not I want to expose myself to your $#|t. It's MY choice in the end anyway.
As long as you lie, cheat, and steal, you are all $(Umb@g$ to me, and not worthy of any respect or access.
As I said, SIT ON IT, and change your evil ways!
I probably should say /RANT. But you MARKETING A$$#0l#$ really piss me off big-time with your Illegal and immoral paradigms! Go $(r#w yourselves, I will NEVER see your lies, and I will NEVER subscribe your (R@p! What a buch of filthy WHORES!
Bob -- "If we believe absurdities, we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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|  |  |  h7 @charter.com | Re: Some things to consider said by TamaraB:I probably should say /RANT. But you MARKETING A$$#0l#$ really piss me off big-time with your Illegal and immoral paradigms! Go $(r#w yourselves, I will NEVER see your lies, and I will NEVER subscribe your (R@p! What a buch of filthy WHORES! Bob -- "If we believe absurdities, we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire Dude that was an awesome diatribe. Burn them down yes! Now too bad the corps with no soul or politicos will ever adopt those ideas and actually reverse mindwash themselves and others. Sucks for us maybe its burning up their computers time.  | |
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 swhx7Premium join:2006-07-23 Elbonia | It's a totally different issue The evil of schemes like Nebu-ad, Phorm et al. is that all the internet user's traffic is intercepted and analyzed, and there's not enough competition in ISPs to enable citizens to opt out of the wiretapping by going to another ISP. In the case of Google, anyone can opt out of the advertising scheme by blocking Google cookies and ad servers, without losing internet access.
For example, I put Google's cookies on my "deny" list (an ordinary browser feature, doesn't even require an extension), and on Google's new "Ad preferences" page it says: quote: Cookies are disabled
Your browser's cookies seem to be disabled. Ads Preferences will not work until you enable cookies in your browser. How do I enable cookies?
If the relatively trivial matter of webservers tracking people is mixed up with the far more ominous prospect of ISPs data-mining the users, it tends to trivialize the latter and ease the political pressure that may save internet users from the worse form of spying. | |
|  | | Next. In other news this month Google will be sued. And everyone thought they couldn't do no harm or anything illegal.
Time for them to go Bye Bye next! | |
|  |  LinklistPremium join:2002-03-03 Longport, NJ kudos:5 | Re: Next. said by hottboiinnc:In other news this month Google will be sued. And everyone thought they couldn't do no harm or anything illegal. Time for them to go Bye Bye next! 2 Privacy groups upset over this.
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Two online privacy groups slammed Google for launching a behavioral advertising program, with one advocate calling Google's plan a privacy "disaster."
Marc Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center. "It's a disaster," he said. "It's about whether the most dominant Internet media firm should be able to exploit its access to Internet user data for advertising purposes. Google long maintained it would not do this type of advertising. Indeed, they claimed they didn't need to and they went after others who did." Rotenberg called on the U.S. Federal Trade Commission to halt Google's plans.
Center for Digital Democracy (CDD), another privacy advocacy group, will call on Google to allow users to opt in to behavioral tracking instead of requiring that they opt out, the current policy, said Jeffrey Chester, CDD's executive director. Google also needs to promise it won't target Internet users under age 18, Chester said.
Chester disputed Google's claims that the beta test is about delivering more interesting ads. "No, it's not," he said. "It's about the most powerful interactive ad company expanding its data collection and targeting activities on users."
"The cookie opt-out doesn't work, it's a bad idea," he said. "People who care about their privacy enough to opt out also are the same people who delete their cookies." -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page | |
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 ropeguruPremium join:2001-01-25 Mechanicsville, VA | THis is what happens... when you go public and have to answer to the investor. | |
|  vms @communications.net | Beta? 'saying that the idea's currently in beta' How long was GMail in beta? It was pretty darn good for a beta product. If the snooping is still in beta does that mean it's not really snooping?  | |
|  |  | | Re: Beta? what do you mean was...gmail is STILL in beta! | |
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|  h7 @charter.com | Starts? Starts? They've been doing this for a long time now. I know that this is politically incorrect, even for BBR, which actively uses GoogleVindication just like most of the rest of the good little lemmings, but I really wish there was an ~effective~ way to utterly block out google and all of its degenerate children. And just to think, searching for GoogleVindication will bring up this page now oh damn... :P
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|  | | ads well....if it's still in beta , would that be beta-snooping also??!..... | |
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