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Camden, TN | Re: Taking a beating?? said by Petermjjh:Taking a beating?? I think not having LTE is a feature. It's a cheaper phone and I can get it unlocked with the ability to move between carriers around the world as I please. Most importantly it is fully compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile's networks.
Well considering T-Mobile doesn't provide ANY service of any kind and my area. And At&t just now brought us 3G I call this phone total FAIL. Could have had me as a customer but not now. Google's loss. | |
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Cortland, NY | Re: Taking a beating?? I live in the boondocks and I have LTE from VZ and crummy ATT coverage and no Sprint or Tmo to speak of. Interestingly though there is a Wimax tower but very few Sprint phone can VoWimax | |
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T-Mobile delivers plenty fast HDSPA in NYC, and their MVNO's deliver the same blazin' fast speeds, though granted they're either capping or are only able to deliver 15/1 so far that I've seen. | |
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T-Mobile delivers plenty fast HDSPA in NYC, and their MVNO's deliver the same blazin' fast speeds, though granted they're either capping or are only able to deliver 15/1 so far that I've seen.
In Orlando tethering with my Nokia that's limited to 14.4 I get 13/3 but on my friends mifi it's more like 30/5. So I guess it's just where you are.
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San Francisco, CA | Re: Taking a beating?? »www.speedtest.net/android/270298505.png
This is pretty normal for me on T-Mobile out here in San Francisco on my One S. And the fact that it's unlimited makes it even better. I usually average around 5GB a month in usage by the time my bill comes around. Then again, I never use WiFi because I want the $30 worth of data I pay for.
With those speeds, I don't really see the need for LTE just yet. Oh, and I will be purchasing a Nexus 4 directly from Google. Anyone want to buy like new a One S?  | |
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Just fine with my 4G LTE I get from Verizon. | |
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Etobicoke, ON | Re: Taking a beating?? said by FBGuy:and you pay out the ass for that LTE from Verizon
You can say that again! jesus christ. | |
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| Re: Taking a beating?? $300, unsub. There had to be some compromises made.
This phone was purposely made for the prepaid market and outside the US where people actually pay for the phone upfront. If you look at 2012 almost all of the subscriber growth came from the prepaid market. American Movil (Tracfone, Straighttalk, Net10) is now as big as Tmobile in subs--over 20 million. NONE of the prepaid vendors allow LTE, so this is purpose built. Outside of the US, LTE is a slow roll. We in the US think we are the only people on the planet. Outside of the US the iPhone isn't nearly as popular because people would have to plunk down over $600, whereas google comes in with a great product for half the price.
Also, if you buy this phone no carrier bloat, unlocked, consistent android experience, and actual updates and improvements.
In my hood, Tmobile tracks at 9Mbs and At&t 7Mbs. We also have cricket and MPCS. I would hardly call that ghetto. As all of the iphone folks move to LTE, watch those networks cough and HSPA rock.
Carrier are slowly starting to move away from subsidized phones, so if you need to plunk down $300 for a google phone or $600 for an iphone, watch AAPL stock.
If they put LTE radios in them, this would have made the price point too high, so they didn't AND they would have to kiss the carriers a$$ to get it qualified which could drag deployment 6 months.
This phone is a picture of the rapidly changing landscape with google trying to free their stuff from the carrier's control and bloatware.
Btw, if you don't have GSM coverage in your area, that's not Google's fault. | |
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| Re: Taking a beating?? I have to agree Google is targeting this phone to the prepaid and those out of contract market, LTE would be nice but not necessary.
TMO has also stated that even after there LTE deployment there will still be HSPA in place so this phone will still be usable, for how long not sure.
With the addition of all the MVNO in the US theres a lot to be had with the bring your own sim crowd. Not to mention the numbers were out as of spring 2012 that there are more prepaid accounts in the US now then postpaid, with prepaid not allowed currently on LTE there is no point to include LTE for this yrs model phone, especially since Verizon is the only North American company to have a decent LTE network. Apple had to go with an LTE model as there targeting Verizon postpaid customers and those customers would not survive or purchase without LTE now that Verizon has upgraded there network, If the iphone 5 was still on ATT only do you think there would have been A LTE radio built in , don't hold your breath on that.
Google still can make a bundle selling this phone in the US to: TMobile, ATT, TRACphone , Simple mobile, Walmart Mobile, Rogers wireless canada, Bell canada, Wind mobile canada, mobilicity canada, etc... So there not a shortage of buyers that will appreciate the $300 price tag. Also overseas LTE is slow to deploy so this phone will still be highly accepted in there market.
My only gripe is NO micro sd card port? that was my main turn off. Target the customers who have the lowest amount of data access available, so screw the cloud when your caped and throttled. Also The customers who can hardly stream due to various prepaid restrictions but leave them without the option to carry around there own 32gb of data on a micro card, that was the fail. | |
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038xx | Re: Taking a beating?? Thanks for the informative posts, buddahbless. Helps this not-so-phoney guy make sense of his upcoming smart phone purchase. The limited local storage option (no SDcard) might keep me away from Nexus 4. | |
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| said by BF69:said by Petermjjh:Taking a beating?? I think not having LTE is a feature. It's a cheaper phone and I can get it unlocked with the ability to move between carriers around the world as I please. Most importantly it is fully compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile's networks.
Well considering T-Mobile doesn't provide ANY service of any kind and my area. And At&t just now brought us 3G I call this phone total FAIL. Could have had me as a customer but not now. Google's loss. So what is stopping you from buying it from the play store and using it on at&t 3g?? Nothing..
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As for you fail comment, you are clueless about mobile devices. GSM is globally supported unlike VZW and Sprint CDMA. There are a lot of people on AT&T and T-Mo that buy international global GSM devices unlocked to get a pure form of the phone as it was meant to be versus bloatware VZW provides. Yep Verizon is so good they kept the G Nexus from getting Jelly Bean for a long time. Google is smart to do what they are doing. There will be a lot of people who buy this phone because of the low cost and NO Contract. | |
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Evanston, IL | Re: Taking a beating?? how many versions of the phone would they have to make? or do you just want horrible battery life for the sake of LTE? | |
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| Re: Taking a beating?? if they added LTE, it would have to support how many different LTE networks all operating on different frequencies. The time is not right to make a phone that supports that many networks. It would be nice, but the idea is ridiculous. I'd venture a guess that the price for support of a device like that would go up significantly also. This phone wasn't made to appease Sprint and Verizon customers. It is a global phone made to appease other markets. | |
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...and if the consumer decides that the price increase is not justifiable, how much money does Google lose? | |
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Winston Salem, NC | said by Petermjjh:Taking a beating?? I think not having LTE is a feature. It's a cheaper phone and I can get it unlocked with the ability to move between carriers around the world as I please. Most importantly it is fully compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile's networks.
LOL - and if it had LTE you'd be claiming it was "on par" with the iPhone. | |
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Bel Air, MD | No LTE Not Only About Battery It's about a few things. Not on Verizon cause of their insistent of reviewing app updates (do they do this with Apple?) and no AT&T LTE is because LTE radio is a little pricey and their frequencies are not like the rest of world. So they make one SKU and keep the cost down. No prob with the HSPA version. Speeds are good for me. | |
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Evanston, IL | Re: No LTE Not Only About Battery They also don't want to build 3 different phones and have to support all of them. They want a standardized device free of carrier meddling. I really don't blame them. Many people are sick of carriers getting their hands into the device business. | |
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kudos:7 | said by bnceo:No prob with the HSPA version. Speeds are good for me. Likewise. I'm a tmo subscriber, so LTE availability really isn't an issue anyways at the moment. 90% of my time is spent at two places, my house and my job, both of which have faster real world connections then what LTE provides. And the 10% of the time that I'm not at one of those two places, HSPA(+) is sufficient for me. | |
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| Apple fans complaining about no LTE? It's kind of ironic that Apple fans are complaining that this phone lacks LTE when the iPhone didn't get LTE until a year and half after it became standard.
From what I've heard, there is no LTE because then the phone would become carrier controlled, as with the Verizon and Sprint Galaxy Nexus, and Google would be forced to compromise. Also, there is no way you are going to be able to sell an LTE phone for $300 unlocked, and Google seems to be pushing unlocked for cheap.
The Nexus 4 definitely isn't for me, but come on now. | |
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| | . This is simply Google catering to lobbyists protecting the profit model of cell phone companies. Nothing to see here. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: . said by NeoandGeo:This is simply Google catering to lobbyists protecting the profit model of cell phone companies. Nothing to see here.
LOL wut?
I'd love to hear you elaborate on how *not* contracting with Verizon and Sprint and instead selling it unlocked "protects" the profit model of cell companies..
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kudos:1 | Re: . The irony is palpable. Last I checked, T-Mobile's HSPA+42 network performance goes toe to toe with Verizon's LTE network performance, and typically bests ATT's LTE network performance.
With pings consistently below 100ms and speeds often higher than 10mbps - even by Verizon's own metrics (5mbps-12mbps expectations for LTE), T-Mobile's HSPA+ network performs quite admirably.
A little productive thought on the matter (rather than focusing on the "3g" buzzword) would go a long way. Even mild logic would dictate otherwise. Moreoever, a read of the very openly available 3GPP release documentation would go even further - you know, considering HSPA+ and LTE are developed actively, side-by-side, by the exact same standards body - again, the 3gpp. The differences in LTE and HSPA+ are quite small indeed. The real-world differences have more to do with deployment strategy than anything. A perfect comparison is Sprint's young LTE network. They chose to deploy 5mhz MIMO (nearly min req for LTE deploy) and peak out at 37mbps. T-Mobile's HSPA42 network maxes out at 42mbps using 10mhz, but without MIMO. If they used MIMO they'd double their speeds. If Sprint used 10mhz they'd double their own speeds.
But your belief is truly that no matter what, LTE is better than HSPA+? And it's worth the constant headaches, higher cost, and worse battery life just to support 2 more networks?
Let's check the speed tests from 2 iPhone5's. One's on an LTE network. The other is on HSPA+.
Huh.
 
So with the LTE>HSPA bullshit out of the way - how, praytell, is Google going to "infringe" or "undercut" Verizon and Sprint's closed ecosystems? While LTE may be a 3GPP open access standard, CDMA2000 sure as shit requires Verizon and Sprint device-approval to work on their networks in the first place. You don't play by CDMA operator rules? You don't get on CDMA operator networks. So you either play their game, or you play your own game.
When you look at the day-to-day reality, T-Mobile's HSPA+ network performs. It leaves piddly little CDMA in its 3g dust. By sticking with an HSPA+ standard that is the primary technology used by some 800 operators in 220 countries rather than burdening themselves with a CDMA/LTE architecture only supported by 2 carriers on different frequencies in 1 country, Google makes the smart move to keep the pricing on their phone rock-bottom. $350 out of the gate for those specs is ridiculous. Moreoever, they ensure that they don't continue to get bad press after dealing with months of delays of Android updates on the Nexus S 4g with Sprint, as well as months of delays of the LTE Galaxy Nexus on Verizon as well as Sprint.
Hell, check out XDA's Galaxy Nexus forum. The LTE versions are a running joke. You have some obscure problem with your Nexus? Not getting timely updates? Getting bad battery life? 50-1 odds you're running an LTE Galaxy Nexus - the handicapable step-brother of the GSM Nexus.
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join:2000-10-07 | No LTE? Eh... What turned me off what the fact that it's an LG phone. I would go to Apple phone at cash and carry pricing before I took a free LG phone. | |
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| Re: No LTE? Eh... said by mob:What turned me off what the fact that it's an LG phone. I would go to Apple phone at cash and carry pricing before I took a free LG phone. If it's Google's OS and Google handling any warranty issues - and one would assume also dictating quality specifications with benchmarks for return rates, etc - why does it matter? | |
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|  LightSPremium
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|  kpfx
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San Antonio, TX | I had the same initial reaction about LG.... but when you think about it, there's really nothing wrong with LG as a manufacturer of stuff. It's their design and implementation teams that are awful.
So with Google essentially designing the Nexus phone and LG "putting the bits together" I think we're safe.
Plus, remember that even Apple is now using LG as a parts supplier for the iPhone 5 (the new screen comes to mind as an example). | |
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philippines | For me, its a bigger issue to not have SD & replaceable batt No LTE? I can live with that for the next 12-18 months if I can get a phone with the pure google experience without all the bloat on top (yes Samsung, Im looking directly at you!) at a reasonable cost.
What floors me is they cannot include SD card functionality? How much could that possibly increase the price? $50 or less? Its still around half the cost of an iPhone.
Also, does replaceable batteries really add to the cost? Isnt it just how the back cover fits on more or less? This is less important to me than SD, but for those long trips, I like having a spare battery around. And when the internal battery ceases to hold a charge, am I supposed to just throw the phone away? | |
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| Re: For me, its a bigger issue to not have SD & replaceable batt I agree. But by sealing the battery they can make the phone slimmer. By sealing it, no SD slot. Adding an SD slot is about $2 BTW.
AAPL started this, and I'm not happy about it. But realistically the higher Flash phones make more margin for the company, versus the stripper model and that's why they do it. Also from a support perspective, not having removable flash lowers support costs.
With greater availability of Wifi this minimizes the need for onboard storage, but doesn't eliminate it.
I griped about it, went and bought an 8GB nexus 7 (8 GB is minimal if you want any games on it, so do 16), and use wifi to stream all my stuff from the cloud. This is what these guys want, it will take a few years for people to get over it.
Look at the Kensington wi-drive. I bought one (along w/ a Seagate goflex sat), which is even better because I can stream from my phone (iphone) or tablets (2 ipad, nexus) and keep the data in the one stick when I am OTG. SO rather than adding data to 4 devices, I just put it on the Wi-drive and whatever device I want to stream from, voila... You can also use an OTG cable. | |
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philippines | Re: For me, its a bigger issue to not have SD & replaceable batt Ah, now I see the point about not having a replaceable battery - they want their phones to be as slim as possible. Not sure I agree with the prioritization, but I see what drove them that way. I have a (I think thin!) Samsung S2, and love the replaceable battery (I have a couple of Anker batteries with an external charger, very convenient)
Yes, Ill check out the Kensington Wi-Drive. Id rather have the expandable storage "inside", but can live with an add on as long as it aint too big.
Im not familiar with an OTG cable, but off I go to the egg to see what I can find.
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|  fuziwuziNot born yesterdayPremium
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That can explain why you will not see an SD slot on a Nexus device. Also, all Nexus devices support OTG, so with a cheap ($1.30 on Monoprice) OTG cable, you can connect a flash drive or even an external hard drive (or keyboard, or many other USB devices) and mount them for storage.
I do agree about the battery. Nexus devices are supposedly for "developers" but if you're developing new code, how are you supposed to handle bootlooping and such if you can't pull the battery?
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Mississauga, ON | said by jwdaigle:No LTE? I can live with that for the next 12-18 months if I can get a phone with the pure google experience without all the bloat on top (yes Samsung, Im looking directly at you!) at a reasonable cost.
What floors me is they cannot include SD card functionality? How much could that possibly increase the price? $50 or less? Its still around half the cost of an iPhone.
Also, does replaceable batteries really add to the cost? Isnt it just how the back cover fits on more or less? This is less important to me than SD, but for those long trips, I like having a spare battery around. And when the internal battery ceases to hold a charge, am I supposed to just throw the phone away?
The Nexus 4 will come with an internal battery that can't be replaced? | |
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For me, HSPA+ is fine. I was considering Republic Wireless for a while, but now I'm learning towards going with the Nexus 4 on T-Mobile's $30/month 100 minutes / unlimited text / unlimited data. | |
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| | Google got it right I don't see any problems with this phone. I would have made it the same way if I was Google. LTE isn't going to be prevalent enough for another 2 years or so. I'm excluding Verizon because I'm not a fool to pay those prices and you can't bring your own phone to their network.
LTE radios are also going to be sucking the power like crazy for the next 2 years or so until they get the technology more refined.
Is any LTE network even exceeding the 42Mbps that this phone is equipped with anyway? Theoretically if a tower has more backhaul for LTE shouldn't this phone benefit up to 42Mbps? Who need more than 42 anyway? What on earth are you doing on your phone? Multiple simultaneous HD streams or something?
We need to be focusing our bashing energy on the carriers and not Google. They won't even upgrade their backhaul lines to handle the existing HSDPA+ technology let alone LTE. They won't even give us a data cap that will allow us to use our phones to their potential even if we had the speeds that we should have.
Bottom line is that Google didn't put LTE in this phone because LTE is pointless in its current form and is an unnecessary expense. Blame the carriers for that not Google. | |
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| Re: Google got it right Look at the spectrum shuffle. Most Sprint phones w/ Wimax are pretty much dead, because Clear isn't going to sink any more money into that. Sprint is moving their LTE bands around so all of those LTE phones without the basebands will be useless too. TMO is ADDING 1900Mhz so people can use AT&T phones and upgrading to HSPA+ on those.
If you buy any LTE phone, you simply can't unlock it and take it to another carrier today. In the future that will be MVNO, but you can't move it across networks--mvno or not that is network lockin.
This phone does the opposite. People should be cheering about this. The Apple folks keep comparing a $300 phone to a $650 dollar phone, and slam it? I can buy a ford fiesta for $20k and a mercedes for $40k. Do you say that since they are both cars the Fiesta should have the same features? That's ridiculous.
This is the FIRST unlocked, unsubsidized phone of this caliber to be released. Why has the press not cheered about this? Well because their AAPL stock is sinking, they are firing execs like water, and Google is starting to make serious inroads in the highend with midpoint costs. | |
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| | inefficient stupid system 2g, 3g, 4g (lte or hspa+)..too many systems, too many carriers all with proprietary systems and handsets that must be made for their system. All the handsets are subsidized due to this with onerous 10 page contracts then required to cover (more than cover) the cost of the handset subsidy. After 2 years phone is dead so time for a new contract
It should have been done like electricity. All 110 voltage no matter what power co you use and anything can plug into it. Power co does not subsidize toasters made for its unique voltage. Imagine if the power system worked like the phone system
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I have a Google Galaxy Nexus (Nexus 3), and it's kinda cool. Very buggy, I must say, but lots of features, and free Personal Hotspot. At 350$ for device, plus 30$/month for unlimited internet, with 5GB at 4G speeds, is still a steal. No point in having LTE until T-Mobile USA will support it. | |
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I am actually surprised by this, especially since so many people love to put Apple's products under the microscope. Of course, the press won't care because Android phones are a dime a dozen. There are plenty of choices, but having Google themselves release a phone like this is pretty strange. There seems to be a double-standard when it comes to expectations.
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| Re: LOL said by RRedline:If Apple had just released a phone without LTE, even if it was offered as a cheaper alternative to the iPhone 5, there would be a dozen threads on this site filled with people trashing them for it. Some of the loudest critics would be the same people making excuses for Google right now.
I am actually surprised by this, especially since so many people love to put Apple's products under the microscope. Of course, the press won't care because Android phones are a dime a dozen. There are plenty of choices, but having Google themselves release a phone like this is pretty strange. There seems to be a double-standard when it comes to expectations.
"I dropped my iPhone, and now it is scratched. My phone actually SCRATCHES! Apple sucks!"
If Apple released an iPhone(lite) with the same technical specs as the 5 but lacking LTE and retailing for $300 unlocked I think many would be buying an iPhone and not caring one bit.
The difference in criticism comes from the fact that apple products are marketed as halo devices. They are supposed to be the best of the best. Their price tag reflects this standard. It is why they don't offer a line of phones. It is all about the walled garden. This is where you should buy your music/apps/videos. This is how you get them on your device. etc etc.
The nexus line from google is meant to be a technical showpiece of how they envision a certain product. Since the nexus one they have wanted to be able to retail unlocked phones that work on the provider of your choice (unless they are cdma). Even then they were annoyed by the fact that they needed to offer 2 phones. Tmobile/att. Now they have that option. This is a world phone. If they tried to offer LTE it would no longer be a world phone. If all phones did this, we would have more carrier options, better plans, better prices.
They also need to push their services. Google isn't in it to make money on the nexus devices.
As someone who doesn't even have a data plan, I couldn't care less about LTE v HSPA+. Why would I need 50Mbps? $20 gets me 1gb. Fulll stop on LTE and that would be gone in minutes. | |
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| | Article mistake The device only supports HSPA+ speeds up to 42 Mbps, meaning it only really supports two major United States carriers: AT&T and T-Mobile. That's a definite competitive disadvantage for the iPhone 5, though Google's Android lead Andy Rubin ...
Wouldn't that be a definite competitive advantage for the iPhone 5?
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| | No discounted Sammy? Am I the only one who was hoping after this announcements the Galaxy Nexus would drop to like $200 or something to clear out stock? I'm disappointed that it is "no longer available" from Google's site. Unless I want to pay $380 from Amazon (when I can get the 16gb Nexus 4 for $350??? Puh-lease!). Meh...will probably get the 4. Tough to argue with the price.
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| All about the Bay Area and NYC Those areas have good T-Mobile service on HSPA+. This phone was never designed for AT&T, even though it works fine on AT&T 3G. The problem is that it assumes it has a good 3G network, and since AT&T's 3G network has horrendous congestion in NYC and in other spots, you almost need LTE on AT&T now, even though you shouldn't. | |
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