Robert Premium Member join:2001-08-25 Miami, FL |
Robert
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2013-Jun-12 9:14 am
"No, no, we don't want to spy on you.."The problem with letting the government have direct access to your network is, how do you know they aren't spying on you? "No, no, it's not you we want to spy on, it's your customers", sure... | |
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Wait a minuteAren't these guys under court order not to discuss the government's court order from the secrete government court???? | |
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Re: Wait a minutesaid by Corehhi:Aren't these guys under court order not to discuss the government's court order from the secrete government court???? Exactly, how or when do you know anyone is telling the truth when they have been ordered to lie? | |
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sootrue22
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2013-Jun-12 12:30 pm
Re: Wait a minuteExactly -- they are not supposed to tell us the truth, so they don't have to and will never have to tell otherwise.
It's up to all of us to take these "corporate" responses and run them through our internal BS filter -- your gut will give you the answer, the government/corporations will try and sway you the other way.
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ropeguru
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2013-Jun-12 1:52 pm
Re: Wait a minuteSo if they are under orderd to not tell the truth, can we extrapolate that there really is hardware in their data centers? | |
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| garys_2k Premium Member join:2004-05-07 Farmington, MI |
to Corehhi
No, they just can't disclose specific targets. They can discuss the subject in general, like they are doing. | |
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I dont agree with this statement"So Google, who has actually been fighting for more transparency and against NSLs has denied government requests to install more significant monitoring hardware on its network,"
Karl, the quotes you included do not support your editorial here. I never saw them DENY that the governments request it. I saw them say they have been asked to do other things and have declined. I also saw them say they refuse to participate in a program that would require it. Which could very well mean the government calls them every day and ask really nice and tries to throw in free puppies, yet they still decline and refuse to participate. | |
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Re: I dont agree with this statementI think you're misreading my sentence. I'm saying Google has denied requests to install NSA gear. I'm not saying Google is denying that the government made these requests? Is the sentence really that confusing? | |
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seaman
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2013-Jun-12 12:20 pm
Re: I dont agree with this statementsaid by Karl Bode:Is the sentence really that confusing? Nope | |
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to Karl Bode
Obviously I was misreading it and it was confusing me. Thanks for being so kind. | |
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Re: I dont agree with this statementNo problem. I do want to be told when stuff doesn't read well, so thanks. | |
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Dolgan Premium Member join:2005-10-01 Madison, WI
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Dolgan
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2013-Jun-12 11:44 am
Google, meet KettleAs if Google has anything to say that is meaningful considering how much of our data they already retain for "marketing purposes". The ISPs have no right to complain as they are just as guilty when it comes to data mining their customers/users. Nothing but hypocrites trying to cover their own malfeasance. | |
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Re: Google, meet KettleGoogle can "market" your data and make all the money they want, but they can't do one thing the NSA can do, and that is put you in jail. | |
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| morboComplete Your Transaction join:2002-01-22 00000 |
to Dolgan
The difference is consent. Using Google products means you consent to how they will make money off you. You have no choice with the NSA. You can't opt out like you can with Google. | |
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Re: Google, meet KettleActually you can't totally opt-out with Google. Many sites; including BBR and alike use Google for stats and advertising. Which still means they can collect your data. They know how long you stay on here, what pages you click and much more. | |
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morbo
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2013-Jun-13 10:17 am
Re: Google, meet Kettlesaid by TBBroadband:Actually you can't totally opt-out with Google. Many sites; including BBR and alike use Google for stats and advertising. Which still means they can collect your data. They know how long you stay on here, what pages you click and much more. You opt out by using another search and email provider. Aggregate advertising stats are another animal. | |
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Re: Google, meet Kettleeither way you can not opt-out which is the point. | |
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to Dolgan
Google is a private entity only interested in helping you find local singles in your area (lol) and other useful products, not garner information that can be used to make you disappear completely off of the face of the earth forever. | |
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phazah join:2004-05-02 Findlay, OH |
phazah
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2013-Jun-12 11:46 am
lol..nope, there isnt any hardware attached to googles system... the government helped build it... to its part of the system.... | |
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kaila join:2000-10-11 Lincolnshire, IL
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kaila
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2013-Jun-12 12:06 pm
Remember Qwest's former CEO Joseph Nacchio?He refused NSA requests to get access inside then Qwest's network circa 2001. Coincidentally the government decided to cancel some huge contracts with Qwest shortly after. Joe currently is in jail for insider trading, many believe is based on the prior knowledge the government gave him about the contract cancellations if he didn't play the game- » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo ··· _Nacchio | |
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EUSKill cancer Premium Member join:2002-09-10 canada |
EUS
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2013-Jun-12 1:28 pm
Dear GoogleI don't believe you.
P.S. Now that you've buckled to the Gov't's demands, how is being allowed to operate in China working out for you? | |
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P NessYou'Ve Forgotten 9-11 Already Premium Member join:2001-08-29 way way out |
P Ness
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2013-Jun-12 1:54 pm
wow thats scarythey have been asked to install the hardware...
so how many companies have said yes?
guess that little black door room at ATT was FACT...the one that no one believed so long ago | |
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Don't Blame Google
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rradina join:2000-08-08 Chesterfield, MO |
No equpiment on their network...I don't have any equipment on Google's network either but through the miracle of the Internet, my "off-site" equipment gets to request all kinds of services from Google.
I'm not claiming Google is facilitating the NSA but denying NSA hardware is on their "network" (whatever that means) means nothing.
Claiming secure transfer mechanisms are used equally means nothing. While it's nice to know that the NSA uses SSL to spy on us, that only means it's harder for someone else to spy the spy. | |
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Maggs Premium Member join:2002-11-29 Jackson Heights, NY |
Maggs
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2013-Jun-12 7:58 pm
Corporate espionageWho's to say the NSA doesn't hand this data out to US companies as a favor. Never trust government, too much power concentrated in the hands of a few always corrupts people. Just look at what General Motors did to Ralph Nader.... » www.casebriefs.com/blog/ ··· rs-corp/ | |
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Time to use off shore web searcheswww.weblist.ru Looks to be busy.. | |
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