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kudos:12 | Re: Go for it said by KrK:Choices like these are good things. I agree. I'm curious to see if Google will subsidize it, or if it will be sold for full retail? Will American consumers shell out $499 or $599 for a phone at full price?
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Also wondering what platform they go after. Seems AT&T would be the one to get on since they haven't joined the party.
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| Re: Go for it said by gridlocked:Also wondering what platform they go after. Seems AT&T would be the one to get on since they haven't joined the party. At this point, nobody wants to get on the AT&T network except for the iPhone.
You think people go there for the network? Haha!
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| said by gridlocked:Also wondering what platform they go after. Seems AT&T would be the one to get on since they haven't joined the party. The purpose of this phone would be that it was compatible with all carriers. IE you buy your own open phone and can use it with any carrier.
Our carriers hate this as they don't want people to be able to walk from their service to the competition without having to get new phones.
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New York, NY | Re: Go for it said by KrK:The purpose of this phone would be that it was compatible with all carriers. IE you buy your own open phone and can use it with any carrier. Although that would be interesting, there is very little chance that will happen. That would mean the device would need to support all variations of GSM and CDMA which just isnt likely. Also keep in mind that CDMA phones need to be technically "assured" before you can activate them on Verizon or Sprint (sometimes you can get away with it on Sprint). Based on that, all signs point to this basically being an unlocked GSM phone. Still cool, however I doubt it will be the "game changer" some people think.
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| said by emptywig:There is no reason a phone needs to cost $500. They can surely make and sell the phone for half that. wig Please, oh please, elaborate. A smartphone has 90% of the features of a netbook (with more radios - ie bluetooth, umts/gsm, and wifi). Oh, but it's 1/5th the size. How much do you think those parts cost?
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Alexandria, VA | Re: Go for it said by tiger72:Oh, but it's 1/5th the size. How much do you think those parts cost? One fifth the cost? 
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Alexandria, VA | Re: Go for it said by KrK:I don't think the phone needs to cost that much. Chances are $250 is probably closer to the mark, Basis? Besides, unlike European phones, this phone would have to have multiple transmission technologies so that it can work with all of the US cell carriers. That's going to add to the manufacturing cost of the device, especially working out how to wire the thing such that each transmission technology is equally configured for optimal connectivity.
said by KrK:and less if Google subsidizes it's retail price. Unless Google is planning to sell a service on top of it, why would they subsidize the price?
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kudos:12 | Re: Go for it said by SLD:These $500 phones are ridiculous. You can buy a full PC for that price. While I agree, you can't carry a PC in your pocket. 
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Alexandria, VA | Re: Go for it said by Gbcue:said by SLD:These $500 phones are ridiculous. You can buy a full PC for that price. eMachines? LOL. The laptop I'm posting from was $350. Granted, it's a sucktacular Toshiba, but proves you can get a "name brand" for under $500.
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In what is likely to be seen as disruptive to the wireless status quo, Google is working with a smartphone manufacturer to have a Google-branded phone available this year through retailers and not through telcos
Sounds like it'll be another HTC phone with the Google logo instead.
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Valencia, CA | Re: Go for it Hopefully it'll be a GSM/UMTS phone supporting HSPA 850/1900 | |
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| Re: Go for it said by Jim Gurd:I would love to buy a truly open device like that. No need to jailbreak it. They already offer the HTC Dream / ADP1... "truly open", no jailbreaking needed... Just won't get ATT 3g.
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| Re: Explains all their hardware engineer hirings. said by NOCMan:They've had jobs open for all kinds of EE's for various hardware, SOC's etc.. Can not wait to see it. However a true European model would see 40-70 carriers, unlike here where we have only 5 major national providers. Maybe it'll be marketed in Europe as well!
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kudos:8 | A 'TRUE' Google Phone! Finally!
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Alexandria, VA | Re: Am I the only one that gets this "Microsoft" feeling? Hard to say. Certainly has the potential to be that way. Then again, Microsoft put a huge dent into IBMs dominance of computing. It's "the way of things". At least with Google, it might be because of innovation rather than simply marketing?
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You don't already use everything Google?
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Alexandria, VA | said by Desdinova:What does a Google phone bring to the equation that's not already there? Perhaps nothing. In that case, it will only be competing against other unlocked phones rather than phones in general.
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| | Nice The main thing I like about Google is they have money and have no trouble going in and shaking something up. Have to say so far they really haven't screwed many except yahoo but I like the unlocked phone idea. | |
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| | Oh, wonderful. Another industry the Borg has no business in. And when the rest of civilization doesn't do things the "Borg's" way, then they'll all stand around in MTV wringing their collective hands, wondering why.
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| Re: Oh, wonderful. said by Radioman991:Another industry the Borg has no business in. And when the rest of civilization doesn't do things the "Borg's" way, then they'll all stand around in MTV wringing their collective hands, wondering why. Stick to what you do well....SEARCH, and ONLINE ADS. Stop trying to build phones, toasters, water hoses.......... Last I checked, they seem to do a LOT well. And Wall Street agrees.
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| | | | Re: Oh, wonderful. said by tiger72:said by Radioman991:Another industry the Borg has no business in. And when the rest of civilization doesn't do things the "Borg's" way, then they'll all stand around in MTV wringing their collective hands, wondering why. Stick to what you do well....SEARCH, and ONLINE ADS. Stop trying to build phones, toasters, water hoses.......... Last I checked, they seem to do a LOT well. And Wall Street agrees. Everyone has an opinion.
I was part of a company they bought, and completely screwed up...and they wondered WHY the industry they bought into, wouldn't just "conform" because they are Google.
Said company has since been sold off, and with it, a product the Borg crafted, which is inherently unstable enough to make Vista look like a success.
The company's existing products were put "in jail" (a Borg term) because they weren't "written" in code the Borg prefers. Said products were summarily sunset, for their "brilliant" new product. The legacy products have stability, in 24/7 applications, approaching YEARS. The finely crafted "replacement" is lucky to run a week without a crash. | |
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Detroit, MI | Re: Yay The rates do differ on a subsidized phone, I pay half off on the unlimited data plan ($15) for buying an n-series Nokia phone. A completely optional and unrequired feature unlike the subsidized smartphones. I also don't have to renew a 2-year contract on AT&T for doing so. That's at least $360 in savings =) | |
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c) really, really expensive.
I'd love to see some more competition, so RIM thinks twice before having such buggy phones(the storm), but I don't see it going far practically without a way to keep the price low.
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| | Plan rates And since we'll be bringing our own phone to the party, our monthly rates will be lower since the carrier doesn't have to subsidize the cost of the phone.
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kudos:1 | Re: Plan rates Wait til October 25th, and T-Mobile will happily answer that for you. | |
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| Re: Plan rates said by Gbcue:said by JBear:or sign a contract? You already don't have to sign a contract with T-Mobile's FlexPay. Or with EvenMorePlus postpaid, which gives you a discount if you don't get a subsidized phone:
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| | Big fat hairy deal! The way the american market is run is stupid! It's like this... Say I wanted to buy a TV. Okay so I go to the store and there are 200 TV's on display but each one only receives 2 channels. Now I have to decide which channels I want to watch and buy the appropriate TV. If I want to watch other channels then I have to buy a different manufacturer's TV.
Can't Congress see that this is beyond lunacy?
I want to buy the phone I want and then get the plan I want. I think phone manufacturers should just make phones and cell service providers should sell a subscription to use their service. How much more plain and simple could it be?
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| Re: Big fat hairy deal! said by Ioweyou :
The way the american market is run is stupid! It's like this... Say I wanted to buy a TV. Okay so I go to the store and there are 200 TV's on display but each one only receives 2 channels. Now I have to decide which channels I want to watch and buy the appropriate TV. If I want to watch other channels then I have to buy a different manufacturer's TV.
Can't Congress see that this is beyond lunacy?
I want to buy the phone I want and then get the plan I want. I think phone manufacturers should just make phones and cell service providers should sell a subscription to use their service. How much more plain and simple could it be?
You know sometimes I wonder who these idiots are that sit in the conference room at the Wednesday afternoon's managers meeting and make up these cockamamie schemes and rules.
You can already buy unlocked phones and take them to any GSM carrier...
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| | Question I've got an iPhone. Love it. Dislike AT&T immensely. Anyway, here's my question: If I were to buy a "freedom" phone from Google, how would I know which network would have the best signal at my house? I live in kind of a low area with lots of trees around, and AT&T's signal quality sucks big time. But how would I know if Sprint or Verizon or whoever would be any better without actually trying them all? Coverage maps just plain don't give accurate enough coverage info for making a good decision. Do any of these carriers provide a "taster" capability that would allow a person to use their network for a few days to see how it works? If they don't, you're just shooting in the dark when you pick a service provider, hoping that their service will be reliable. What's the best way to pick a service provider for a very specific location??? | |
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| Re: Question said by iphoner :
I've got an iPhone. Love it. Dislike AT&T immensely. Anyway, here's my question: If I were to buy a "freedom" phone from Google, how would I know which network would have the best signal at my house? I live in kind of a low area with lots of trees around, and AT&T's signal quality sucks big time. But how would I know if Sprint or Verizon or whoever would be any better without actually trying them all? Coverage maps just plain don't give accurate enough coverage info for making a good decision. Do any of these carriers provide a "taster" capability that would allow a person to use their network for a few days to see how it works? If they don't, you're just shooting in the dark when you pick a service provider, hoping that their service will be reliable. What's the best way to pick a service provider for a very specific location???
Yes, go to the store and ask for a trial phone. Most corporate stores have them. I know my local T-Mobile store definitely has this service.
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