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| Re: will it be unlocked from Google? work on ATT as well? It will work on alot of networks
"According to the FCC website, the Nexus One is made in Taiwan and supports quad-band GSM/Edge and UMTS/HSDPA networks, as well as tri-band 850/1700/1900 networks."
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1 edit | Re: will it be unlocked from Google? work on ATT as well? said by ISurfTooMuch:I hope that definitely means 850/1700/1900 UMTS. If that's in fact true, then we're golden. I agree. I would definitely check into it. I'm on AT&T and I hate my current phone. It will be interesting to see what Google offers and for how much.
Ugh, I just read that it will be made by HTC. I hate my HTC Fuze. It's incredible slow and clunky. This phone got good reviews and I have no idea why. It literally takes 2-3 seconds for the phone to recognize that you have pressed the button to answer a call. Not acceptable at all.
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| Re: will it be unlocked from Google? work on ATT as well? WinMo tends to run slowly on any given piece of hardware, which with a lighter operating system would run like a dream. I'm not bashing WinMo for the heck of it; that's what my last two main phones have run (HTC Touch Pro, HTC Mogul) but neither phone has been a particular speed demon. That said, the Touch Pro is generally quite responsive (thanks HTC for customizing the thing). | |
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| According to the FCC filing docs, today, the phone will have quad band GSM and tri-band UMTS (900/1700/2100), no AT&T 3G bands.
Apparently Google knows how slow it is and doesn't want to burden it's buyers with a slow 3G AT&T experience.
T-Mobile's robust 3G network should be able to handle this, along with it's other smartphones perfectly.
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kudos:2 | Re: will it be unlocked from Google? work on ATT as well? Hmm, but if it doesn't have 850/1900 3G then it won't work for the handful of smaller GSM carriers in the US that
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| Re: will it be unlocked from Google? work on ATT as well? said by iansltx:Hmm, but if it doesn't have 850/1900 3G then it won't work for the handful of smaller GSM carriers in the US that A) Can/will deploy 3G on 850/1900 B) Don't have 1700 spectrum It won't work for 3G. It'll still work for GPRS and EDGE with the quad-band GSM support.
Yes, they will have to have 1700 spectrum, at least for the US. This phone is 3G capable in Europe as well (due to it's 900 3G radio).
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| Re: will it be unlocked from Google? work on ATT as well? Correction: it'll be 3G capable in Europe due to its 2100 radio. There are an increasing number of 900-band 3G services but most are on 2100.
Also, do you think Google would want their phone users using EDGE all the time? I'd think not, unless the EDGE network is upgraded to the max like AT&T did in some places when the original iPhone came out. Have you used EDGE lately? It sucks rather mightily. | |
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kudos:8 | Re: will it be unlocked from Google? work on ATT as well? I don't have AT&T, so I can't tell you.
I use T-Mobile's robust 3G network. It works everywhere I go.
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| Re: will it be unlocked from Google? work on ATT as well? I'll be getting (on loan) a T-Mobile 3G aircard soon, so I'll be able to see how robust T-Mo's network is in my area.
One thing I can say up front though is they don't cover my hometown in central TX yet. AT&T got there a few months ago. Verizon started service there on 3G a few years ago. Sprint started maybe 3.5 years ago with EvDO. Of the three AT&T is the fastest and might have the best 3G coverage right around town (yay 850MHz) but Sprint to my knowledge has a better overall experience.
T-Mobile maxes out the tech they have deployed in the area. Unfortunately it's 40 kbps GPRS last I checked. | |
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T-Mobile has less 3G coverage in Colorado than AT&T, and they use the 1700MHz band for their 3G, while AT&T is converting their 3G over to the 850MHz band. The lower the frequency the better it will penetrate items that may block higher frequencies. With that being said though, VZW has much better 3G coverage than any other cell provider, but they use the CDMA technology, and have a poor selection of smart phones. With T-Mobile using 1700MHz for their 3G that limits the number of phones that they can use on it due to no one else uses that band. AT&T's 3G though is usually a frequency built into most international phones so I can get one from almost anywhere and it works just fine. T-Mobile's 3G network is not "robust".
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kudos:8 | Re: will it be unlocked from Google? work on ATT as well? Will I ever go to Colorado? Probably never. So do I care about coverage there? Probably not.
T-Mobile's 3G works everywhere I go.
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kudos:5 | Re: will it be unlocked from Google? work on ATT as well? So, you are trying to say that T-Mobile has a "decent 3G network in California?"
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| Re: will it be unlocked from Google? work on ATT as well? Well, according to T-Mobile's coverage map vs AT&T's coverage map its the same story all around CA, including Santa Rosa.
As you can see AT&T's coverage goes all the way up to Healdsburg, where as T-Mo's 3G coverage stops at about Fulton when going North. Going to the ocean via hwy 1 AT&T has 3G coverage there as well, where T-Mo has Edge only. If your happy w/ T-Mo, then I applaud you because I wouldn't be happy with them. Out of the big 4 cell providers they have the smallest 3G network, not like AT&T is that much better though, they have the 3rd smallest 3G network.
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| Re: will it be unlocked from Google? work on ATT as well? said by Cjaiceman:Well, according to T-Mobile's coverage map vs AT&T's coverage map its the same story all around CA, including Santa Rosa. As you can see AT&T's coverage goes all the way up to Healdsburg, where as T-Mo's 3G coverage stops at about Fulton when going North. Going to the ocean via hwy 1 AT&T has 3G coverage there as well, where T-Mo has Edge only. If your happy w/ T-Mo, then I applaud you because I wouldn't be happy with them. Out of the big 4 cell providers they have the smallest 3G network, not like AT&T is that much better though, they have the 3rd smallest 3G network. /thread AT&T vs T-Mo 3G I've been to Healdsburg twice in my entire life, twice for work purposes, where I can't take personal breaks. I don't care about Healdsburg...
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1 edit | Re: will it be unlocked from Google? work on ATT as well? said by broccoli:I wonder why no vendor has come up with a quad-band 3G phone yet. 850/900/1700/1900/2100
It would have to be a penta-band 3G radio.
Combine that with the quad-band GSM, WiFi, BT, and GPS and you'll have a 12-band phone!
See Engadget's debrief of the FCC filings:
»www.engadget.com/2009/12/14/htc-···t-huspa/
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| Wow Wow, this is actually big news. I wondered why T-Mobile came out pushing those no-contract plans so hard last month - I guess now we know.
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I'm a very happy Sprint customer and I will most likely purchase this phone unless they decide to release it as GSM only. If that ends up being the case I'll just stick with my Hero until something faster comes along which has a CDMA radio.
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| A better and more honest breakdown of the costs The main problem with carrier subsidized phones is the blurring of the actual costs.
They basically wrap the extra cost into the monthly bill, but keep on charging for it forever, even once the 1-2 years have passed, unless we jump on another subsidized phone. I had my last phone for much longer than that, but never got a break in monthly rate.
While we get a clear breakdown of all the junk fees on the bill, the actual cost for the subsidized phone is never shown, while it is of course clearly rolled into the monthly bill.
For better transparency, I would prefer a contract that does not contain any phone subsidies. If done honestly, it should be significantly less.
Phone subsidies could be replaced with a easy loan, that, if paid off over the contract time, would increase the monthly bill to what we have now, so the bottom line is exactly the same until the phone is paid off. We would be free to pay cash, get a phone loan from our preferred financial institution, or directly from the phone vendor.
ETFs can still be retained, but should not depend on the presence or absence of a subsidised phone. A longer contract would simply offer a certain additional incentive or rate guarantee.
People who constantly upgrade the the newest and greatest would also be better off, because there will be a thriving market for used phones (ebay, craigslist, etc.). Currently, everybody gets a new phone with a new contract, also indirectly contributing to e-waste. | |
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| That's precisely what T-Mobile's doing.
For their 2-year contract plans, you pay more, because a phone is subsidized.
With their non-subsidized plans, you pay less per month, but you can also pay for your un-subsidized phone with a 0% interest loan over 20 months (provided you have good credit).
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I brought up that there is no such thing as a "phone subsidy," and got a bunch of drivel as responses. I guess the truth was too much to hear, or people are just so financially illiterate.
'»Analyst: Apple Will Stick With AT&T Exclusivity'
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Not to pick on you guys specifically, but it always annoys me when I read: subsidy.
There's no such thing as a carrier subsidy.
A subsidy implies you're getting something for free. No wireless carrier is doing that. What they're providing you is financing.
When you get a loan to buy a car or a mortgage to buy a home, that's financing. The lender isn't giving you something for free. Quite the contrary, you're paying them back and then some (a lot in fact).
Proper lending is (sort of) regulated, there's legislation and regulations dealing with all that. The terms need to be spelled out. They required to provide you with critical info like: principle (amt borrowed), interest rate, total interest payments over life of loan, etc.
But unlike traditional loans, wireless contracts aren't like that. There's opacity and subterfuge as far as the eye can see. The wireless carriers want it like that so they can bundle the financing costs with the cost of service, and you don't know the difference.
If people understood that $20-30 of their monthly fees paid for their phone, and the effective interest on it is really 10-30%, they'd see it for what it really is:
A scam.
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The reason "subsidy" is used is because, for all practical purposes, the phone is heavily discounted, or free, since the cost of service is no different for a phone purchased outright. Until I am offered a significantly discounted service plan with the features I want by bringing my own phone to the game, the cost of the phones are mostly considered to be subsidized.
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This also works in favor of the carrier because you don't know how much of your contract is for service and how much is for the the handset.
That's the whole problem.
There's no incentive for buying your own phone outright in the U.S. Wireless carriers bundle the cost of service together with the cost of the phone. This hides the true costs.
To add insult to injury, people think they're getting a good deal under this system. A "subsidy," despite it being completely illusionary.
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Subsidy doesn't imply that you're getting something for free.
It means the cost is subsidized by other means, which can include free, but it doesn't.
So when you buy a car, and the dealer provides you with a car loan from the automaker's financial division (i.e. vendor financing), the dealer is giving you a "subsidy?"
If you guys believe that, it explains our nation's financial illiteracy.
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The difference you pay for the phone is subsidized by the 1 or 2 years you agree to be a contracted customer of the carrier.
Once again, that's a loan. A contract in which you're provided something up front, and then a series of payments are obligated, is a loan.
I'd like to emphasize, I'm not against the concept of financing at all. It provides capital, so people and businesses can make purchases that few could afford to make all up-front.
I'm against shady lending though, which is what wireless carriers are essentially doing. They're hiding the terms of the loan they're making, they're hiding the effective interest rate, hell they're even hiding the fact that a loan was even provided. They're playing a game of hiding the ball.
The cost of the financing and the cost of service should be broken out separately, and detailed. Only then can people make informed decisions.
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If you want an unsubsidized phone, they are available. So no one is getting screwed that isn't choosing to get screwed because of their finances
So you pay lower fee for service when you bring your own phone purchased outright?
No.
There's no incentive to do that, because you'd be getting screwed. By paying a service fee that included financing for a loan you didn't receive.
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| Re: AT&T 3G said by SteveLV702:I just hope that it works with AT&T's 3G as I currently have the Google Dev 1 Phone which is unlocked but only works with TMobiles 3G network and so when on AT&T only uses the much slower Edge.. According to FCC filings, it will not work on AT&T's 3G nOtwork.
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T-Mobile totally deserves this phone. They provide killer new style rate plans and are heading in the direction that carriers should be going in. Meanwhile, the bigger monopolistic carriers are finding more and more ways to gauge us for more money and more restirctions.
T-Mobile may not have coveage at the Moon or on polar extemities of Mars, but frankly I never go there so I don't care.
I was holding off going to them until they get a 3G capable iPhone on their network but this new phone might speed up my decision to port over much much sooner.
I use them for work already so I know their 3G network works in all the places I need it to.
Verizon's locked down phone model, high monthly fees and new $350 ETF makes me want to vomit. I used to work for them but their business practices makes me sick.
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Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:58 AM
At Google, we are constantly experimenting with new products and technologies, and often ask employees to test these products for quick feedback and suggestions for improvements in a process we call dogfooding (from "eating your own dogfood"). Well this holiday season, we are taking dogfooding to a new level.
We recently came up with the concept of a mobile lab, which is a device that combines innovative hardware from a partner with software that runs on Android to experiment with new mobile features and capabilities, and we shared this device with Google employees across the globe. This means they get to test out a new technology and help improve it.
Unfortunately, because dogfooding is a process exclusively for Google employees, we cannot share specific product details. We hope to share more after our dogfood diet.
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