said by ptrowski :

I am glad they are doing it. While the Google Voice page works, the actual application is much easier.

said by Devanchya :

Google will get what it wants.

said by ndcart :

I really doubt it. Yeah, it would be nice, but that's the way it goes. I know of no one personally that really cared in the first place.

said by Matt :

Hello, nice to meet you.

I really like the novelty of my iPhone, but all this application restricting is starting to make me look seriously at a BlackBerry again. Hopefully by the time my contract is up they'll have one with a nice screen.

said by k1ll3rdr4g0n :

*cough* Windows Mobile or Android *cough* Was I subtle enough?

said by matrix3D :

Agreed. Windows Mobile is the biggest pile of crap I've ever used. I had two Windows Mobile phones before I switched to the iPhone and I would have to reboot them AT LEAST 3-4 times a day due to a crash or a lockup. I can go weeks or even a month or longer without ever having to restart my iPhone. Not to mention the fact that AT&T coverage for me here across Connecticut is WAYYYY better than Verizon's coverage. I'll be sticking with the iPhone for now -- Apple will eventually grow a pair and tell AT&T to shut up about this stuff, IMO.

said by ptrowski :

Cough cough, using in on the iPhone so there is no need. thanks though, it is appreciated.

How come Windows Mobile doesn't show up in the list?

»www.google.com/mobile/products/v···=default

said by ptrowski :

No complaints here. I already had Apple replace one phone under warranty.
But again, Windows wasn't on that list. So you point wasn't made. Thanks though.

said by clickie :

Apple is the first handset to be release in the past 10 years that hasn't had the manufacturer's software replaced or modified to the liking of the carrier.

said by clickie :

Aside...aside...aside. That is exactly my point, although I did a poor job of enumerating it. Apple is no saint, and the 3.0 software is crippled. But what I had intended on saying is that it isn't an outright replacement of the phone OS with something that displays a big red V and moves menu buttons around to increase the probability of hitting the data service to incur a $2 data charge for 31kb of data.

Likewise for disabling Bluetooth, disabling file transfer of photos. However, despite its faults, the iPhone is a very big first step in the right direction of getting the carrier's sticky fingers out of the phones.

said by rradina :

Re: Monopoly...how is what Apple is doing different from what Microsoft did when the FTC slapped it with regulation?

said by clickie :

The author comes short of calling Apple a monopoly by using the word "monopolistic". Still, this is a flawed premise because there are literally thousands of competing products for its music player and phone business. Locking in customers because *they* enjoy using your product is not monopolistic. Certainly, Apple *does* exclude rivals from its product line and supporting businesses; why the hell shouldn't it? Microsoft doesn't include iTunes support as part of its Zune package.

The Zune is, in many ways, more compelling than the iPod but fails in key areas. Namely, Microsoft falls down in being able to successfully market it as a lifestyle device. Despite the products merits, it wounded compelling features and failed to duplicate the iTunes experience.

"Apple will face a user revolt in the coming years based upon Microsoft, Google and other yet-to-be-formed companies, undercutting their core markets with cheap, stable and open devices."

Doubtful. There are forces beyond Apple and AT&T that do not want open devices. Namely, the entertainment industry. Apple has the option of telling Hollywood to go **ck themselves, or they can appease the entertainment people and get them aboard to assure that the customer has a nice experience as well as a Disneyland like method of spending more money.

As it pertains to the telecommunications industry, sure, go ahead and put Apple up against the wall. Then, line up Motorola, Nokia and LG for playing the same game along with the cell providers themselves. Apple is the first handset to be release in the past 10 years that hasn't had the manufacturer's software replaced or modified to the liking of the carrier.

Certainly, Apple is no saint. Their application approval process is as political as they come, and not very friendly to the people who make the iPhone such an attractive handset. And I do not agree with how the iPhone has limitations upon the use of 3G with respect to certain applications. But the fall-out isn't going to have people throwing their iPhones on Ebay and defecting. It may or may not affect future purchases, but I really doubt it.

The iPhone is three years old and probably is no longer the least restricted smartphone on the market. But it was the first to push a carrier into chilling the hell out and letting the customer do what they want. I agree, still a ways to go, but all of this is probably going to amount to bumpkis defections away from the iPhone nor other Apple products.

Well, with the exception of Apple TV. That thing sucks.

said by huhh :

That is one person's opinion, not the masses. Your post should read "This is why the flocks are leaving Microsoft & the PC market."

said by TKJunkMail :

And that is more and more people leaving the Apple cult

said by easonin :

Has anyone used the GV mobile app available from cydia? i have it, but have yet to use it.

said by SyNiSt3r :

Off topic but how hard is it to jailbreak and use cydia?

said by SyNiSt3r :

Off topic but how hard is it to jailbreak and use cydia?

said by Matt :

Hello, nice to meet you.

I really like the novelty of my iPhone, but all this application restricting is starting to make me look seriously at a BlackBerry again. Hopefully by the time my contract is up they'll have one with a nice screen.

said by FLengineer :

I have the G1, rooted and running Cyan 3.9.7 but that isn't required to install and run GV on the G1. In fact it integrates so perfectly that if you choose to do so you use you phone like normal and the only difference is an extra 5 secs to make a call. Dial from the native contact list and never open the GV app.

Love the G1