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Google Unveils New Nexus 7 Tablet, Nexus Q
In Addition to Latest Version of Android OS
by Karl Bode 09:13AM Thursday Jun 28 2012
At their I/O Developers Conference yesterday Google unveiled a flurry of new products and devices, including the latest version of the Android OS: code named Jelly Bean. The Android Developers blog highlights a lot of the changes, which include (of note to our particular readership) a new API that provides the ability to detect metered networks, including tethering to a mobile hotspot. Also unveiled today were a flurry of new devices, ranging from the Asus-built Nexus 7 tablet (shipping mid-July for $200) and the spherical audio and video home streaming device the Nexus Q ($300). The company also gave a little more detail on their $1,500 augmented reality "Glass" project, going so far as to have some users jump out of a plane to demonstrate the glasses in action.

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Nexus 7 leaps past Kindle Fire - for now

Google joins the content battle against Amazon with its Nexus 7. And the camera and mic on the 7 will allow video conferencing where the Fire can not compete. But Amazon is rumored to soon be coming with a Kindle Fire 2. Will the Fire rejoin the battle at the $200 price point?

And the Q will battle the Apple TV box for sending content to the TV. The interesting point with the Q is that it will cost 3X as much as Apple's box and has less add-on content providers. The hook here is that the Q will be manufactured in the US instead of China, thereby justifying the higher price. Will the marketing pitch of "Made in the USA" get people to pay 3X as much for a box with lesser abilities?
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Re: Nexus 7 leaps past Kindle Fire - for now

Hmmm, price is right, but RAM seems too low to me. I have a Android 2.3 phone with 512MB RAM and dual core 1ghz processor, and it is slow compared to a cheap 7" Android 2.3 tablet with 1Ghz single core processor w 1GB RAM...

I've got a single core 1Ghz Android 4 tablet with 1GB RAM and is a bit slow... I just don't know if the quad core will make the difference or if it really is needing more RAM for Android 4.x ...
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the biggest killer for me is the exclusion of a micro sd card.

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said by o2cool8:

the biggest killer for me is the exclusion of a micro sd card.

See I would have like to see that, but users just dont get it that external SD, two cameras, 2gb of RAM and 64gb of internal... and every add-on in history is not the point for a 200 dollar tablet.

This thing is designed to push Android of the last release forward. That is it. It is for light use and if we learned anything from the iPad or Fire is that not having external SD does not impact sales.
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Re: Nexus 7 leaps past Kindle Fire - for now

No micro sd slot does limit the sell to people like me. How much does it cost to include a micro sd slot? $10, $25, $50? How about a $250 version with 8gb and a sd slot?

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I agree about the SD card. I was getting my credit card out yesterday, but stopped when I saw that.
Obivously it is an apple-esk move (Asus is not immune) to protect the market for the 16GB and higher memory models
but flash is so cheap the easily could have started with a 32GB model for no SD OR the 4GB with sd and let you bring your own. I'm sure if everything tests out as reviewed, it would have record sales.
Maybe by version 2 they'll learn.

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said by tshirt:

I agree about the SD card. I was getting my credit card out yesterday, but stopped when I saw that.
Obivously it is an apple-esk move (Asus is not immune) to protect the market for the 16GB and higher memory models
but flash is so cheap the easily could have started with a 32GB model for no SD OR the 4GB with sd and let you bring your own. I'm sure if everything tests out as reviewed, it would have record sales.
Maybe by version 2 they'll learn.

I think you are missing the point.

They did not include it because it would be one more thing to support.

I wish they did, but this is the basic google environment. There are plenty of 400 dollar tablets that have SD and more space, this thing is supposed to move forward to the google drive and not be so much about internal storage.

In the future we will laugh about internal storage because we will be so connected to various cloud services.

Being that music, news, docs, and if you want to pay for it, movies, are all online, that does not leave much need for internal storage.

This is a different way of thinking. I understand why it puts people off, but this is a consumer product and people on this and most other tech sites are a bit more advanced, they do a bit more. To watch movies, listen to music, youtube and read news, this thing should be perfect.
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Re: Nexus 7 leaps past Kindle Fire - for now

said by chlen:

said by tshirt:

I agree about the SD card. I was getting my credit card out yesterday, but stopped when I saw that.
Obivously it is an apple-esk move (Asus is not immune) to protect the market for the 16GB and higher memory models
but flash is so cheap the easily could have started with a 32GB model for no SD OR the 4GB with sd and let you bring your own. I'm sure if everything tests out as reviewed, it would have record sales.
Maybe by version 2 they'll learn.

I think you are missing the point.

They did not include it because it would be one more thing to support.

I wish they did, but this is the basic google environment. There are plenty of 400 dollar tablets that have SD and more space, this thing is supposed to move forward to the google drive and not be so much about internal storage.

In the future we will laugh about internal storage because we will be so connected to various cloud services.

Being that music, news, docs, and if you want to pay for it, movies, are all online, that does not leave much need for internal storage.

This is a different way of thinking. I understand why it puts people off, but this is a consumer product and people on this and most other tech sites are a bit more advanced, they do a bit more. To watch movies, listen to music, youtube and read news, this thing should be perfect.

More like they didn't include it to push you into their cloud service. Not everyone (me) wants to use the 'cloud' for storing their movies/music/etc...

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said by Lark3po:

Not everyone (me) wants to use the 'cloud' for storing their movies/music/etc...

Exactly, it was pointed out in most reviews/previews that the advantage of the tegra core and jellybean was to do more processing and storage locally to cut the lag that has made cloud based devices...SUCK!
I accept it's a dumb terminal but this has a shot at not being a really slow dumb terminal for $200, something the fire should have been, but the harewardand software weren't there then, the potenial is there now.

Now to wait for the hacking sites to open one up a see if the flash is an easy upgrade, or the USB can be used for storage.

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said by Lark3po:

More like they didn't include it to push you into their cloud service. Not everyone (me) wants to use the 'cloud' for storing their movies/music/etc...

Then you do get the point. This tablet is not for you, and it isn't supposed to be. The good thing about Android over iOS is that there are a lot of different implementations for different people with different wants/needs. What you want is not a $200 Nexus 7, and they didn't want to build it for you.
I think it is silly to try to build one device that is supposed to fit all the needs of all the people.
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I don't mind some cloud storage (even if goole peeks) what I want is offline functionality, and secure semi-private (I know goole will peek, I just don't need/want every moment publised.
My problem with any of these functional hardwares at reasonable prices is they see their primary function as to "help" you shop.
I don't need their help, and I don't see MY primary function as a shopper, I shop and spend when I NEED something, not because they NEED me to buy.

if this is just a catalog and order tool it should be FREE.

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said by Maxo:

said by Lark3po:

More like they didn't include it to push you into their cloud service. Not everyone (me) wants to use the 'cloud' for storing their movies/music/etc...

Then you do get the point. This tablet is not for you, and it isn't supposed to be. The good thing about Android over iOS is that there are a lot of different implementations for different people with different wants/needs. What you want is not a $200 Nexus 7, and they didn't want to build it for you.
I think it is silly to try to build one device that is supposed to fit all the needs of all the people.

Agreed, this is not for me (as an everyday device) and I think a lot of other people agree with me (in regards of the missing expanded memory card slot).

I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with this device other than for ME personally I'd rather not be locked down to one or the other memory capacities... But then, this would probably work just fine for what I personally would use it for (remote control using the R2 app for my Crestron system). My Xoom already has the SD card memory slot (plus a few extra inches of real state) and handles this function nicely so I see no need to purchase a smaller-less-featured device.

Youn see not everyone has the same/set goal when purchasing an android/ios device so don't "think it's silly" when people pass because it doesn't fit their needs...

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lol that will 'learn' me not to reply with a baby in my lap... :P
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said by o2cool8:

the biggest killer for me is the exclusion of a micro sd card.

Me too, almost bought one until finding that out. They should've just done an 8GB version with sd slot rather than 2 versions. Also not thrilled about the thick bezel. Frame is much larger than it needs to be. I do like that it can be charged wtih micro USB, the Sammy 7" requires a proprietary Sammy cable.

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How much space do you really need? 16GB will hold a good amount of music or several hours of HD x264 video. And you can easily use a cloud service to swap out your files when you are in reach of a WiFi signal, which is rather common. 16GB is plenty.
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When we set the upper limit of PC-DOS at 640K, we thought nobody would ever need that much memory. — William Gates, chairman of Microsoft

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True, but think of the life span of the tablet. Who is really going to be using it several years from now when you might actually need higher storage? Hardly anybody, because they will have bought a new tablet by that time.

Just going from your thinking here shouldn't all tablets/phones/computers only come with infinite storage solutions then? After all, at some point in the future even 1 million Exabytes might not be enough.

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said by elefante72:

When we set the upper limit of PC-DOS at 640K, we thought nobody would ever need that much memory. — William Gates, chairman of Microsoft

That's a straw man's argument. Nobody is arguing 16GB will be fine forever. In today's world, where this tablet is relevant, 16GB is beyond good for the vast majority of the population.

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I bit.

I went out and bought the 7 after it was announced. I'm not into tablets, but at 250 for a 16gb with such specs it will be better to bring onto planes instead of a laptop.

The normal e-ink kindle will still be there for bedside reading, but with android I can watch bootleg movies and I dont need to pay for wireless network or anything extra.

No stupid camera on the back, just the one I need to lay on the couch and skype. This was a smart move to keep costs down.

I think if this thing is relatively bug free it will be a hit. Access to Android market and strong hardware should be a good combo. If it can really do 8 hours of battery it will be a plus.

It is obviously smaller then the iPad which I wish had a 7 inch size, because for me it is slightly more convenient.
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I've never had a tablet and never been very interested in them but I think I will go for this one. However, Google keeps declining my credit card even though everything looks to be fine with my information and on my bank's end.
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said by alg:

I've never had a tablet and never been very interested in them but I think I will go for this one. However, Google keeps declining my credit card even though everything looks to be fine with my information and on my bank's end.

I had the same problem, paid with AMEX. They declined, immediately called me to make sure it not fraud. I confirmed it was not, hit the try again button on google and it went. This is very common for google site.
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Thanks. The first time that I tried to pay I didn't realize that my CC's billing info on file was still for my old college apartment so I thought maybe the system was tripping out on me changing addresses. It seems a bit overzealous to treat Google purchases as suspicious until confirmed otherwise.

Anyway, as I was typing this up I got a call from Chase's automated fraud department and got the hold cleared and the order placed.
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said by alg:

I've never had a tablet and never been very interested in them but I think I will go for this one. However, Google keeps declining my credit card even though everything looks to be fine with my information and on my bank's end.

Mostly the same boat here. I've tried the Samsung's at Best Buy and liked them mostly, but I never really saw where one fit in with all the existing hardware we have around the house; laptop, 2 3DSes, 1 DS, ChromeBook.
I went ahead and picked up the 16GB for my wife. I'm still waiting for something more appealing for myself, but this thing should be great for my wife.
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Tempting

I am really tempted to get a Nexus 7 but I can't find anywhere on the specs if it has a micro SD card slot. It would be stupid not to have one, but who knows ?
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Re: Tempting

If you log on Google Play and search for Nexus 7 Guidebook, you'll find a free download that presumably contains a walk-through for the Nexus 7's features.

Problem is that Google Play requires credit card registration even to download FREE stuff. Personally, having to register credit card information just to access product information to decide whether or not I want to purchase a product is a considerable turn-off.

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said by InvalidError:

If you log on Google Play and search for Nexus 7 Guidebook, you'll find a free download that presumably contains a walk-through for the Nexus 7's features.

Problem is that Google Play requires credit card registration even to download FREE stuff. Personally, having to register credit card information just to access product information to decide whether or not I want to purchase a product is a considerable turn-off.

I agree,

however you basically need to do the same thing on iTunes and Amazon platform. It is to make you buy more and make the one click transactions seem seamless. This tablet is to be used with the google store (Playstore) in the same way Kindle Fire does it (and the Nook).

given that reasoning, it is almost a necessity.
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Re: Tempting

said by chlen:

given that reasoning, it is almost a necessity.

I know that was their gimmick.

Gotta love disregard for people who want to protect their credit card from theft/fraud by only providing credit card details on a transaction-by-transaction (check-out) basis rather than have some third-parties keep credit card numbers on records between visits/purchases.

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Re: Tempting

said by InvalidError:

said by chlen:

given that reasoning, it is almost a necessity.

I know that was their gimmick.

Gotta love disregard for people who want to protect their credit card from theft/fraud by only providing credit card details on a transaction-by-transaction (check-out) basis rather than have some third-parties keep credit card numbers on records between visits/purchases.

Realistically, speaking as a security expert, it doesn't really matter.
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said by InvalidError:

Problem is that Google Play requires credit card registration even to download FREE stuff. Personally, having to register credit card information just to access product information to decide whether or not I want to purchase a product is a considerable turn-off.

Click here. Then click on the big sample button. Read.

Was that really that difficult?
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When they introduce 10 inch model

I will be interested.

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