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(old news - 02:03PM Tuesday May 05 2009)
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Instead of competing, Time Warner Cable is pushing for legislation that would cripple community broadband efforts in North Carolina. According to city officials, the new law, crafted by lobbyists, would bog the city's FTTH service down in restrictions and prohibit them from using broadband stimulus funds. Restrictions that wouldn't apply to regional incumbents Time Warner Cable and Embarq.

With a vote on Time Warner Cable's law set for tomorrow morning, a number of large corporations, including Google, Alcatel-Lucent and Intel have stepped forward to oppose the bill. The companies argue that the bill harms both the public and private sectors, by limiting regional connectivity, small business growth, and the development of bandwidth-dependent services. From the letter:
...the so-called “Level Playing Field Act.” HB1252 is “level” only in the sense that it will harm both the public and private sectors. It will thwart public broadband initiatives, stifle economic growth, prevent the creation or retention of thousands of jobs, and diminish quality of life in North Carolina. . . North Carolina should be lowering barriers to public broadband initiatives rather than establishing new ones
This is the second time Time Warner Cable lobbyists have pushed for a municipal broadband ban in this state, where several cities now offer symmetrical fiber to the home service that's superior to Time Warner Cable service. The recent backlash against their efforts to impose metered billing on customers brought added attention to this new effort, but it's not clear if it's enough to prevent the bill from being passed. Such bills have been passed in more than a dozen states over the last decade under the pretense of "protecting consumers."

Indyweek profiles one of the sponsors of the bill, Democratic North Carolina Rep Ty Harrell. Harrell seems strangely surprised by the negative public reaction to the bill. He admits he had no knowledge of the 2007 debate, and seems similarly unaware of the negative aspects of his own legislation. In other words, Harrell appears to have been little more than a rubber stamp on a bill crafted solely to protect Time Warner Cable revenues.

The bill will be voted on tomorrow morning at 10 AM EST in room 1228 of the legislative building on Jones Street in Raleigh. Local concerned Carolina residents are encouraged to attend.

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"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Ayn Rand

A government run telecommunication system would qualify as interference in the economy.
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Although Ayn forgets to say that sometimes those who gain the unearned benefit are the citizen consumers...

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said by nc3090 :


A government run telecommunication system would qualify as interference in the economy.
It would also qualify as a interference in the economy if the government passed the bill and thereby affected local businesses and startups who need more then TWC provides.

So in this context your Rand quote is useless and wrong.

That and the fact that quoting Ayn Rand in general is idiotic unless your just trying to prove you agree with that line of extremist thought about business/government.

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said by Qumahlin See Profile :

That and the fact that quoting Ayn Rand in general is idiotic unless your just trying to prove you agree with that line of extremist thought about business/government.
Exactly. Even Ayn Rand didn't agree with her own rhetoric. She didn't call for abandonment of zoning laws and building codes ("interference" of otherwise free-market economies) because she personally benefited from them.

Heck, she even opposed the creation of the Libertarian Party. Why? She knew that taking her rhetoric to its logical conclusion would prove it to be absurd. She preferred it remain a faction within the Republican party, where it could play both sides of the fence (hyperbole to criticize moderate Rs, but never actually taken seriously).

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said by nc3090 :

A government run telecommunication system would qualify as interference in the economy.
A TWC bill that would in effect grant only incumbents an inherent monopoly and a "You can't have it until we do it" broadband solution would also qualify as interference in the economy.

You could also claim that having public schools is interfering with the economy because otherwise private schools would handle education.
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said by KrK See Profile :

said by nc3090 :

A government run telecommunication system would qualify as interference in the economy.
A TWC bill that would in effect grant only incumbents an inherent monopoly and a "You can't have it until we do it" broadband solution would also qualify as interference in the economy.

You could also claim that having public schools is interfering with the economy because otherwise private schools would handle education.
Bah, I agree! TWC should put up or shut up. If they can't/won't offer the service that these muni setups can and do well from the look of it and the voters and things that wanted this setup and got it going, incumbents like TWC and others have no business butting in and trying to stop it.

I'll be cheering on Google and others in opposing this. TWC deserves to get stomped for crafting crap like this that would give them an unfair advantage.

If companies like them put all the time and money they spent on bogus crap like this, back into the network, the "playing field" would be level and competitive. (At least speed wise.)

It'll be interesting to see what happens and how this goes.

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Don't forget private hospitals vs. county run.
I have to pay for both (taxes/medical/medicade/medicare cost me ~ thousands/year, and I'm forced to purchase private insurance which also costs me thousands/year - but I'm techically not allowed to use county because I have an address/SSN).

nc3090

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said by KrK See Profile :

said by nc3090 :

A government run telecommunication system would qualify as interference in the economy.
A TWC bill that would in effect grant only incumbents an inherent monopoly and a "You can't have it until we do it" broadband solution would also qualify as interference in the economy.

You could also claim that having public schools is interfering with the economy because otherwise private schools would handle education.
I do happen to claim that government schools are interfering with the economy. More than that they appear to have indoctrinated a nice little mob to pat each other on the back for robbing their neighbor.
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And I would take that unearned benefit for the consumer over the unearned benefit for the corporation any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

If the people that this network will benefit have agreed and OK'd it being built, then the local incumbents and the elected politicians have no business trying to prevent it.

You can pull out all the government vs. private crap all you want, but at the end of the day it is the consumers and the voters that *should* get the final word.

Companies that don't like the playing field can just go away. They had their chance to serve them and elected not to. Let's not forget that.
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They do get serviced by cable services. The entire city does.

Cities should use their money more wisely instead of trying to become a business and compete.
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I agree, but I hope TW looses.
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said by nc3090 :

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Ayn Rand

A government run telecommunication system would qualify as interference in the economy.
You make that statement as if unfettered capitalism is some sort of goal we must strive to attain at all costs. It isn't. Every single nation has a slightly different mix of market and state economic policies, often determined, at least in democratic societies, by what type of economy the electorate is comfortable with. And these economic models are never static, changing as conditions and voter preferences change.

My point is that, if the residents of Wilson, NC want muni-fiber, what right does TWC have to complain? There is no God-given right to make a profit. It all depends on what the electorate deem to be in their best interest.
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maybe the incumbents should offer progressive services at competitive prices so they dont have to worry about muni-fiber.

remember the city has to buy bandwidth and maintain the wires too if they setup the network just as TWC has to buy bandwidth and maintain its network.
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I guess Ayn would want all roads to be privately owned toll roads and all water/sewer systems to be privately owned so that consumers can be bled dry.

In the days of dial-up internet service prices declined and service quality and speed increased. Why? Because of competition.

Time Warner and the local Telephone Companies have no competition. Select the company you want to overcharge you for service.

Municipal Broadband is the only way to give the consumer a choice.

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said by Mr Matt See Profile :

I guess Ayn would want all roads to be privately owned toll roads and all water/sewer systems to be privately owned so that consumers can be bled dry.
Um, I freely (and proudly) admit that when it comes to Ayn Rand, I don't know a damn thing.

What I do know is that Time Warner is full of crap. They (and others) had ample opportunity to provide the service these people wanted and prevent someone else from moving in on their territory. They did nothing, leaving consumers to languish until they decided to do it for themselves. Now a competing network is in place delivering a product they have no hope of beating on quality or price. Now they are trying a different tactic: legislation.

But I have a special hatred reserved for this bill's sponsor, Rep. Ty Harrell. This man was elected to serve the people of his district. As a representative he is an absolute failure. The only way you don't understand legislation you are sponsoring is if you didn't write it, didn't research it or are only supporting it as a favor to an interested party. I'm not suggesting one has to be an expert on every subject that comes across your desk. Given the volume and breadth of issues you would encounter in that position, a lack of expertise in a given subject is understandable. But how do you argue in support of a bill when you can't even explain why it deserves an affirmative vote? Freely admitting you don't understand a bill you are standing up for is a breach of trust between you and your constituency. You betray your vow to serve the public good when you can't explain why a law would be in the public's best interest.

What ever happened to competence? What happened to accountability? What ever happened to research? Is it so hard to spend a little time researching a subject before deciding to vote yea or nea? There are a number of ways for someone in his position to educate himself on an issue, and if those methods fail there's always Google. Rep. Harrell has shown that his office is available to anyone who can make the appropriate donation to his re-election campaign. In that regard he is no better than ex-Illinois Gov.Rod Blagojevich and he should share a similar fate.

I'd love for some reporter to take this story and run with it, maybe look into the financials. I'd like to see Rep. Harrell's and others bad habits brought to the light of day for all to see.

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said by vzw emp :

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I guess Ayn would want all roads to be privately owned toll roads and all water/sewer systems to be privately owned so that consumers can be bled dry.
Um, I freely (and proudly) admit that when it comes to Ayn Rand, I don't know a damn thing.
Ayn Rand extolled a belief system called "Objectivism," which hard-core Right Wingers claim to be the basis of Conservativism. And, Libertarians (founded in the early '70s by largely disaffected hard-core Right Wingers) claim as the basis of their political party.

The basic principle of Ayn Rand's belief is the "non-coercion" principle. In all matters there should be consent among individuals. That a group (society) can't validate the use of coercive force just because a majority take a vote to approve it.

Therefore, the OP's premise is that unless 100% of current (and future) residents consent to a government-run infrastructure or service (like police, fire, trash, sewer, water, library, fairgrounds, etc.) then it is "coercion."

Taking their belief system to its logical conclusion, there would be no "social contract." Every individual, on every day would be allowed to opt-out of things like national defense, air quality, animal welfare, food- and drug-quality regulation.

The real kicker is that they equate these macro issues to three thugs taking a "vote" to relieve you of your wallet in a dark alley. I.e., "forcing" people to pay for clean drinking water (when they might settle for dirtier water on a "free market" where they could "choose") has the same moral objection as a thug shoving a .38 into your ribs and taking your wallet.

This is why the Libertarian Party garners the same fractions of support today that it did 25 years ago. And, why we continue to see hard-core Right Wingers use absolutist rhetoric to criticize moderate Republicans, as the hard-core continues to slide into irrelevancy.

It sounds good. Everyone gets goose bumply when a complex world can be reduced to such simplistic terms. But, groups of people aren't simple. The issues that arise from group dynamics aren't simplistic.

And, that's why Rand opposed the creation of the Libertarian Party in the early '70s. She knew that her views were entertainment. Like Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer. She didn't want to see her views put in a position where they had to be given practical effect.

She wanted them to remain as a fringe element of Republican party. Beating moderate Republicans with high-sounding, principle-based rhetoric. Where nobody would dream of holding the fringe group to the literal meaning of their own rhetoric.

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if the City wants more "choices" then they need to talk with another cable company about overbuilding. Maybe WOW? RCN?

and Muni broadband only makes the citizens PAY MORE in TAXES when the network fails. TWC will run the network out and down they'll under cut and the people will lose in the form of taxes.

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TWC will run the network out and down they'll under cut and the people will lose in the form of taxes.
TWC will do that after being given access to public rights of way, and easements?

Maybe, in addition to society owning the infrastructure, it should better regulate those it lets use that infrastructure?

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Maybe you should build out a network the size of TWC so we can take that and regulate it.

Since people on here are all for a level playing field maybe TWC, Comcast, ATT, and VZ need to go to the states and make it set so those Muni networks have to be OPEN access for even them to use.

Hmmm.... after all it's owned by the people.

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That's the dumbest thing I ever heard. Those companies have their own network. They could provide access to the customers via fiber, coax, etc. They have that choice. They choose to offer what services they do. I am all for a better alternative if that is what the people want. That's the problem with these companies. Too many legislators are in their back pockets.
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TWC does offer FTTH/B services. It's called Business Class. If you want the speed and SLAs you pay for it.
And i bet you'd be singing a different tone if you were a business owner that this was happening to or a stock holder.

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Doubtful.
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TWC doesn't offer it? You better learn to look shit up before hand.

»www.twcbc.com/Carolinas/Products···net.ashx
»www.twcbc.com/Carolinas/Products···ess.ashx
Our Dedicated Internet Access provides that connectivity on a high-capacity fiber network and can deliver a dedicated and continuous link between your local area network (LAN) and the Internet. In fact, because our network is based on the same Ethernet protocol used for LAN connectivity, you can leverage your existing technical expertise without incurring costs to train your IT staff.

We understand that every organization has unique communication needs; that’s why we offer connectivity speeds ranging from 1 Mbps to 10 Gbps - so you get the exact bandwidth that matches your specific business requirements. And, we provide Service Level Agreements to ensure high performance and availability for your mission-critical operations.

High-bandwidth, dedicated access using optical fiber technology.
Scalable bandwidth from 1 Mbps to over 10 Gbps*
High network availability, minimal latency and low packet loss.
Large-scale and/or consistent data transfer to, or from, the Internet.
Dedicated local account management, providing a single point of contact.

that is for the Greensboro area. Just ONE area that offers it. ALL business class areas offer it.

And Wilson plans to offer that how?

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You knew exactly what I meant. You are too busy being anal on the forum to realize that when I spoke about the product, I meant in relation to FIOS in product and pricing. Cable companies are not going to run fiber to peoples houses as long as they can milk copper. This, in the end, will give those companies that have decided to run fiber directly to the consumers homes, an upper hand down the road.
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cable can run it faster than any telco can and only when it makes sense to do so.

If you want to see fiber faster than what they're gonna give it i suggest you start building your own FTTH network. Also the HFC networks can and will do more bandwdith than U-Verse or any other Telco network that's not FTTH. And if FTTH was the way to go Cablevision would have done that instead of deploying D3. By the way which is faster than FiOS.

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said by hottboiinnc See Profile :

Since people on here are all for a level playing field maybe TWC, Comcast, ATT, and VZ need to go to the states and make it set so those Muni networks have to be OPEN access for even them to use.
Or, maybe those network providers should be required to negotiate their own rights of way (and easements) with every property owner along the path. Since "free markets" are so important?

Mark
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Why should we do that when States do that for us thanks to ATT and VZ FiOS.
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said by hottboiinnc See Profile :

if the City wants more "choices" then they need to talk with another cable company about overbuilding. Maybe WOW? RCN?
Yeah that'll happen. Have you looked at WOW's and RCN's finances lately? Considering what you've posted elsewhere do you even do rudimentary research before you post?
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Who do you think will win?

In one corner TW in the other Google.
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Re: Who do you think will win?

easy Google
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Thats what I was thinking, well at least maybe TW/other ISPs will back off a bit. Maybe this will lead to more places that have net been served by the big ISPs getting internet. I would rather it be a private person and not the government that wireless them, but better than nothing.

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This is ridiculous

Why does anyone care if a town owns its own network. I have no problem with it or with TWC providing their own service. The only reason TWC is afraid is because they know that Wilson can provide its residents a more affordable service than TWC can. That is TWC's problem to adjust their business model to stay profitable. It is not the GOVERNMENT's job to ensure and protect a company's business model. That is up to the executives and board of directors and middle management to keep the company going. Corporate welfare in the form of government protectionism to prevent loss of corporate welfare is not a free market principle. It is preventing competition. All of you stupid republicans who oppose this need to think about that yet you always want incumbent industries to be protected from competition which you so valiantly claim makes the economy effective. Go to &*&#!!!!! !@@&*(&#!!!!

Anyway, back to the business at hand. This is directly effecting me as I live in NC and will be writing my state representative to prevent this bill from passing. It is bad for NC and not bad for TWC either. They need competition to give them a little fork in the &**!!

Have a nice day.
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Re: This is ridiculous

If a town wants it let them have it

but you forget in this new world order that big companies can't be allowed to fail

sad but the end is nigh
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It is the government's job when the people's tax dollars are being brought in.

Why should my tax dollars go to Wilson because they think they can become a business and compete against the 2nd largest Cable company in the country? I should not have to support their business. The same as I do not support TWC by not having their service.

TWC provides the same services as Wilson. Embarq also offers full services. Wilson does NOT and most likely NEVER will offer full services to everyone. Why? they don't have to. they can cry we're out of money, we need more. They simply raise taxes and BOOM! More money.

Muni broadband needs to be stopped. If a city wants another provider then they need to give that provider tax breaks to come in and over build. Other wise do what they do best, spend money doing other things. Like giving themselves pay raises.
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Re: This is ridiculous

Ah, so it's OK for the government to build roads, offer public water, public schools and colleges, public transit, city garbage collection, mail service, public radio and TV, airports, sports stadiums, public healthcare, yet they shouldn't compete with private Internet providers? All of the things I mentioned compete with a private business, yet we've decided as a society that the government can offer them, yet you seem to think that broadband access is something that should be off-limits.

But since you're so opposed to government involvement in the private sector, how would you feel about doing away with private access to public rights-of-way? Let's kick the phone, cable, and electric companies off this land and force them to negotiate with each and every property owner to run their lines. That way, the market can decide what that access should cost. Can't get power at your house because the guy up the street from you wants $1 million to let the power company cross his property to reach your house? Tough luck. I guess you'll be buying a generator. Just make sure it doesn't run on natural gas because the lady who lives between you and the main pipeline owns a big part of the local diesel fuel distributor, so she won't grant access to her property at any price. I hope your yard is big enough for a large fuel tank.

Completely unregulated capitalism sounds great until you're the one getting stepped on by someone in pursuit of more money.
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If TWC only had a brain

They would offer to sell transit bandwidth to them and work out a deal so they would till get a good amount of money

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Ban

They forgot to mention, this will cut in to the Executive profits..
Instead of a $17.8 million dollar bonus this year, there will only be a $17 million dollar bonus.
But NOTHING for the hard working employees !!!!!
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When the world's biggest semiconductor maker comes against

I hope the jokes on this forum who defends these corrupt isps see their own stupidity now. When the world's biggest semiconductor maker has to defend themselves, it's pretty obvious the politicians are being bribed by TWC.

If they sign this, I hope they realize they will be fucking up their states future all for their bribe.
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said by Metatron2008 See Profile :

I hope the jokes on this forum who defends these corrupt isps see their own stupidity now. When the world's biggest semiconductor maker has to defend themselves, it's pretty obvious the politicians are being bribed by TWC.

If they sign this, I hope they realize they will be .... up their states future all for their bribe.
The politicos do not care, just as long as the bribe money flows, they essentially killed Utopia here in by prohibiting them from doing anything that can make money (a bill bought by Qwest). So instead of the 20X20 service I thought I might have by now I am still stuck with poor oppressed Qwest's 1.5X1...
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bull crap and cap

the bull shit gets deeper deeper twc is becoming a company of shit in think i am going to dump them soon very soon will go back to dialup and get fios when it gets here and i was with them from day one .

twc is Swine Flu stay away
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penalty

as a result of implementing caps and introducing anti-competitive strife in the broadband market.. most of the cable companies and AT&T should LOSE part of their footprint--losing status as a monopoly & duopoly.

3rd party providers.. with NEW builds.. not resell.

Cablevision & Verizon get a pass.. everyone else, get ready to lose market share, as your penalty.
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said by tmc8080 See Profile :

as a result of implementing caps and introducing anti-competitive strife in the broadband market.. most of the cable companies and AT&T should LOSE part of their footprint--losing status as a monopoly & duopoly.
Agreed it's about time other major corporations called these creeps on the carpet who would cripple the US economy by neither competing or investing enough in the future.
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TWC = Economic Negativity

I'm just not surprised by TWCs antics anymore. All they are trying to do is fill their wallets and provide minimal service benifits/upgrades.
They have completely defiled and denigrated the term "giving the consumers the best bang for the buck"
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Just another example of greed

First, the outrageous caps that they intended to put on their customers. They finally caved.

As a side effect, they decided to slow down on DOCSIS 3.0. Saves money.

Now, they intend to secure thousands (nope! millions, I meant) more in profits by preventing a perfectly legit, honest muni broadband setup from sharing in the stimulus funding and placing restrictions on them -- oh, I almost forgot, and making themselves (TWC) exempt to all of the restrictions.

I may be repeating, like, everything that you know. But I just had to put it out there. If I had TWC -- I'd be outta there faster than they knew.
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