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I refuse to upgrade to a slick new smart phone becuase I immediately get screwed by the carrier and am forced to pay an extra $30/mo for data usage.
All I want is the slick new phone and it's internal apps and not use it for SMS/E-mail/surfing ...! I just want a great phone to make voice calls with . -- Some people hear their own inner voices with great clearness and they live by what they hear. Such people become crazy but they become legend. | |
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I want the providers to just act as dumb pipes. As for Google being the content provider, only if they don't censor or restrict in any way. -- Win Vista Home Prem x64 SP2, Intel Centrino Core2 Duo P7350 @ 2 GHz, 6 GB RAM, 1 GB ATI Radeon 4600 HD video, 453 GB HDD, Millenicom Wireless Internet | |
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| Why believe Google? Okay, this site regularly skewers multibillion dollar corps. It sometimes appears that Google gets a pass because they say they will do no evil. To that, I say BS.
Why should one trust what Google says anymore than what Verizon, or AT&T say? Just wondering. | |
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Make all the major communications industry players into dumb pipe providers and watch consumer costs plummet while corporate profits are brought back down into the stratosphere. (from the high earth orbit they presently enjoy) While at the same time forcing the providers to compete on what actually matters (price and speed) instead of customer lock downs.
The reason google terrifies the phone companies is because google makes it easy for us (the consumer) to do for free what the phone companies have been charging indulgent amounts of money for. | |
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| Re: Why believe Google? said by Austinloop:Guess you have forgot that google was going to bid in a cell spectrum auction, then disappeared. IMHO, if they want to play in the cell phone market, then be a cell phone company. But then I have no trust of google, or most corps. Why would they bid on something they don't need? They aren't a cell phone carrier. That would take spectrum away from those companies who can actually use it, like real cell phone companies. -- My Blog 2.0 | |
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What does google not bidding up spectrum frequencies have to do with google's alignment on this issue? | |
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| Re: Why believe Google? Well google voice and several other applications similar to it (skype for one) already exist.
However, I think you're confusing what my point was.
In this case google's interests are squarely aligned with consumer interests (unfettered access and network neutrality) whether they actually make use of the open access once it's there or just steer policy in the right direction. | |
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| If I remember correctly they were trying to bid up the price to include open access specs. Nobody really expected for them to become a cellular carrier anyway...doing so would alienate them from all the other carriers. Much easier to just invest money in Clear WiMAX and other such ventures. | |
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They got the rules bent so that greedy carriers like Verizon would have to open up their airwaves a bit more.
Verizon would never allow for phones w/o their ugly UI's or forced content stores without a little outside pressure.
Every new PR move companies like Verizon make today are in affect a consequence of previous action by others. They are not innovative or customer friendly by any means.
You can hate Google all you want, but the truth of the matter is that as a consumer we will side with the lesser of the two evils. Verizon and Google are both multi billion dollar companies, but one of them tries to gouge our wallets each month while the other gives us free email, social networking and alternative calling/SMS services.
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| If you had followed that saga closely, Google was being very clever.
They were implying they might jump in on the Auction if certain openness rules were adopting by the FCC for the spectrum auction (Ie like unlocked phones and the like.)
Thanks to Google, consumers got some minor concessions but largely the auction proceeded with minimal changes. Google didn't bid.
No problem. It was still a good move. -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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| said by Angrychair:Because Google's interests in this matter are aligned with the public's interests. Make all the major communications industry players into dumb pipe providers and watch consumer costs plummet while corporate profits are brought back down into the stratosphere. (from the high earth orbit they presently enjoy) While at the same time forcing the providers to compete on what actually matters (price and speed) instead of customer lock downs. The reason google terrifies the phone companies is because google makes it easy for us (the consumer) to do for free what the phone companies have been charging indulgent amounts of money for. Explain to me how reducing the carriers to dumb pipe companies is going to make them drop prices? If you remove their other walled garden sources of revenues, wouldn't you expect them to charge more for the base service to make up for it?
Really, in the smart phone market, carriers are dumb pipes, except for the division between phone and data minutes. Since they don't have the walled garden revenue, they generally charge more for dumb internet pipes to smart phones to make up for lost walled garden revenues. When LTE rolls in, this distinction may be reduced, at least on cell to cell calls.
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| Re: Why believe Google? No more outrageous SMS profits and no more outrageous minute restrictions to name two.
And they'll charge as much as they can get away with to be sure. Which is why it's important for customers to easily be able to switch carriers while easily porting everything important to them. (where services like google voice come in)
True easy and free competition for the customer is what drives down profits, and while google can only impact a small part of the equation everything is better than nothing. (which is why I noted profits back in the stratosphere rather than truly down to earth) | |
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 |  |  |  ecoPremium join:2001-11-28 Wilmington, DE | The idea is that The carriers use their 'wall garden' content as a means of luring customers. Similar to how they use cell phone exclusivity agreements as a means to lure customers.
If the carriers were simply dumb pipes without other methods to lure customers they would have to compete on price, speed and quality of service alone. This is part of the reason many other countries ban, or limit to very short periods of time, exclusivity agreements because they are anti-competitive in the sense they reduce price competition. | |
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 |  Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium join:2002-03-03 USA kudos:4 | said by Austinloop:Okay, this site regularly skewers multibillion dollar corps. It sometimes appears that Google gets a pass because they say they will do no evil. To that, I say BS. Why should one trust what Google says anymore than what Verizon, or AT&T say? Just wondering. You are right. All corporations, including Google, are in it strictly for the money. The "Google can do no evil" is just extra good PR by Google. In fact, they are the heir apparent to Microsoft to becoming the next abusive monopoly that will sooner, rather than later, become a complacent behemoth looking to be the next cash cow. | |
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 |  |  tubbynetreminds me of the danse russePremium,MVM join:2008-01-16 Chandler, AZ | Re: Why believe Google? said by Romney2012:You are right. All corporations, including Google, are in it strictly for the money. The "Google can do no evil" is just extra good PR by Google. In fact, they are the heir apparent to Microsoft to becoming the next abusive monopoly that will sooner, rather than later, become a complacent behemoth looking to be the next cash cow. while you and i have our disagreements (quite often, actually), this is the truth. google has their own intentions with every service they provide. what *exactly* are they doing with your voicemail, sms message, email, etc? they bought out doubleclick and even now there is speculation that they are offering the "think big with a gig" to perfect and target behavioral advertising via mixed media.
google is aligning with the "public interest" because it allows ad revenue, clickstream data, and other "information sets" to be taken from the carriers hands and placed into their own. google makes money from doing so - why wouldn't they support making their own money?
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| said by Austinloop:Why should one trust what Google says anymore than what Verizon, or AT&T say? Just wondering. Because I get a lot of useful services from Google for FREE; like calendar/contact/iphone sync (Apple charges), Google Voice/SMS free (AT&T charges), Picasa Web photos in the cloud Free, Google Docs in the cloud Free.... I can go on, but bottom line is Verizon, Apple, and AT&T have all overcharged me, while GOOGLE has never ripped me off.
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I think Google understands that if you give the people what they want, you will continue to rake in the money. Google also seems to be more willing to adapt to new tech and products.
The cell providers seem to be intent on keeping things the way they are and not making adjustments. Which is understandable because cell companies are NOT like Google. They're not really in the business of searching for new tech to improve the customer's experience. But keep in mind that cell phone companies have evolved from old money practices and business men/women from a time long gone. Google is not from this line of thought. It's not that Google is a hero and cell companies are the arch villain. It's just that one company is built to adapt and fit into today's world. The other is still clinging on to an older way of making money.
Neither one is good or evil so let's stop approaching them from that perspective. | |
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 |  NPGMBR join:2001-03-28 Arlington, VA | Re: Good VS. Evil Oh please. Google is no better than anyone else. The entire basis of Google's push to get everyone to open networks or content is so Google can control it.
This is the exact bait and switch game Google played with on-line content providers only Google didn't have to convince them to let Google steal their viewers eyeballs, Google just hijacked them.
The difference is that Google cant do that with the ISPs so Google is trying to convince everyone that everything should be free and open for Google to exploit that information and thus rake in the cash then turn to the ISPs and tell them they need to change their business models when they start losing ad revenue to Google!
People had better wake up. Google is all about gobbling up your personal information and selling it to others and giving you a pat on the head in return. You only have to look at all the privacy concerns popping up with every new product Google launches. | |
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But Google signed no EULA, only us end users are restrained by those.
The carriers are trying to squash corporate innovation and thats a "no no." | |
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 |  Sammer join:2005-12-22 Canonsburg, PA | Re: Unrealistic said by axiomatic:The carriers are trying to squash corporate innovation and thats a "no no." Thinking about all the corporate shills who like to point out how copyright infringement is against the law, not only is it a "no no" for carriers to squash corporate innovation it's also illegal under antitrust laws. | |
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 | | Excellent Google should offer free VOIP for cell phones. In return of installing a Google-VOIP-Wireless router they could take over the market overnight. Where other customer's can connect in your area for VOIP service. | |
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Plenty of profit in doing just that. | |
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| on smart phones Grabbing consumers for upwards of $30 a month for data service which is *mandatory* on many smart phone post paid plans should be enough for the carriers to supply up-to 10mbits of throughput per subscriber once upgrades take hold. This is enough for, voice data and streaming of video.. albeit in best effort style service & wouldn't be flawless everywhere in the footprint. Not even Verizon can guarantee their footprint's throughput in 100% of possible locations in their "red" footprint.
What remains to be seen is a PREPAID option with smart phones for $50 and under which includes voice, data and apps which can utilize the same kinds of features post paid customers do. Up until now it's been a tradeoff between full featured phones on post paid and feature poor phones on prepaid (regardless of whether the phone is subsidized or not by the carrier/partner networks or companies). | |
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