Google Wi-Fi Hysteria Has Negative Unintended Consequences Forces Google to Target Valuable Open Wi-Fi Hotspots In 2010, Google was busted using their Google Street View cars to collect Wi-Fi data from areas they passed through. The company claimed that the effort was a rogue action of one employee running a test project, and the data collected was largely useless ( confirmed by subsequent studies) given the collection vehicles flipped channels roughly five times each second. Google admitted the mistake, put new employee measures in place, and that probably should have been the end of it. Instead, what we saw was a fit of global hysteria over Google's actions well out of scale with what actually happened -- especially in context of the privacy abuses we see nearly every day from companies and governments. Numerous lawsuits from more than a dozen countries were filed, recently resulting in a $7 million dollar wrist slap for the company. This week the EFF ( via Techdirt) looked at some of the negative repercussions the settlement has had on open Wi-Fi, given many of the requirements layered on Google required they "educate" users about locking up all hotspots. The EFF argues this misses the point, and acts to erode a valuable public resource: The solution to public surveillance problems should not involve discouraging people from providing public resources like open wireless, since this cuts against the general interest and takes away a common good. As we've explained elsewhere, wireless encryption provides few benefits compared to the much stronger end-to-end encryption, a technology that can thrive alongside environments with open wireless access. The settlement could have gone so much farther by educating people how to run open wireless networks safely and securelyfor example, through open guest networks. In short, open Wi-Fi hotspots by themselves are not necessarily a bad thing, but they're treated as such by politicians who all-too-frequently don't understand the technology they're legislating. Meanwhile, you have a public that in some corners was bent out of shape about Google accidentally collecting useless data, but oblivious or apathetic to the fact that nearly all of their online behaviors are monitored, monetized and sold to and by a wide variety of companies and governments with little to no oversight or consumer protections.
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 | | You don't say? ...not necessarily a bad thing, but they're treated as such by politicians who all-too-frequently don't understand the technology they're legislating
Yeah, seems there's a lot of that going around lately. -- Burrow owl...burrow owl... | |
|  |  | | Re: You don't say? Yeah, seems there's a lot of that going on since the beginning of time.* FTFY | |
|  |  dra6o0n join:2011-08-15 Mississauga, ON | I call that "Corporate Trolling".
Since there's also a ton of Copyright Trolls going about. | |
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 LinklistPremium join:2002-03-03 Williamstown, NJ kudos:5 1 edit | Caps and not security main problem with open APs
The EFF is missing the main issue as to why open APs are impractical. It has little to do with protecting the data. It does have a lot to do with preventing others from using your byte CAPPED connection. Sure encrypted VPNs can protect your data, but it does nothing to stop others from eating up your bandwidth. Open WiFi for home residents is a non-starter as long as the ISPs have caps. The EFF in their little diatribe against Google fails to mention the real reason open WiFi is a no go - people don't want to spend their money to support leaches.
P.S.>> and of course visits by law enforcement when a VISITOR uses your cable connection to perform illegal acts on your connection. And yes, you may be LEGALLY innocent, but you will spend a lot of your money proving it to law enforcement.
P.P.S.>> I can detect about 12 APs from neigbors. Only 1 has an open connection. 1 has a vistor connection protected by password. The rest are all WPA2 encrypted. | |
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| Re: Caps and not security main problem with open APs said by MovieLover76:Maybe a business can get away with open wifi, as it's clear the main purpose of such a connection is a public connection, but for a private citizen's home connection. It's too risky. Well done, that man! He has expressly chosen "security" over freedom!
Sheesh, grow a pair, America. You are so cowed that it is no wonder the terrorists have won. | |
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| Re: Caps and not security main problem with open APs What group do you speak off? And as far as your IP address, yes it should be valid in court. You are the only one that has that IP during X amount of time and it can prove your computer network/modem. That's all that it should be. The same as any cop pulling you over and finding drugs in your car. It's your car and it was found in your car. You are held responsible for it. And if you fear being sued, then maybe (if you do) you shouldn't be stealing to start off with. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  MashikiBalking The Enemy's Plans join:2002-02-04 Woodstock, ON kudos:1 | Re: Caps and not security main problem with open APs No an IP address should not be valid in court. Spoofing an IP and MAC are so easy a 14yr old can do it. Gets even more fun when you're dealing poisoning. | |
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| Well leaving the wifi open surely does comes with it's risk, but how does that analogy relate to someone's freedom versus corporate enforcement?
It's not like you don't have control over your security, it's a wifi connection, in your home, where you have a potential 24/7 chance to secure it, but choose not to?
That analogy to 'embrace freedom' is a bit strange, as I'm Canadian so I don't even share the same sentiment on the term "Freedom".
Free Will on the other hand is a whole different ballgame, you always have it and it's always a choice.
If a dictator claims control, you have said free will to do something about it, but no freedom to do anything 'legally' within the dictator's "System". | |
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As it pertains to open wireless the risk factor varies by locale and operator time and knowledge. I've always run open but can imagine living somewhere I would not. Currently seeing 4 or 5 uniq MACs/day, 3 are regulars, 1 = heavy user. If cap issues arise I'll re-assess. Share & share alike. | |
|  |  |  |  | | I would agree with your comment except in this case im sorry but I lock down my WiFi because of things like Child porn. Im just not going to risk all that hassle and damage that is most certainly to come from even being associated with something so disgusting.
If it was just caps that would be another story but quite frankly I dont know everyone who would have access to my WiFi. Even still do you really know anyone?
Where would your comment be appropriate? In regards to Apple products. Now thats a case where someone is really choosing security over freedom. | |
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| said by MovieLover76:Maybe a business can get away with open wifi, as it's clear the main purpose of such a connection is a public connection, but for a private citizen's home connection. It's too risky. Meh. I still use the "guest wireless" feature on my router at home with no security. Maybe it's just easier for my tech-inept guests. Or maybe I just like living on the edge.
...and if an unsecure WiFi connection is honestly considered "Wild Child" living...kinda sad.  | |
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|  |  rchandraStargate Universe fanPremium join:2000-11-09 14225-2105 | That's one thing they "conveniently" like to sidestep, that a subscriber is generally bound through a contract (a ToS, AUP, etc.) as responsible for all traffic transitting one's connection, usage caps or not. So imagine your surprise when los federales come bustin' down your door because they think (because of leaving your AP wide open) that you're a purveryor of kiddieporn, or being cut off permanently because they think you're a spammer. Honestly...I want to be that trusting, but by-and-large I'm not able to be in our world. -- English is a difficult enough language to interpret correctly when its rules are followed, let alone when a writer chooses not to follow those rules.
Jeopardy! replies and randomcaps REALLY suck! | |
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 AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium join:2003-02-06 Onion, NJ | excellent article one of the best written ever.
p.s. excellent photo, whats the backstory on that? -- * seek help if having trouble coping --Standard disclaimers apply.-- | |
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 dra6o0n join:2011-08-15 Mississauga, ON | This is the internet Where people gets pissed off when someone accidentally trips on a cable cord, and ends up going on a raging spree, while a quarter of them laugh out loud. Then there's this one person who asks if the person who fell is alright. | |
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| Open Wifi APs Are pretty much dead. In addition to the potential legal issues and the whole cap issue, you have real-time bandwidth usage, and the fact that many people have actual LANs now, and the security risks of letter some random person on or near your LAN just isn't a great idea. Pretty much everyone has smartphones these days, so free Wifi isn't that big of a deal anyways. | |
|  | | People are idiots And it's frustrating that they aren't capable of getting any smarter, or worse don't want to. I feel sorry for the Google employee that was simply trying to fulfill a project. Really sucks that all this BS occurred for no reason. | |
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