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encryptionlooks like I'm going to be using encryption for everything now. I'd be happy to stand before a judge if they try to make encrypted communications illegal. | |
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Re: encryptionAt the rate this country is going, you may have to. | |
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said by ArrayList:looks like I'm going to be using encryption for everything now. That's pretty useless unless everyone you communicate with also uses encryption. I have all my email accounts set up to send and receive encrypted mail. Unfortunately nobody I communicate with has; so that's useless. I have my browsers set up for https, but few sites support it. Encryption only works if it's universal. It's not! | |
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Re: encryptionTry to remember that you don't have to use every form of communication. If I don't want someone to see what I'm sending/receiving, I'll stick to secure channels. I don't care about what comes/goes in my email. It's mostly spam anyways. I really hope email goes away in the coming years and is replaced with something a bit less centralized. | |
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Try zsentry.com. The receiver doesn't have to have an account. I setup medical offices with it b/c of HIPPA and Hitech.
Best solution I have found yet to encrypting your email without both ends having to setup their mail clients for it. | |
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Re: encryptionMedical offices should be using EMR systems for all communications with patients as mandated several years back. But why would a medical office be using Google Docs as advertised on this company's website. I'd be more focused on migrating those customers/users off Google first. | |
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Re: encryption1) I said nothing about gDocs/gDrive. My post was about email. 2) It is not financially feasible for many small practices to pay the exorbitant fee for EMR software. Doctors that are already completely paperless and have had EMR, in their own way, for the better part of 20 years have no interest and in some cases don't have the money to switch to EMR software. The cost of sticking with their own processes, ie: the reduced reimbursement from medicare, is minimal compared to the cost of switching. 3) EMR does not include inter-office or direct patient communication. HITECH requires all communication regarding patients must be encrypted. With encrypted fax being a virtually impossible configuration for a small office to setup, encrypted email is the best way to go.
I've been dealing with HIPPA, which is total BS because patients sign the release without reading it and even if they do, if they don't agree, they can't get the medical care they need, for far too many years. There's one rule in there, and excuse me I don't remember the details, but they require that all documents be stored in secure safes. If you've ever walked into a doctors office that wasn't paperless, you know that fitting their files into secure safes was not possible. It was one of thousands of HIPPA details that were ignored by every doctor and medical facility out there. HITECH is better b/c it lays out specifics that, for the most part, are reasonable. It's not expensive to encrypt all patient data where ever it is stored. EMR's are a joke because there is virtually no compatibility between them. So doctors that have admin rights at multiple hospitals still have to deal with paper in one way or another. Hospitals are printing patient records from their EMRs for every patient transfer to hospitals outside their network. It's a nightmare because the jack asses in Washington were too chicken to require interoperability. | |
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said by waffull:Try zsentry.com. The receiver doesn't have to have an account. I setup medical offices with it b/c of HIPPA and Hitech.
Best solution I have found yet to encrypting your email without both ends having to setup their mail clients for it. This is fascinating, I never heard of this. I scoured their site to find out exactly how it works, but there is no explanation. I will dig into this more however. Thanks! | |
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2013-Apr-25 10:49 am
I'm all for it. We live in a different world.Whether you admit it or not, the 1st and 4th amendments like the 2nd amendment is crippling us.
The Boston terrorists had online profiles on facebook, twitter, etc and from all indications used smart phones but because some of us choose to hold onto a few silly outdated ideals, we weren't able to track and stop these bastards.
If Boston PD had access to a unified searchable database of all major social network profiles, phone calls, emails, text messages, recorded gps data and other communications made a year before the marathon they might have been able to type a few key words and tracked down these terrorists during the planning stages and even if they missed it, they would have been able to quickly find them afterwards.
In conjunction to a database of all communications, we as American citizens need to be able to tip off authorities without shame or fear of retribution.
We need to be able to submit profiles and locations of any suspicious persons or suspected terrorists from the privacy of our homes in a completely anonymous way and authorities should be able to have unified access to it. Any bit of information helps even if it's erroneous.
We also need to require all phone companies store GPS locations of all phones so authorities can not only know where a terrorist is going but know where they could go and they should be able to maintain these records for 5 years. Prepaid aka "burner phones" should be banned or require proof of residence to activate.
Had all of this been in place we could have avoided a lot of deaths but none of this matters to a few bitter clingers who choose to hold on to a few outdated amendments.
We have to remember, the Boston terrorists used gunpowder and guns to cause mayhem and death all thanks to the 2nd amendment. So I pose this question: How many deaths have to occur until we wake up and do away with these outdated ideals?
The 1st amendment allows the media to tweet and broadcast movement and strategies of law enforcement in real time and there is not a darn thing anyone can do about it which is sad.
Had the terrorists been savvier, they could have followed twitter and various online publications like broadcastify, ustream, etc to monitor the police and plan an escape all thanks to the 1st amendment.
Look at England, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. They function perfectly fine without these amendments so why can't we progress and move forward with the rest of the world?
Regardless of what the conspiracy theorist crowd espouse, our government is trying to stop these terrorists and I fully support their tireless efforts to achieve that. I'd rather be safe and secure than dead. | |
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Re: I'm all for it. We live in a different world.I completely agree! | |
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Re: I'm all for it. We live in a different world.the problem is preventing terrorism and/or catching terrorists after the fact - is what gets government officials reelected. nobody seems to reelect officials for protecting our basic constitutional and civil rights. for example, how many here actually looked at the CISPA voting rolls and took note of which of your own party members in your district voted in favor of it - so you'll know not to vote for those cunts next election cycle... probably 1:10,000 of you.
the other issue is our government has now started a cybersecurity arms race with it's own citizens. as more average internet users flee to VPN's and other forms of anonymity, our government will have to step up it's efforts to monitor us - in the long run it's just more taxpayer money down the poop shoot of corporate greed, instead of buying more terrorism security for us. i feel secure when a law enforcement agent is checking a crowd for unattended bags, not when he's scanning my spam folder for hot key words. | |
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I'm 100% with this. Rather die on my feet than live on my knees. | |
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2013-Apr-25 1:53 pm
Re: I'm all for it. We live in a different world.said by Riusaki:I'm 100% with this. Rather die on my feet than live on my knees. Amen, except for certain occasions . | |
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said by microphone: I'd rather be killed by a terrorist than surrender the 1st, 2nd, and 4th amendments. +1 | |
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said by microphone: I'd rather be killed by a terrorist than surrender the 1st, 2nd, and 4th amendments. Agreed. "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin | |
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From my cold, dead hands...
The 2nd supports the 1st, hence it's importance in the Bill of Rights. I'm sure all those being marched to Auschwitz and Bataan would have some very good advice in that regard. | |
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said by microphone: I'd rather be killed by a terrorist than surrender the 1st, 2nd, and 4th amendments. Well put. | |
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me too. These "outdated ideas" are what keep us free, though the powers that be keep limiting our Constitutional Rights. | |
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Wait, you're saying that EVERYONE is connected to the internet and using Facebook and social websites? You're saying that if someone is going to blow something up, that they're likely to post it on Facebook before doing it?
That makes so much sense! Get rid of privacy, glass houses for everyone! | |
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Re: I'm all for it. We live in a different world."Wait, you're saying that EVERYONE is connected to the internet and using Facebook"
I'll go ahead an offer proof that EVERYONE is NOT using Facebook. I am not and never intend to use Farcebook. | |
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said by coma9:Wait, you're saying that EVERYONE is connected to the internet and using Facebook and social websites? You're saying that if someone is going to blow something up, that they're likely to post it on Facebook before doing it?
That makes so much sense! Get rid of privacy, glass houses for everyone! No but almost everyone uses electronics as a tool to communicate and research. I have no doubt that the boston bombers discussed the bombing over the phone, maybe even by email and text messages and probably conducted research online. If a database had been set up to unify that information the authorities could have typed in a few key words before the marathon, saw unusual activities and taken appropriate actions. | |
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Re: I'm all for it. We live in a different world.no they don't. I'll introduce you to some of my Amish friends.
and NOTHING could have stopped Boston. | |
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Re: I'm all for it. We live in a different world.We should find a reason to lock Gozo up in a solitary jail cell. He/she should be 'safe' there. | |
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said by Gozo8:No but almost everyone uses electronics as a tool to communicate and research. I have no doubt that the boston bombers discussed the bombing over the phone, maybe even by email and text messages and probably conducted research online. Not even close. They were brothers, so they talked in person. No need to text each other anything, or talk about it on the phone. Also, proxies or VPNs would be a super easy way to hide what they're searching for online, if they even used the internet for research. Explosives are easy to make, don't kid yourself. You're foolish, and don't know what you're talking about. Please leave. | |
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So all the people that looked up pressure cooker bomb or went to the extremist websites mentioned in many articles for reasons of pure curiosity would now be suspected terrorists.
And how long before this database was hacked?
How long before people that say Obama care is stupid and needs to go are labeled as terrorists?
If I'm not doing anything wrong why do they need to know what I'm saying? | |
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That doesn't make any sense. The oldest brother was on a counterterroism watch list. That didn't seem to help.
Do you work for a company that manufactrues security cameras or manages databases? Sounds like a sales pitch to me. | |
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I'm not sure if it was a record but I think we found them really quickly.
How do you know a unified database doesn't already exist? | |
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2013-Apr-25 11:57 am
Re: I'm all for it. We live in a different world.I think they just took his ID off his corpse after he attacked some cops. No fancy surveillance needed | |
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Please ... go find another country to live in. | |
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Using IF as a reason to break down freedoms is pathetic. IF you look at it from the other side of the fence you could see that IF the government took away those amendments we'd be in a nation of total big brother eyes on everyone.
Frankly I don't see how you can sit back and claim that this would be beneficial. Haven't you learned anything from history? Give a group of people too much power and they'll abuse it. The rights you think are holding us back are also helping us have freedoms.
Just because a few individuals beat the system doesn't create a reason to punish everyone else. I don't know if your from the US. You should consider moving to a nation with less freedoms if so worried about the government protecting you.
After you live in a nation that has no privacy or freedoms you might began to understand that without those rights you've become a slave like most people in China. If you want to move to one of those less protected nations fine.
I see you didn't list your location so you might not even be from the US. If that's the case please avoid US politics. The USA laws are for Americans not people who live elsewhere. Even if those wonderful nations function without those rights we shouldn't need to follow them.
I don't want to lose any freedoms. Even if they had direct access to the info you spoke of people would still find a way to get past the system. So what is the end result of your ideals? A nation of slaves that have no privacy rights and people still killing each other. | |
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Ignore this troll. He/she keeps showing up in topics such as this and just must be a government shill/apologist/nut-job.
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"Look at England, Canada, Australia and New Zealand."
How about your surrender your citizenship and take you ass to one of the above countries. | |
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2013-Apr-25 12:14 pm
Re: I'm all for it. We live in a different world.said by battleop:"Look at England, Canada, Australia and New Zealand."
How about your surrender your citizenship and take you ass to one of the above countries. Amen to that! | |
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said by Gozo8:Whether you admit it or not, the 1st and 4th amendments like the 2nd amendment is crippling us.
The Boston terrorists had online profiles on facebook, twitter, etc and from all indications used smart phones but because some of us choose to hold onto a few silly outdated ideals, we weren't able to track and stop these bastards.
If Boston PD had access to a unified searchable database of all major social network profiles, phone calls, emails, text messages, recorded gps data and other communications made a year before the marathon they might have been able to type a few key words and tracked down these terrorists during the planning stages and even if they missed it, they would have been able to quickly find them afterwards.
In conjunction to a database of all communications, we as American citizens need to be able to tip off authorities without shame or fear of retribution.
We need to be able to submit profiles and locations of any suspicious persons or suspected terrorists from the privacy of our homes in a completely anonymous way and authorities should be able to have unified access to it. Any bit of information helps even if it's erroneous.
We also need to require all phone companies store GPS locations of all phones so authorities can not only know where a terrorist is going but know where they could go and they should be able to maintain these records for 5 years. Prepaid aka "burner phones" should be banned or require proof of residence to activate.
Had all of this been in place we could have avoided a lot of deaths but none of this matters to a few bitter clingers who choose to hold on to a few outdated amendments.
We have to remember, the Boston terrorists used gunpowder and guns to cause mayhem and death all thanks to the 2nd amendment. So I pose this question: How many deaths have to occur until we wake up and do away with these outdated ideals?
The 1st amendment allows the media to tweet and broadcast movement and strategies of law enforcement in real time and there is not a darn thing anyone can do about it which is sad.
Had the terrorists been savvier, they could have followed twitter and various online publications like broadcastify, ustream, etc to monitor the police and plan an escape all thanks to the 1st amendment.
Look at England, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. They function perfectly fine without these amendments so why can't we progress and move forward with the rest of the world?
Regardless of what the conspiracy theorist crowd espouse, our government is trying to stop these terrorists and I fully support their tireless efforts to achieve that. I'd rather be safe and secure than dead.
So you'd give up what hundreds of thousands of US soldiers died for in WWII? You are the poster boy for the 'worst' generation. | |
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said by Gozo8:Look at England, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. They function perfectly fine without these amendments so why can't we progress and move forward with the rest of the world? Also look at China and North Korea. If you love warrant-less surveillance so much, why don't you go live there instead. | |
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Am I the only one who sees your sarcasm just oozing out all over your post? | |
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We do have examples of countries without the protections afforded us by the Bill of Rights. North Korea and China come to mind. Care to relocate there? | |
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i love it, please do this... it will all be great after, trust me... already experienced it first hand, but what do I know... i am not progressive enough | |
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You really want this argument? Fine, let's go. said by Gozo8:Whether you admit it or not, the 1st and 4th amendments like the 2nd amendment is crippling us. In what way? The 1st Amendment allows you to say almost anything you want and the 4th allows you to not have to worry about someone coming into your house or look through your files just because they "think" you did something wrong. The 2nd backs all of this up with force. said by Gozo8:The Boston terrorists had online profiles on facebook, twitter, etc and from all indications used smart phones but because some of us choose to hold onto a few silly outdated ideals, we weren't able to track and stop these bastards.
If Boston PD had access to a unified searchable database of all major social network profiles, phone calls, emails, text messages, recorded gps data and other communications made a year before the marathon they might have been able to type a few key words and tracked down these terrorists during the planning stages and even if they missed it, they would have been able to quickly find them afterwards.
In conjunction to a database of all communications, we as American citizens need to be able to tip off authorities without shame or fear of retribution.
We need to be able to submit profiles and locations of any suspicious persons or suspected terrorists from the privacy of our homes in a completely anonymous way and authorities should be able to have unified access to it. Any bit of information helps even if it's erroneous.
We also need to require all phone companies store GPS locations of all phones so authorities can not only know where a terrorist is going but know where they could go and they should be able to maintain these records for 5 years. Prepaid aka "burner phones" should be banned or require proof of residence to activate.
Had all of this been in place we could have avoided a lot of deaths but none of this matters to a few bitter clingers who choose to hold on to a few outdated amendments.
We have to remember, the Boston terrorists used gunpowder and guns to cause mayhem and death all thanks to the 2nd amendment. So I pose this question: How many deaths have to occur until we wake up and do away with these outdated ideals? After this rant, what would you say if someone reported you to the [police as saying things they thought were anti-American and saw you purchasing "illegal contraband." We have a reason for the checks and balances in this country. said by Gozo8:The 1st amendment allows the media to tweet and broadcast movement and strategies of law enforcement in real time and there is not a darn thing anyone can do about it which is sad.
Had the terrorists been savvier, they could have followed twitter and various online publications like broadcastify, ustream, etc to monitor the police and plan an escape all thanks to the 1st amendment. They could have listened into the police frequencies and had better info. Again, once they were known about, they were done for. Had they left the country right after the event and before they were identified, they would have still gotten away. said by Gozo8:Look at England, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. They function perfectly fine without these amendments so why can't we progress and move forward with the rest of the world? And they have just as many problems with extremism as we do. London bombing? Add to that you can't say anything bad about them or you will go to court for slander. said by Gozo8:Regardless of what the conspiracy theorist crowd espouse, our government is trying to stop these terrorists and I fully support their tireless efforts to achieve that. I'd rather be safe and secure than dead. I hear North Korea has your type of utopia. | |
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said by Gozo8:Regardless of what the conspiracy theorist crowd espouse, our government is trying to stop these terrorists and I fully support their tireless efforts to achieve that. I'd rather be safe and secure than dead. So how is that working out for you? That's right... it didnt stop it! As with many that have responded to you, I would rather be dead than to give up all my rights for their false sense of security. | |
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said by Gozo8:Whether you admit it or not, the 1st and 4th amendments like the 2nd amendment is crippling us. [...] Had all of this been in place we could have avoided a lot of deaths but none of this matters to a few bitter clingers who choose to hold on to a few outdated amendments. [...] How many deaths have to occur until we wake up and do away with these outdated ideals? Your's is one of the most cowardly posts I have read in a long time. Hundreds of thousands have given their lives to secure those " outdated Ideals". A free society is not guaranteed to be a safe society. What are you so frightened of? You do realize we all die don't you? I for one prefer to die free not wrapped in a safety blanket with a pacifier of your making stuffed in my mouth. said by Benjamin Franklin : They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety
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Go to hell. Leave this country. You are not an American. Violent crime INCLUDING gun crime is at the lowest level since 1971. Murders are at the lowest level since the early 1960's. Robbery is at the lowest level since 1965. Even auto theft is at the lowest level since the early 1960's. » www.disastercenter.com/c ··· rime.htmScroll down to "US Crime Index Rates Per 100,000 Inhabitants". You are a shill and need to seriously TURN OFF THE TV. NO ONE IS TRYING TO KILL YOU! Are a paid anti-constitution change agent or do you just do it because you are so scared shitless from watching the news 24/7? | |
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said by Gozo8:We also need to require all phone companies store GPS locations of all phones so authorities can not only know where a terrorist is going but know where they could go and they should be able to maintain these records for 5 years. Prepaid aka "burner phones" should be banned or require proof of residence to activate. Actually, what we need is cameras in every room (even the bathrooms) of every home, hotel, motel, etc, so that the government can watch us 24/7 for any suspicious behavior. I assume you'll be the first to volunteer your home for round-the-clock Surveillance? | |
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Re: I'm all for it. We live in a different world.Yeah, I say we completely disarm Gozo and allow everyone to watch him/her daily to keep them 'safe' | |
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2013-Apr-25 10:51 am
So is this more of that hope and change?I guess we all know who the hope and change was for.. hoping the American people don't hear about these slimeballs and when they do you change the laws so it's legal and the Constitution gets pissed on yet again. | |
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Re: If we all get together and form a corporation...What happens if all the major nations cease to exist and nations are only allowed to be small scale and unionized in some ways?
This means no single entity controlling a group, and the group isn't necessary a actual group that would support one another.
So in a way, "United States" is better off un-united?
What if you can do the same with Russia and China? Heck Canada easily can lose the top level government to only retain provinces even. | |
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Re: If we all get together and form a corporation...said by dra6o0n:What happens if all the major nations cease to exist and nations are only allowed to be small scale and unionized in some ways?
This means no single entity controlling a group, and the group isn't necessary a actual group that would support one another.
So in a way, "United States" is better off un-united?
What if you can do the same with Russia and China? Heck Canada easily can lose the top level government to only retain provinces even. matter of time before a new civil war breaks out here in the US The south shall rise again. | |
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Re: I'm all for it. We live in a different world.said by Gozo8:If Boston PD had access to a unified searchable database of all major social network profiles, phone calls, emails, text messages, recorded gps data and other communications ..... It would be abused! Power corrupts, and in the end you have opened up a can of worms you can no longer close. Why are you so frightened? | |
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