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Chicago, IL | WTF This is just 1 year and 1 telco! 8 Million requests! Now think of all other companies and the number of years since we've allowed warrant-less surveillance. Yikes!
Big brother is no longer just watching. He's moved into your house and is banging your wife!
I pay sprint nearly $1,000 each month. I willing to take that business elsewhere unless there's a coherent response coming out of their mouth very soon about this. I would say that my 1k doesn't matter to a giant faceless corporation...but in Sprint's case, it needs every penny!
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| Re: WTF said by kapil:This is just 1 year and 1 telco! 8 Million requests! Now think of all other companies and the number of years since we've allowed warrant-less surveillance. Yikes! Big brother is no longer just watching. He's moved into your house and is banging your wife! I pay sprint nearly $1,000 each month. I willing to take that business elsewhere unless there's a coherent response coming out of their mouth very soon about this. I would say that my 1k doesn't matter to a giant faceless corporation...but in Sprint's case, it needs every penny! lol "He's moved into your house and is banging your wife!" that chered my morning right up, sad thing is mabey some day it will come true. | |
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I know they're subject to statutory damages if they release call records without a warrant (although there are a couple exceptions which have been discussed in the context of telcos assisting NSA). But, is position information protected the same way?
If not, this seems like what happens in other industries. For example, insurance companies maintain info available through ChoicePoint about your insurance coverage, gaps in coverage, etc. Landlords submit eviction information, viewable by anyone. Lexus Nexus has all your credit card transactions.
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Chicago, IL | Re: WTF said by amigo_boy:Why should a telcom be subject to more restrictions? I would hope real time tracking of a person's movement would be subject to higher standards or privacy.
OnStar can bring a moving vehicle to a halt remotely. Cell phone companies can activate a GPS module in a phone even if the phone has been powered off by the user. We can't do this and still call ourselves the land of the free. Here in Illinois, the tollway keeps a track of how long it takes a driver to get from one toll plaza to the next...and it's only a matter of time before the state police starts issuing tickets for speeding based on that data or insurance companies get their hands on it to monitor driving habits.
I also think some of the other examples you give, lexis-nexis, choicepoint et al, are also egregious violations of privacy. There is entirely too much data about individuals that is within the control of corporations. Not all of them are ethical and entirely too many of them willing to "co-operate" with government rather than fight to protect the privacy of their users.
These corporations won't change until we demand they do. We deserve, at the very least, the same level of privacy enjoyed by the citizens in the EU.
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It doesn't bother me too much that such info is available. For example, an eviction or coverage database could save me money on rent or insurance because I've been responsible in both regards. But, it bothers me how these databases are privately owned, and often exist in multiple "background check" service providers. Even if you could find all your information, you have no rights over it (like, correcting derogatory information).
I think that impacts people in much more palpable ways than "Da man knows I hung out all day between the plasma donor and methadone treatment centers."
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Look up cell phone hacking. Your phone being manually turned off by you doesn't mean a thing. You'll have to pull the battery out to actually disconnect it from anything.
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join:2002-03-05 | kapil,
I don't know that I would move my business away from Sprint if I were in your shoes. At least Sprint is being a little open about this and is willing to make a few public statements. Companies like Verizon and AT&T are doing this with their customers as well, but are not willing to speak about it in the slightest bit. Moving your business over to them just rewards their secrecy while punishing Sprint for their "openness". (Openness is a very loose term here, obviously.)
If you (like me) strongly object to this type of stuff, I would suggest that you consider communicating with your elected representatives and also contributing to organizations that take action to protect our privacy (like the EFF). These would be far more productive.
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Chicago, IL | Re: WTF said by NOVA_Guy:kapil, I don't know that I would move my business away from Sprint if I were in your shoes. At least Sprint is being a little open about this and is willing to make a few public statements. Companies like Verizon and AT&T are doing this with their customers as well, but are not willing to speak about it in the slightest bit. Moving your business over to them just rewards their secrecy while punishing Sprint for their "openness". (Openness is a very loose term here, obviously.) If you (like me) strongly object to this type of stuff, I would suggest that you consider communicating with your elected representatives and also contributing to organizations that take action to protect our privacy (like the EFF). These would be far more productive. I hear ya'. And quite frankly, I'm not even sure how much good taking my business elsewhere would do because, as you said, all other telcos are probably doing the same thing.
I don't think the statement made by the Sprint product manager was done in the spirit of being open about these things...I really think he said too much in front of what he felt was a friendly audience. I'm pretty sure he regrets it now and the story will be whitewashed by the PR police at Sprint soon enough.
You're right, addressing the matter with my elected representatives is the proper venue to air my grievance, but honestly A) I don't know how much good that will do since the democrats are obviously just as bad as the republicans on this matter and B) as important as this issue is, there are more pressing matters at hand like the economy, the two wars, healthcare etc.
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kudos:4 | Re: WTF As long as warrants are obtained; or it is a 911 call; or the phone's owner OKs it(like giving the owner and bill payer the right even if the phone is used by an adult relative).
So far that appears to be the case. The only open question is how secure is the interface used to initiate the tracking(is it subject to auditing for hackers and rogue employees working with private dicks?) | |
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Sprint had no choice to "being a little open" about this because they got busted doing it. Kiss their butt all you want, they're still a shady company. | |
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join:2002-03-05 | Re: WTF said by imrf:And you know this for a fact of just a WAG? From the last paragraph of Karl's article:
Wired's Threat Level blog goes on to note Yahoo and Verizon's legal objections to Soghoian's FOIA request, the companies defending limited disclosure of their surveillance activities because knowing the truth would "shock and confuse" customers, and "impair our reputation for protection of user privacy and security."
I'd say that this is a good indication that Verizon is in on the game as well. If Sprint and Verizon are doing it, there's a good bet that T-Mobile and AT&T aren't far behind either. I don't know for a fact, but call it an educated guess from someone who's basing it upon an informed opinion.
said by imrf:Sprint had no choice to "being a little open" about this because they got busted doing it. Kiss their butt all you want, they're still a shady company. No arguments from me on this point. I guess the main point of my previous post should be interpreted as "Don't think that moving from Sprint makes your GPS data any more private," rather than conveying that Sprint is so much nicer and more open than all the other companies.
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join:2002-03-05 | Re: WTF If that's the case, Verizon and AT&T shouldn't be too concerned about hiding everything they're doing to cooperate with law enforcement agencies, IMO. They could very easily come out and say "We provide this on a limited basis" and outline what is required to access their data. Instead it appears that they're trying to obfuscate things.
Personally, I think that every American should have a right to know what's happening (or what could happen) with data like this. We should have a right to know who can obtain access to what data, and under what conditions it will be provided. We can call it a "customer bill of rights" or something similar.
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kudos:15 | A "ping" is not a request.
For example, if you get a GPS update every minute to track a phone, that's more than half a million "pings" in a year.
So, those 8 million requests might be as few as 16 phones. | |
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AT&T - well they wanted immunity from prosecution for illegal surveillance, so they're probably even worse. (You don't get immunity from something you can prove you didn't do)
You don't really have the choice to 'switch away from this' if you want to continue to use a cell phone. | |
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kudos:12 | Re: If nothing to hide said by El Quintron:The excuse of all abusive governments and surveillance hungry police forces... They have to do their job, which is to protect you. You can't hamstring law enforcement and then get angry when they don't find your car that was stolen or the guy who kidnapped your child. If you don't like it, turn your GPS off.
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Torrance, CA | so you don't mind being surveilled on every aspect of your life?If I am a law abiding citizen which I am, I don't want my every move tracked by someone, and am tired of the " If you have done nothing wrong" line of thought.Also define ne'er do wells.
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Today it's allowing telcos/gov't to monitor your every move without due process. Tomorrow, its:
"Spewak, we've assigned an officer to watch your every move, 24 by 7. Relax, if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about." | |
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| Re: If nothing to hide said by expert007:"Spewak, we've assigned an officer to watch your every move, 24 by 7. Relax, if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about." Thanks for making my point ex! 
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join:2002-03-05 | said by spewak:Then you have nothing to worry about. This is only of concern to the ne'er do-wells of society. Or those who disagree with the current political regime in office, whatever their views may be.
Or those who value their privacy and just don't want the government and their neighbors to know things about them that they have no business knowing.
Having nothing to hide should not be equated with being agreeable to sharing your information with others, as they are not one in the same. I have nothing to hide, yet have serious issues with this type of thing taking place. I have nothing to hide, yet do not plan to answer any questions other than "number of occupants living at this address" in next year's census. Sometimes people just want to be left alone and have their privacy-- it's a shame that this country and it's LEOs apparently disagree with this concept.
Welcome to the new society, where all sorts of ills and disgusting actions are hidden by phrases like "think of the children" and "for your security".
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| Re: If nothing to hide said by jjeffeory:What an uninformed and stupid comment here. It's apparent that this comment lacks understanding of the greater issues at hand. If you are going to make a blanket, empty comment, then please for this discussion, ELABORATE!
My opinion is that it is not invasive. MY OPINION.
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kudos:1 | hahahahah, god damn you're so stupid.
it has nothing to do with hiding what you're doing wrong, have you ever had anyone come up to you and ask you if you could get into someone's myspace or facebook account? a day hasn't gone by for the past two years that someone hasn't asked me.
people are curious, i dont care if law enforcement took an oath to do anything, MOST people abuse their power when they have it.. farah fawcett or whatever, didn't the information about her cancer leak before she told her family? | |
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| 911? Hang on, does this figure include 911 calls??
Because i would bet that if sprint traces a 911 call they record it somehow, and i dont think several million 911 calls a year across the entire country is out of the question.
I would bet that sprint automatically starts a trace once 911 is dialed, and its handed off along with the call to the 911 provider.
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1 edit | Re: 911? "...According to Sprint, the company also has to get a court order before a person can be tracked via GPS, except in "special circumstances" -- which include tracking a 911 caller, a missing person, or with a customer's consent......"
I can really understand these things being tracked, and don't have issues with such. The 911 issue can help with someone who may get the call out but can't speak or passes out in an accident, or maybe when a small child uses the phone to call 911 for a family member. Missing persons explains itself really. I'd love to see how far the customers consent one goes, especially for expensive stolen phones from people. | |
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| Re: 911? but does that mean that they're counting 911 calls as part of the 8 million?
I would feel much less worried about 8 million instances of tracking if i knew that 7 or 7.5 or even 7.99 million were 911 or missing person calls, and the rest were warranted.
Maybe they'll release a breakdown sometime? (unlikely though) | |
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join:2002-03-05 | I have to wonder if the "customer's consent" part is somehow obtained when each Sprint customer uses their Sprint Navigation application.
I know that usage of the GPS in Palm Pre devices shares quite a bit of GPS data with Google and others; I wouldn't be surprised if the authorities have somehow managed to get their grubby little paws in on the action there.
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This is garbage and you should not have posted this story and made asinine comments. For one it would be a subpoena not a "search warrant" and if you knew the first thing about Telecommunications in general you would know what a non-story this is.
highlighting 'pings' is like someone highlighting how many 'hits' their website got. It is 100% meaningless and shows your complete ignorance.
When you call 911 you have no right to privacy and you can be immediately tracked without and your whereabouts given to law enforcement no questions asked. That's how it's always been and it is no different than calling 911 from a landline. they get all the info they want just because you dialed 911.
Otherwise the two other reasons are a subpoena which is the court FORCING Sprint to give out the information and Sprint has no say in the matter, OR law enforcement has to indicate to Sprint basically that it is a matter of life or death. So if Law Enforcement says a child was kidnapped and we know who did it and will go on record saying the child's life is in danger then Sprint can give them the info before getting a subpoena but Law enforcement still needs to follow up with the proper legal documentation.
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join:2002-03-05 | News flash: the government was doing this before Bush was elected into office-- just not nearly to the extent that it has exploded into now. (Plus I think that privacy has gotten quite a lot of attention-- significantly more-- in the last 8 years.) This is not to say that I'm a fan of the DHS in any way, shape, or form (the agency is a huge waste of taxpayer money, and for the 6th straight year now has failed its independent audit).
Unfortunately none of the invasive policies appear to be changing under the Obama regime either. If anything, much of the legislation currently under consideration will take away more privacy and independence. (There are clauses in cap & trade that require home energy audits of some sort, and the potential for forcing certain lifestyle changes in diet and exercise on people is certainly there in the socialized medicine proposals.)
I agree with a few of your points-- the only contributions to politicians should come from individuals like you and I, and these should be capped at very low amounts (let's say $100/person). This would prevent political organizations and the wealthy from having significantly more influence than others.
I would go one step further though-- we also need to do something to prevent political action committees and organizations from skirting this by running "issue ads" in support of one candidate or another during elections. Since I don't like limiting free specch much, perhaps the best way to put a cap on this would be to count such ads run by organizations as contributions to a candidate's campaign, thus limiting the amount that could be run.
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Lets just hope that cell phone tracking is limited to the investigation of serious crimes and is not used on whistleblowers, jealous spouses and reporters.
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join:2002-03-05 | In the case you're discussion, though, wouldn't a person be approached by law enforcement and then give his/her consent for them to view the GPS records? This seems a far cry from what appears to be happening now, where law enforcement can seemingly get this data without particularly good reason or customer consent.
I don't necessarily have a problem with Sprint obtaining this information or storing it, so long as customers are informed and agree. I have a problem with Sprint releasing it willy-nilly for nearly any purpose without informing the customer or obtaining any consent at all.
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I agree with the willy nilly part, but I am willing to bet that the subscriber's permission is implied when they accept the privacy agreement. | |
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Galt, CA | wait......what? if your policies "scare and confuse" the general public and "impairs your reputation for protecting customer privacy" then most likely you are doin it wrong. | |
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| | Say it cant be true! I guess I will have to go dig out my old trusty Tin foil hat, Hell, I guess I need to make a faraday cage for my cell now! That would solve all my problems!... | |
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| | | Re: Say it cant be true! Ummm, what about your car? Data collection and tracking systems in there are rumored to contain the most recent 4 hours of vehicle driving data that can be subpoenaed by a prosecuting attorney when you or someone screws up. | |
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| | Uhhhhh I don't think anybody has yet proved that the VAST majority of those location pings were NOT 911 calls. You know...the FCC mandated requirement for phones to have some sort of location information for when 911 was dialed ?
EVERYBODY is using GPS. Quick - somebody find out HOW MANY 911 CALLS were made on Sprints network, THEN subtract that number from this 8 million. How many "pings" to the database are left ??
Pro-surveillance guys ? Human rights violation guys ?? Wacko tinfoil hat guys ?? How many calls are left ??????
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| | GPS Just turn of the location feature on your phone, unless you are in the woods and want to be tracked. | |
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 marigoldsGainfully employed, finallyPremium,MVM
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Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1 | Only 8 million? I don't think people realize how insignificant 8 million pings is.
Our department used this portal for a very specific use where we needed to know the locations of officers while they were away from their vehicle. We pinged 20 phones every 15 seconds for 7 days; so we accounted for 10% of those pings with just that one use.
In another such use, using a different portal than the one mentioned in the article but using sprint devices, we generated over 36 million pings last year for just our one department.
Not a single one of those pings was used to track a civilian. | |
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| | | Re: Only 8 million? said by marigolds:In another such use, using a different portal than the one mentioned in the article but using sprint devices, we generated over 36 million pings last year for just our one department. Not a single one of those pings was used to track a civilian. Which show what a NON-issue this really is....
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join:2002-03-07
Greeley, CO | Sheesh.. Yet I think it's funny they won't do anything for you in locating the card when the laptop it's in is stolen...
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Our Government didn't give a rats ass about little old lady!
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