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Guardian: PRISM Companies Paid Millions by NSA
by Karl Bode 12:24PM Wednesday Aug 28 2013
When the NSA's PRISM scandal first emerged, all of the companies involved in the spying efforts not only denied being part of any such program (given the obvious potential legal repercussions), they denied having ever heard of it. After first denying the programs, companies like Microsoft then acted shocked and outraged at the government over-reach, despite the fact leaks show many went well above and beyond what was asked of them.

New revelations from the Guardian make clear that companies not only knew about the program, but that they were being paid millions for their participation. After a 2011 ruling by the FISA court declared the NSA's domestic spying operations unconstitutional, companies started getting paid money to help with compliance efforts:
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The October 2011 judgment, which was declassified on Wednesday by the Obama administration, found that the NSA's inability to separate purely domestic communications from foreign traffic violated the fourth amendment.

While the ruling did not concern the Prism program directly, documents passed to the Guardian by whistleblower Edward Snowden describe the problems the decision created for the agency and the efforts required to bring operations into compliance. The material provides the first evidence of a financial relationship between the tech companies and the NSA.
While not specifically singled out by the Guardian, it seems more than likely that phone companies enjoy a similar financial arrangement -- on your dime.

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RWSI

join:2012-11-27
Albuquerque, NM

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Free Money

Why did we not get our piece of the PRISM pie? Were an ISP and no one contacted us. Oh well I guess nobody is watching our traffic. WhaHOOOOOO.
TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH

Re: Free Money

Same here.

firephoto
We the people
Premium
join:2003-03-18
Brewster, WA
said by RWSI:

Why did we not get our piece of the PRISM pie? Were an ISP and no one contacted us. Oh well I guess nobody is watching our traffic. WhaHOOOOOO.

That's because somewhere upstream where some of your money pays for bandwidth the same entity gets paid to allow monitoring of your customers data.

I'd guess if you polled most small ISP's in the last 5 years there would be a pattern of less requests from the government for things not related to customer storage, since the traffic can be intercepted elsewhere and an actual warrant applied after a 'good anon tip' is received by the public facing feds like the FBI.

It's a sickening system with guilty people on all sides allowing it to happen.
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Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
Because you are a small WISP that nobody cares about and your traffic probably hits one of the others at some point so you are being watched as well.

Probitas

@teksavvy.com

TPIA providers likely don't get paid

They only need pay the vendors that own lines. Your tax dollars at work. No wonder governments complain about not having enough cash and wanting to raise taxes all the time. Too bad the people in the USA have no say in the procurement process with regard to NSA funding, or they could vote that spending down.

Corehhi

join:2002-01-28
Bluffton, SC

Re: TPIA providers likely don't get paid

said by Probitas :

They only need pay the vendors that own lines. Your tax dollars at work. No wonder governments complain about not having enough cash and wanting to raise taxes all the time. Too bad the people in the USA have no say in the procurement process with regard to NSA funding, or they could vote that spending down.


The NSA is a huge monster with no budget restrictions. Look at the real estate market around DC it never crashed and prices are way up. That's your money paying for those houses. It's like kids with toys, keep giving them money and they spend every last dime wanting more. Of course all those budget numbers are a secret so we'll never find out how much is being pissed away on all this.
Crookshanks

join:2008-02-04
Binghamton, NY
said by Probitas :

Too bad the people in the USA have no say in the procurement process with regard to NSA funding, or they could vote that spending down.

Congress could shut down the NSA tomorrow if it were so inclined. Don't like the NSA? Find out where your Congress-critter stands, then vote him or her out of office if they do not stand with you on this particular issue.
HeadSpinning
MNSi Internet

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Re: TPIA providers likely don't get paid

said by Crookshanks:

said by Probitas :

Too bad the people in the USA have no say in the procurement process with regard to NSA funding, or they could vote that spending down.

Congress could shut down the NSA tomorrow if it were so inclined. Don't like the NSA? Find out where your Congress-critter stands, then vote him or her out of office if they do not stand with you on this particular issue.

Don't worry. The NSA has the goods on your congress critter, and will use that information to keep them in line. They also have records on anyone else who might replace them in the next election. Why do you think they need such a large data storage facility?
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Corehhi

join:2002-01-28
Bluffton, SC

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Re: TPIA providers likely don't get paid

said by HeadSpinning:

said by Crookshanks:

said by Probitas :

Too bad the people in the USA have no say in the procurement process with regard to NSA funding, or they could vote that spending down.

Congress could shut down the NSA tomorrow if it were so inclined. Don't like the NSA? Find out where your Congress-critter stands, then vote him or her out of office if they do not stand with you on this particular issue.

Don't worry. The NSA has the goods on your congress critter, and will use that information to keep them in line. They also have records on anyone else who might replace them in the next election. Why do you think they need such a large data storage facility?

You understand the problem.....
itguy05

join:2005-06-17
Carlisle, PA
said by HeadSpinning:

Don't worry. The NSA has the goods on your congress critter, and will use that information to keep them in line. They also have records on anyone else who might replace them in the next election. Why do you think they need such a large data storage facility?

Given that most people have a very low opinion of politicians does it really matter? I know if you told me my Senator was borking his intern I'd yawn. If you told me he was on the take from XXX or YYY I'd not be surprised.

They are all corrupt from the top down and we, as the citizenry need to remember we can vote them out. That's the best way to send a message.
SunnyD

join:2009-03-20
Madison, AL

Effective use of taxes.

So my taxpayer dollars goes to spying on me. Wouldn't it be cheaper just to ask?

meeeeeeeeee

join:2003-07-13
Newburgh, NY

Re: Effective use of taxes.

They have a "Don't ask cause we wouldn't believe you anyway" policy.

mikesco

@charter.com

They may need that money...

While the US government has put a protective wall around these companies against lawsuits in the US for those who have cooperated with them, the They can't protect them from lawsuits from individuals and privacy groups in other countries. A France prosecutor is now looking at suing the likes of Microsoft, Google and Verizon for breaking it's laws in handing over information to the NSA on it's citizens. As well they should!

JTReyn

@cox.net

Google paid for new video, SPIES GONE WILD"

I'll bet Google & Microsoft chipped in to produce the video, "Spies Gone Wild," with NSA spies dressed in black and hi-fiving each other as they crowd around a monitor going gaga watching Lady Gaga on her bedroom laptop webcam. Or Kate Upton. Or Sarah Palin. Or... does it matter? It may even be you.

I'm sorry but The Patriot Act justification doesn't wash anymore: "We're hunting terrorists. We don't need no stinking 4th Amendment."

We've got take matters into our own hands to protect what little of our privacy remains. Start using TOR for browsing, Textcrypt for text messages and Cellcrypt for phone calls. Then take everything off DropBox, Instagram, iCloud, etc and stash it all in a Cloudlocker (www.cloudlocker.it) which works just the same but stays in the house where they still need a warrant to get inside.