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HBO Wont Share Content With Netflix
'There is value in exclusivity,' says HBO's Kessler
by Karl Bode Monday 23-Aug-2010 tags: Video · business · alternatives · content
HBO hasn't exactly warmed to the broadband-driven Internet video revolution. Over the years they've been accused of poisoning copies of their TV shows available for download via BitTorrent, petitioned the FCC to make DVR recording of subscription video-on demand illegal, and even hinted at possibly suing Slingbox for allowing the re-transmission of their content. Now as Netflix streaming gains in popularity, HBO Co-President Eric Kessler tell Bloomberg the company has no intention of letting Netflix gain access to HBO content:

"There is value in exclusivity," Kessler said in an interview. Consumers "are willing to pay a premium for high quality, exclusive content," he said...HBO's stand prevents Los Gatos, California-based Netflix from gaining online access to titles from all of the major studios. Netflix members can see films from Walt Disney Co. and Sony Pictures Entertainment online through a deal between the subscription movie service and Liberty Media Corp.'s Starz channel, which has separate accords with both studios.

While that's certainly HBO's right, it's possible they could stand to make more money collaborating with Netflix than competing with them. HBO's of course protecting their new broadband-video service HBO Go. HBO Go is only available to customers whose ISP or cable provider have struck an arrangement with the company -- and right now, only Comcast and Verizon have.

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Noah Vail
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An HBO Free Netflix?

I might actually pay extra for that.

I can't remember the last time HBO offered something that I "just had" to see. Years, at least.

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Re: An HBO Free Netflix?

said by Noah Vail:

I can't remember the last time HBO offered something that I "just had" to see. Years, at least.
Sopranos, Sex and the City, Entourage, True Blood, Band of Brothers, Six Feet Under, Weeds, etc... While you may not be interested in any/all of them, all of those were pretty highly rated cable TV series when they were on (if they still aren't currently).

Edited: oops, Weeds is showtime...I knew that...
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Re: An HBO Free Netflix?

Actually, just to nitpick, Weeds was Showtime, and is on Netflix

Seems Showtime has no problem, and as a Netflix subscriber, I'm alright with that!
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said by cdru:

said by Noah Vail:

I can't remember the last time HBO offered something that I "just had" to see. Years, at least.
Sopranos, Sex and the City, Entourage, True Blood, Band of Brothers, Six Feet Under, Weeds, etc... While you may not be interested in any/all of them, all of those were pretty highly rated cable TV series when they were on (if they still aren't currently).
trueblood is the only current show, weeds is from showtime. sex and the city is now on broadcast tv. I echo the original posters sentiment that HBO has nothing interesting for years. I would watch the reruns on hulu though!

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Re: An HBO Free Netflix?

said by slckusr:

trueblood is the only current show, weeds is from showtime. sex and the city is now on broadcast tv. I echo the original posters sentiment that HBO has nothing interesting for years. I would watch the reruns on hulu though!
I knew that Weeds was Showtime. Momentary brain fart. Regardless, they have had quality series in the past and will in the future. And this doesn't include any of their specials/non-serial series.

Sex and the City is available on broadcast TV as long as you like sanitized, edited for TV shows.

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said by slckusr:

said by cdru:

said by Noah Vail:

I can't remember the last time HBO offered something that I "just had" to see. Years, at least.
Sopranos, Sex and the City, Entourage, True Blood, Band of Brothers, Six Feet Under, Weeds, etc... While you may not be interested in any/all of them, all of those were pretty highly rated cable TV series when they were on (if they still aren't currently).
trueblood is the only current show, weeds is from showtime. sex and the city is now on broadcast tv. I echo the original posters sentiment that HBO has nothing interesting for years. I would watch the reruns on hulu though!
Entourage is current too. And Curb your enthusiasm, hung. They're highly rated as well.

HBO is great on sunday nights.
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Re: An HBO Free Netflix?

I have enjoyed a couple of documentaries. My wife likes Sex and the City, the Soprano's has been on A&E forever. None of the new stuff appeals to me. I'm thinking of dropping HBO, as it doesn't have much to offer (me or my family).

On DirecTV, we can download content from many channels over internet to our DVR's. Showtime, Cinemax, Starz, even TMC, TNT, just about every channel, except HBO. It appears HBO doesn't even trust DirecTV DVR's to download off internet.

All DirecTV internet content downloads have an expiration date, and auto delete. This is not true for non-internet content. I have never understood HBO's concern about paid internet content.

Today I was watching an HBO recording about how wonderful Helen Thomas was. It came to us from 2008. When she was needling George Bush she was terrific. Somehow I doubt HBO will be doing much in the way of a documentary about how Fox News got her seat or how her anti-Semitic comments got her booted.

The interesting documentaries on HBO for me were "Hard Times at Douglas High" and a special on Barbaro. I'd really love to see regular follow ups on Douglas High and the various students.
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said by Alcohol:

HBO is great on sunday nights.
All I ever watch on TV is HBO on Sunday nights from 9-11 PM.

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They have had some good series and still have 1 or 2. But their network has gotten too expensive for many people and unless part of some premium pkg, subscriptions are declining. They should be looking to make their product more flexible and available to subscribers and not less accessible. I am very close to ending my premium Comcast subscription and cutting back to extended basic since HBO, Showtime, Starz, Cinemax are becoming less relevant. They don't even have exclusive rights to movies like they used to.

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Dont forget Eastbound and Down, Curb Your Enthusiasm, and the new one (forgot the name) with Steve Buscemi about 1930's atlantic city. Looks to be dy-no-mite.

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said by cdru:

Sopranos, Sex and the City, Entourage, True Blood, Band of Brothers, Six Feet Under... all of those were pretty highly rated cable TV series
I can't bring myself to Pay AND Suffer Commercials.

Actually I won't suffer commercials for free, either.

If they get to Netflix (or equivalent) and come with family friendly content; I'll check 'em out.

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Re: An HBO Free Netflix?

Ditto
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said by cdru:

said by Noah Vail:

I can't remember the last time HBO offered something that I "just had" to see. Years, at least.
Sopranos...
Edited your list down to this and the only thing I would add on the drama front is "Deadwood". I'm trying to watch "The Wire" on DirecTV ch. 101, but I gotta admit, it just ain't happening. "Sex In The City"? Puhlease.

And HBO has a history of not finishing their series very well, my two must-have shows attest to that. But, that's all fine and good HBO, I'll just add your series to my BD list and up my subscription to 2-at-a-time when I drop satellite early next year.

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Weeds is the only good thing on showtime. have to catch up when theres another free preview.

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Re: An HBO Free Netflix?

said by dvd536:

Weeds is the only good thing on showtime. have to catch up when theres another free preview.
I'll see your Weeds and raise you Dexter, Californication, and Penn & Teller: Bullshit. Personally I think Showtime's original series are better then HBO's.

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Re: An HBO Free Netflix?

said by cdru:

said by dvd536:

Weeds is the only good thing on showtime. have to catch up when theres another free preview.
I'll see your Weeds and raise you Dexter, Californication, and Penn & Teller: Bullshit. Personally I think Showtime's original series are better then HBO's.
totally agree. HBO has been dead for a long time . I want to drop it, but the wife loves those neck suckers. so we pay for one show, lots of repetitions and commercials
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Eh, I watch TrueBlood a few years behind, not a biggie. HBO is one of the most overrated paid services that comes to mind.
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said by cdru:

Sopranos, Sex and the City, Entourage, True Blood, Band of Brothers, Six Feet Under,
The Wire, The Pacific, Rome.....

I mainly use my Netflix account to go through TV series that I haven't seen before. Most of the ones I've watched have been HBO series. Sucks that they won't put them up for streaming but at least I'm still getting mileage out of my DVD subscription.

HBO offers a quality product. I would actually pay for it if it was possible to get HBO on it's own without paying for the 80 other cable channels that I could care less about.

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While I don't agree with HBO's position on Netflix, in my opinion, they have some of the best unique programming on TV. Even if HBO did strike a deal with Netflix, I would still be a subscriber because I'd want to watch shows when they first air.

Lets see, some of the winners HBO has had over the years that I can think of off the top of my head:

Dream On
Mr Show
Def Comedy Jam
Oz
Sopranos
Curb your Enthusiasm
True Blood
Hung
Bored to Death
Entourage

Then of course you have other gems like HBO boxing after dark.

Say whatever you want about HBO but its programming is infinitely better than 99% of what is on or coming up on CBS, NBC, Fox, and ABC
For example: (www.cbs.com/primetime/mike_and_molly/)

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Re: An HBO Free Netflix?

Man, how can everyone forget about "The Wire"?

That's one of the best TV Series HBO has ever produced.
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Re: An HBO Free Netflix?

Interestingly, HBO seems to have discovered some leniency with The Wire as well as Deadwood and Oz, since those shows are being rebroadcast in their entirely on DirecTV's Channel 101.

They certainly hold tight to their IP, though, evidenced not only by the lack of redistribution but the costs of their DVDs (and, perhaps, the reluctance to transfer to Bluray).

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Loved "The Wire"!

Would have loved to see more of that show.
There was so much good story there, they could have ran
it more than the 5 seasons.

Like most of the other posts. Starz has all the new movies.
If I don't have HBO no big thing.
They have nothing right now that would drive me to watch
their channel.

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Starz is really stepping up with the original content, Pillars of the Earth and Spartacus are really good. Plus it's on Netflix (Pillars the day after it premieres).
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still don't understand HBO Go

Ok, so I pay for Internet? Check.

I pay for HBO? Check.

Still can't access it? My ISP has to pay again so people who already have the privilege of paying for HBO can utilize the service?

I have no problem with HBO limiting their service to people who pay for HBO, but why limit it further than that?

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Re: still don't understand HBO Go

The arguement for people that pirated music for years. I already own it, so i can download it, right? EEEEEHHHHHH (cue X sound from Family Feud)

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Re: still don't understand HBO Go

said by baineschile:

The arguement for people that pirated music for years. I already own it, so i can download it, right? EEEEEHHHHHH (cue X sound from Family Feud)
Legally that's correct. In the case of music piracy, those illegal channels were instrumental in the creation of DRM-free, fairly priced legal alternatives that we have today.

If my DVR fails to record True Blood, I'm not going to lose any sleep over downloading an illegal copy of the same episode to watch it, when I'm paying for a HBO subscription.

I'm particularly averse to being double-dipped. For similar reasons, I refuse to pay AT&T extra for tethering when I already pay them a fixed cost for a finite amount of 3G bandwidth.
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Re: still don't understand HBO Go

Im not saying its right or wrong, I am just saying thats how it is.
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'Cause they have the coolest...

Vampire show!! That means they are the kings of cable....LOL
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Re: 'Cause they have the coolest...

said by TheGuvnor9:

Vampire show!! That means they are the kings of cable....LOL
Buffy the vampire slayer? She was hot. At least, I thought so when I was like 14.
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HBO was kinda cool 20 years ago...

... but these days their content is overpriced for what it is.
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exclusivity vs piracy option

I guess the figured not much to lose by keeping their content in a pretty small box and piracy must not be making that much of a dent in their overall revenue picture. Seems a tad short sighted, you would think they would want their products out on all possible distribution platforms.
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Re: exclusivity vs piracy option

I'm assuming that management views widespread distribution as a potential to dilute HBO's brand and lower the opportunity cost of its content.
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HBO rather inflexible.

How many of you remember HBO coming up with a new scheme to screw the customer. Limiting the time a program could be stored on a DVR. When HBO says times up you can no longer view the program! Scheme did not go over to well with customers. HBO changed their tune.

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Old ways die hard

I kind of find this ironic since it was HBO that kind of started the whole cable thing that disrupted the whole old OTA system.

Now while I despise pirating, ( let's face it most pirates do it because they want free shit) HBO shouldn't get mad when people who are willing to PAY them money start doing it because they make their content unavailable. Not everyone wants to have cable anymore, so why not make money off those people? Once potential customers start using the torrent sites to get their content you'll never get them to pay for your shit again. So HBO here's a tip. If someone is offering you money, take it. Don't say "No we only want your money if you watch HBO our way. Because if you think forcing people to do that is a sustainable business model you're in for a shock.

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Re: Old ways die hard

This will give pirate more reason to pirate. I don't understand why they won't do a deal they are probably just greedy and wanted more money then they're worth. I don't care for sitcoms so I can't say I really care if there on netflix or not but I think they are going to be a sinking ship the route they want to go.
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As usual, they just don't get it...

Hey HBO, in the digital age how much value do you add to your content when you restrict it's availability? Answer: zero. There is no such thing as scarcity in a bit driven world, so embrace it and discover the opportunities, or ignore it and leave money on the table.

The fact is HBO content is already available without restrictions and people (your content fans) are going to find it, regardless of whether you let them.
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The only reason I still subscribe to HBO

Is because of Bill Maher, everything else I don't care for.

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OK

Then let people pay a premium to see the content. I would - but I'm not going to pay Comcast an *additional* premium for a bunch a required channels just to watch HBO. Lose!
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Be careful HBO

You had best play friendly HBO. Your channel can easily be removed from any subscription plan. You are not lumped in with any other channel so no one is forced to keep HBO just because they want another channel as well.

I assure you that if you go after Slingmedia and its fantastic Slingbox I will dump you immediately.

Feel lucky you have my daughter hooked on True Blood. Without that I might have just dumped you on principle alone. I only need you for the boxing and I can live without boxing.

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Dropped HBO years ago

Couldn't justify the $14/month anymore for movies I have on DVD anyway.
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Re: Dropped HBO years ago

Agree to that.Who needs HBO
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it makes sense.

does HBO charge monthly fees akin to what you pay for netflix? Why would they want to lose the subscriptions and only get a fraction of the return from netflix.

unless they could make up for it, if netflix has a substantially larger base of customers?

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Really

HBO won't share content with Netflix... then HBO gets no money from me...

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HBO

Has Been On

I've had no interest in HBO since the late 1970's.
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said by n2jtx:

Has Been On

I've had no interest in HBO since the late 1970's.
Same here.
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Who cares?

What has HBO done for me?

Dick all. That's what.

Who cares what they want to do with content. They are irrelevant. There is such a general lack of decent content as it is, not being able to stream HBO through Netflix is probably a god-send, a prayer answered, increases Netflix' value, etc.

HBO - stay out of my home. Send your signals to someone who wants em'.
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Re: Who cares?

said by Tristan:

HBO - stay out of my home. Send your signals to someone who wants em'.
And if they're "On-Demand" via netflix, then anyone who "wants em" can get them, and anybody who doesn't, doesn't have to.

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I know i heard this before

Oh wait i know that sound..... sounds like a bunch spoiled baby's crying mine mine mine and you can't have it,well when my tv deal is up in a couple of months with comcast i think i will be canceling HBO, after all its my money.

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Free HBO!

Every time I see the HBO logo I think of all those dumpy motels that offer "Free HBO!" on their signs.
Talk about negative branding.
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someday the tv will be screwed bigtime

all i can say is how much i dislike digital file buying and love buying physical products.
and someday soon these studios may just decide it is time for each one to have their own "store".then they can get rid of the middlemen and sell you straight from their studios.
a disney store
an hbo store
a warner store
etc etc.............................

i will never support DRM Digital File streaming or buying.
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docu

hbo series aren't what they used to be, i can agree with that, but their documentaries and comedy specials are still top notch. I still remember all the George Carlin comedy specials, John Leguizamo, Robin Williams, those comedy specials really put those people out there. The documentaries aren't half bad either.

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