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3Mpbs... isn't that already possible with the new dsl/cable speed?
Gbps...lol. | |
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Troy, MI | Re: Current speed? I think we all need that new Sisqo router that does 400 billion jiggabits. | |
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I think we all need that new Sisqo router that does 400 billion jiggabits.
Agreed. | |
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1.21 Jiggawatts?
Duh. From a vile of plutonium unless of course you are in the past in which case you will need a direct lightning hit at precisely the right time.
Don't you noobs know anything about this computer stuff?
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| |  CorvusFlaming Tards Since 2003Premium,VIP
join:2003-11-26 | With digital TV it's something else, we are talking of QUAMS, But 3Gbps is a lot. We can usually put few HDTV on a QUAM but a QUAM cannot handle this now. So basically, if you want to broadcast this you need to span the stream on few frequencies.
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Digital video is compressed with MPEG-2 codec. An 1080i HD program can be compressed to a maximum of 19 Mbps (usually it's around 15-16 Mbps). Using QAM-256 mode 2-3 HD channels can be multiplexed. If you use MPEG-4 or WMV9 codecs bandwidth requerement is about 1/2-1/3 of MPEG-2.
1080p HD video if encoded using next generation codecs (MPEG-4) and transmitted using QAM-256 or QAM-1024 -- very doable.
Thing is that there is probably very little noticeable picture quality improvement. If it was like 4096p then of course by all means I want that. But the difference between 1080i and 1080p - is not really worth it. | |
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join:2003-11-26 | Re: Current speed? Thanks for the info, maybe you can answer this one: I've heard that 1080i is use in movie industry when working on a movie, anything about that?
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Go analog cable and your decent quality!
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join:2001-10-03
Davenport, FL | Re: Analog Cable all the way! said by Karl Bode:
I won't buy HDTV until I can get a 55" inch flat panel without having to take out a loan.
And yet looking at how Resident Evil 4 looks, I already want to get an LCD HD TV now! 
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I'm pretty happy with all optical audio and S-video connecting a DirecTivo and DVD player through a receiver to a Sony Trinitron....
I won't buy HDTV until I can get a 55" inch flat panel without having to take out a loan.
You can do it without taking out a loan. Sony and many other vendors will take your children and unused gold from your house.
I'll buy a hd ready tv and hdtv services when the prices for a decent one drop below $600 and a receiver for satellite doesn't cost $500
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| | | | | Re: Analog Cable all the way! You can get HD receivers for less than $500.
I think VOOM is still running a promotion to get the equipment for free with them.
DirecTV is offering an HD receiver for $349 for existing customers. New customers can get a HD receiver + two SD receivers and dish in a package for $299. Both require a one year commitment.
Adelphia cable is renting the HD box to customers for only a couple bucks more a month than a regular digital cable box costs per month. No commitment required. Other cable providers may be similar, but I have never checked their prices.
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Oklahoma City, OK | Re: Analog Cable all the way! I haven't looked at the local ads in a awhile but back around Christmas Comp USA was selling an APEX 50" HDTV for $999. I haven't seen it so I can't comment on the quality of the TV but it might be worth checking out.
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I'm still using analog cable, and don't see an HDTV purchase anytime soon.
Maybe HDTV isn't in your future yet, but don't expect to stay on analog cable for too much longer. Eventually analog cable will be phased out, in favor of digital. | |
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Rochester, NY | Go analog! Cheap and good IMO. I might think HD TV in about 5-10 years in the future, but right now I have no true interest in high quality television. | |
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Yermo, CA | Re: Analog Cable all the way! said by tdkyo:
Go analog! Cheap and good IMO. I might think HD TV in about 5-10 years in the future, but right now I have no true interest in high quality television.
Well I've got News for You and all those that think this way, ALL Analog Broadcasts will Cease after 2006, This is by order of the FCC. So Digital is in Your Future, Me I'm on Dish Network and It's Digital already, Best of All I don't need a New Set or Box.
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Well I've got News for You and all those that think this way, ALL Analog Broadcasts will Cease after 2006, This is by order of the FCC. So Digital is in Your Future, Me I'm on Dish Network and It's Digital already, Best of All I don't need a New Set or Box.
Not exactly. It was 1/1/2007 or 85% penetration which even comes later. The FCC indicated in March that they might count digital cable TV and digital satellite signal penetration in calculating the 85%. So yes 1/1/2007 is the target date but the 85% part is still ambiguous at this point.
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| | |  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
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kudos:4 | said by zoom3148:
said by tdkyo:
Go analog! Cheap and good IMO. I might think HD TV in about 5-10 years in the future, but right now I have no true interest in high quality television.
Well I've got News for You and all those that think this way, ALL Analog Broadcasts will Cease after 2006, This is by order of the FCC. So Digital is in Your Future, Me I'm on Dish Network and It's Digital already, Best of All I don't need a New Set or Box.
Surprise! the original date for that was 2002!. when that got here they just bumped it up 4 years which will happen again in 2006. FWIW a hi-def tuner on a non HD set isnt going to give you true hi-def reception. if you're paying extra for those hidef channels on DISHNETWORK you're just throwing money away until you get a HD capable set.
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Yermo, CA | Re: Analog Cable all the way! said by dvd536:
said by zoom3148:
said by tdkyo:
Go analog! Cheap and good IMO. I might think HD TV in about 5-10 years in the future, but right now I have no true interest in high quality television.
Well I've got News for You and all those that think this way, ALL Analog Broadcasts will Cease after 2006, This is by order of the FCC. So Digital is in Your Future, Me I'm on Dish Network and It's Digital already, Best of All I don't need a New Set or Box.
Surprise! the original date for that was 2002!. when that got here they just bumped it up 4 years which will happen again in 2006. FWIW a hi-def tuner on a non HD set isn't going to give you true hi-def reception. if you're paying extra for those hidef channels on DISHNETWORK you're just throwing money away until you get a HD capable set.
Not all broadcasts are HDTV, My Dish Network model 1000 Box is not HDTV Capable, But It does receive Digital Transmissions(480p) and then the Box Converts the signals to analog use(480i), So I think You may have a slight misconception about what is Digital TV, I receive Standard Digital TV or SDTV right now. If You don't have any misconceptions, Then please don't take offense at what I typed here. But in any case Digital TV (SDTV or HDTV) is the Future of TV Broadcasting no matter what, Analog is a Dead Duck here. Quack, Quack! 
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said by tdkyo:
Go analog! Cheap and good IMO. I might think HD TV in about 5-10 years in the future, but right now I have no true interest in high quality television.
Well I've got News for You and all those that think this way, ALL Analog Broadcasts will Cease after 2006, This is by order of the FCC. So Digital is in Your Future, Me I'm on Dish Network and It's Digital already, Best of All I don't need a New Set or Box.
You sure 'bout that zoom ? I read somewhere that because these knuckleheads can't settle on a standard, it could be as late as 2010.... | |
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Louisville, KY | Are there even any HDTVs that support 1080p yet? Mine only says 1080i. | |
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| | | | Re: Analog Cable all the way! Yes, Mitsubishi's 84" LCOS RPTV supports 1080p, full resolution.
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join:2000-10-19
Thunder Bay, ON | Re: Analog Cable all the way! and it had BETTER work nicely with a computer | |
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Yes, Mitsubishi's 84" LCOS RPTV supports 1080p, full resolution.
But be ready to drop ~$21,000 for it.
And at that price I want a small crew to take care of my house and car while I work to pay it off.
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Yes, Mitsubishi's 84" LCOS RPTV supports 1080p, full resolution.
But be ready to drop ~$21,000 for it.
When My dear Aunt passes away I'll be able to Buy that for Cash, And I'll still have enough for a Manufactured House(Garage, 2 or 3-Wind Turbines and some Land) and a New Honda Insight with all the extras(Or a Ford GT, I would need to learn How to drive with a manual transmission though), And all without one single loan payment of any type and I'll still be able to live off It too, More than $1,500.00 per month income easily, As She had to support a Husband too, But He died of Emphysema of course (She inherited His estate) and She has no other living relatives besides My Brother and I and She said We both would be Quite well off money wise, As We are Her only living blood relatives and She had No Children either. But that may be a while as She has a pacemaker and is about 87 now(Her mother died at the age of 82 years of course back in 1973) So She has out lived Her Mom by 5 years so far and She is going for 100 I hear. Oh well I can wait as patience is a virtue I guess.
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join:2001-08-05
Atlanta, GA
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assuming that thing is twice as fat as a 1080I broadcast of 19Mbps it's gonna eat one channel of analog.
just when you thought digital compression was great, we we're getting 10-12 SD's and 3 HD's per 6Mhz. now with 1080P it's back to a 1:1 ratio, that kinda sucks .
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Hopewell Junction, NY | Re: bandwidth bovine said by odog:
38Mbps on the wire.
assuming that thing is twice as fat as a 1080I broadcast of 19Mbps it's gonna eat one channel of analog.
just when you thought digital compression was great, we we're getting 10-12 SD's and 3 HD's per 6Mhz. now with 1080P it's back to a 1:1 ratio, that kinda sucks .
and it could be cut back down with the move to mpeg4.. | |
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| hdtv IS nice but... well, while I'll freely admit that the current HDTV offerings from cable and sat are pretty hobbiest, man those channels that are HD are pretty f-in amazing. I'll probably be canceling HD service for the near term, but when the cable company offers a full HD lineup, I'll sign back up. | |
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|  djdanskaRudie32Premium,MVM
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kudos:4 | Re: hdtv rocks Watching the sox or the cubs in full hdtv is sweet. I have to agree. And i don't really watch sports either. I do with the hdtv.
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Oklahoma City, OK | That's what signed me up. Sunday and Monday night football in HD. It's hard to beat when you add a couple of friends over to the house and a case of beer  .
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| | 1080p ain't nuttin' Pffbt. 3Gbps uncompressed. Whoop-tee-do.
Lets try 1Gbps *compressed*
»www.icair.org/pr/oct02/ntt.html
"SHD has four times the resolution of HDTV, and 24 times the resolution of standard definition video. Transmission of SHD via network requires sustainable high-speed connectivity of 1 Gbps over multiple "hops" without significant packet loss, delay or jitter.
The demonstration, done as part of Internet2's Fall 2002 Members Meeting in Los Angeles October 28-29, shows the potential for super high performance imaging and visualization applications over very high-speed networks.
The content, 3840 x 2048 SHD video, came from scientific instruments, computer graphics simulations, digitally scanned motion-picture films and digital still cameras. The imagery was successfully streamed from an NTT content server at StarLight, the National Science Foundation-sponsored optical exchange for advanced networks in Chicago, over the Internet2 Abilene backbone, to the USC Robert Zemeckis Center for Digital Arts." | |
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Seattle, WA | But still I don't rly mind as long as this dosn't funk up my In-Demand or my HSI, welcome 1080p | |
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Cambridge, MA | Keep in mind That's from the camera. 3Gbps streams get used in production but all the streams that you get on your digital TV are compressed. When compressed, this would probably be 20-30 mbps. Just an estimate because I know 1080i is 19mbps. 1080p would be less than double that.
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| I agree with Comcast As much as I'd like to see 1080p flourish, now is not the time to try and insert a new format. 1080i and 720p is what most of the gear out there works with.
IMHO, when viewed from accross a room, the majority of consumer TVs aren't big enough to see a enough of a difference between 1080i and 1080p. Heck, a lot of people have a hard time seeing the difference between 480p and 720p on 42" plasmas for gosh sakes. For the film material, people can always digitally upconvert 1080i to 1080p with no loss (since 1080p 24fps film can be encoded 100% into 1080i/60), just like they do now with 480i to 480p.
People with projectors would love it, of course. I'm pretty sure 1080p is the same format that digital cinema is done at. If everyone had full size cinemas for their TV viewing, 1080p would make sense. In the meantime, 1080i and 720p are sufficient. Providers are having enough trouble finding the bandwidth to support HD channels now as it is.
For now, let's focus on getting some good HDTV content available to people, and making sure that providers don't downsample the existing 1080i/720p feeds.
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Comcast has rolled out HDTV nationwide. It's available to 84% of their customer base, which will hit 90% by year's end.
Number two, what's with the 3 GB/sec figure for "uncompressed HDTV"? There is NOBODY who broadcasts or uses uncompressed HDTV. It's all compressed using MPEG-2.
HDTV uses about four times the bandwidth of COMPRESSED standard definition. It uses the same bandwidth as an un-compressed, over the air terrestrial signal, around 9 to 13 Mbits/sec.
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join:2003-12-04
Hanover, MN | Upgrades Won't cable companies have to do a major company to all of their network in order for us to see all HD channels? What would they have to do to convert all channels to HD (Bandwidth wise)? Also, what about satellite? Could some really good compression help all the bandwidth problems? | |
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Silver Spring, MD | Reference Numbers Just for reference:
Analog broadcast = about 4mbps
Digital broadcast = 19.4mbps (up to the station if they use all of that bandwith or not)
All digital broadcasts are in MPEG2, so throwing numbers of 3Gbps of uncompressed data around is pretty irrelevant.
When it comes to my experience with HDTV and having people over, I've watched some stuff with my buddies who appreciate the technology and they always immidiately see the difference. These are the type of people who have a relatively good understanding of lots of the jargon thrown around.
I've also had people who are the least bit tech savvy come over and watch (the biggest shocks always come from the women). Who when they sit down, it takes about 30 seconds for them to realize something is different. Then they make the comment that the picture is exceptionally sharp, and that's when I tell them it's because it's an HD broadcast.
I've seen women who:
1)NEVER watch sports and
2)who find the game of golf to be the most irrelevant thing on the face of the earth, but.....
3)sat and watched The Masters for 5 straight hours
and the only reason they did it, was because it was in HD
Yeah, it's more expensive, just means you have to have the foresight to save up for it. When 2006 comes around and the government takes back the analog frequencies, I have a feeling digital tv's still won't be as cheap as analog ones. Plan ahead!
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join:2000-10-12
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See some actresses have naturally God given perfect skin and beauty, but in past it was ignorred -- because cheapo Hollywood could make up a face on a ugly face ugly skined lady and promote a falce image of perfection, where no exists.
So now thanks to HDTV, God made beauties will get top dollar, and God damed Uglies will be exposed for the frauds they are.
O' BTW, HDTV exposes nose jobs and Plasic surgery celeberties. I respect only natural beauties!
In past live I was born on a World where we had ESUHDTV (Extreme Super Ultra High Def TV) when I was 4 years Old, and when I turned 30 a newere even superior technology became the standard.
So NTSC TV has been hell for me in this World, HDTV is a welcome advance, although still not at the 99 Billion pixels holographic and/or flat panel rez I am used to.
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