HSPA Hits 56Mbps Ericsson tops their own speed record... Ericsson this morning announced that they've broken their own HSPA world record with the world's first demonstration of HSPA multi-carrier MIMO technology, providing peak downlink data rates of 56Mbps (via router). Ericsson says they'll be supporting commercial deployment of HSPA gear capable of 42Mbps by the end of this year. Seeing this speeds first hand may be longer in coming, if carriers haven't already migrated to LTE before then. While AT&T says they plan to migrate to LTE, they've also stated they believe there's a lot of runway left for HSPA -- and that they'll be milking the standard as long as possible. AT&T currently has 7Mbps HSPA working in the labs, and has said they'll offer 20Mbps HSPA release 7 before the end of this year. Hopefully that means higher caps?
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kudos:1 | bullshit Now how will you ever use that speed unless you build your own HSPA chipset for your portable device?
No CE manufacturer would dare, and no GSM carrier would ever allow such a device on their network.
And this 56/42 mbps of course is shared among all the users on the tower, 5GB limits anyone? | |
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Camden, TN | Re: bullshit As long as they insist on 5 GB monthly limits and $250-$500 per GB overage fees the 1 Mbps you can expect today is more than fast enough.
there's a great deal of the country that can't get cable/dsl broadband and sateltie is a joke and these copnaies could make a KILLING by tapping into the MILLIONS of people that would like broadband but are stuck on dial-up. But no insist on 5 GB caps and what should be illegal overage fees. We have Verizon EVDO here and my friend that lvie a few miles outside of town( less than 1.5 miles from both cable and DSL by the way ) wouldn't mind giving Verizon his money since he uses them for cell service. But not at $60 a month for 5 fucking GB. | |
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| Re: bullshit said by BF69:...and my friend that lvie a few miles outside of town( less than 1.5 miles from both cable and DSL by the way ) wouldn't mind giving Verizon his money since he uses them for cell service. But not at $60 a month for 5 fucking GB. Have him check out Millenicom then. »www.millenicom.com/ They use Verizon EVDO devices and towers, no contract, no caps. Same $60/mo.
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Camden, TN | Re: bullshit said by tim_k:said by BF69:...and my friend that lvie a few miles outside of town( less than 1.5 miles from both cable and DSL by the way ) wouldn't mind giving Verizon his money since he uses them for cell service. But not at $60 a month for 5 fucking GB. Have him check out Millenicom then. » www.millenicom.com/ They use Verizon EVDO devices and towers, no contract, no caps. Same $60/mo. that site doesn't tell you if you can get it in this area. they want your name and shit. Um no. Besides expect Verizon to crack down on that shit. | |
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| Re: bullshit said by BF69:said by tim_k:said by BF69:...and my friend wouldn't mind giving Verizon his money. But not at $60 a month for 5 fucking GB. Have him check out Millenicom then. » www.millenicom.com/ They use Verizon EVDO devices and towers, no contract, no caps. Same $60/mo. that site doesn't tell you if you can get it in this area. they want your name and shit. Um no. Besides expect Verizon to crack down on that shit. Since when does Millenicom ride on the Verizon network?
That would incur an incredible performance hit versus their original Sprint EVDO. | |
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| Re: bullshit said by elray:Since when does Millenicom ride on the Verizon network? That would incur an incredible performance hit versus their original Sprint EVDO. I'm not sure when. In the Sprint wireless forum a few people who exchanged broken EVDO devices received Verizon EVDO UM175 devices as replacements. It also appears that many, if not all new customers get UM175s.
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2 edits | said by BF69:that site doesn't tell you if you can get it in this area. they want your name and shit. Um no. Besides expect Verizon to crack down on that shit. Crack down on what? Millenicom is a legit company and they have agreements with the carrier. Was with them for over a year with unlimited, no capped service. I was connecting via Sprint, but I believe all new customers now are on Verizon. I don't really understand what your deal is with assuming they are providing illegal service? If you can get a Verizon EVDO signal, you can get Millenicom. | |
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| | | | said by BF69:As long as they insist on 5 GB monthly limits and $250-$500 per GB overage fees the 1 Mbps you can expect today is more than fast enough. there's a great deal of the country that can't get cable/dsl broadband and satellite is a joke and these companies could make a KILLING by tapping into the MILLIONS of people that would like broadband but are stuck on dial-up. But no insist on 5 GB caps and what should be illegal overage fees. We have Verizon EVDO here and my friend that lives a few miles outside of town( less than 1.5 miles from both cable and DSL by the way ) wouldn't mind giving Verizon his money since he uses them for cell service. But not at $60 a month for 5 fucking GB. Yeah but innovation always seems to take a backseat when profits are involved. Sad state of affairs. | |
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| | yeah, and wimax does 70Mbps Lab tests are one thing, real world is another. And then there is the issue of providing enough backhaul.
Most of the current WiMAX devices out there now are technically already capable of 15-35Mbps - when an inch from the transmitter in a lab. They wisely market it in the 2-6Mbps for now as it is not feasible to provide megabandwidth to ever site at this time. MIMO will help with achieving higher performance, but only if the backhaul is there.
ATT will get a way with marketing 7Mbps-56Mbps devices while only providing 1-2 T1 lines to each site. There are some 7Mbps HSPA devices out there now, but no sign of anyone getting much over 3Mbps. | |
| | | | Re: yeah, and wimax does 70Mbps This is just another nail in the coffin for WiMAX...Baby's coffin seeing how they're only in two small towns. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: yeah, and wimax does 70Mbps When people can use there present devices and get fast speeds, there isnt going to a rush to wimax. LTE is just the winner, sprint days are numbered. | |
| | | | | | Re: yeah, and wimax does 70Mbps And you know this how? WiMax is already in the field. LTE is not. WiMax can be rolled out to a good share of the country before LTE even gets into a good sized trial area. And 2 cities are not trials. It's called half ass planned by VZW. | |
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2 edits | Re: yeah, and wimax does 70Mbps said by hottboiinnc:And you know this how? WiMax is already in the field. LTE is not. WiMax can be rolled out to a good share of the country before LTE even gets into a good sized trial area. And 2 cities are not trials. It's called half ass planned by VZW. 1. Economies of scale: With only Sprint and a handful of other very small companies dispersed around the planet using wimax, the cost to manufacturers is higher because they're selling to a smaller market, and thus have to expect less in sales. Their prices will either be higher to cover their costs, or they'll simply choose not to make devices for WiMax, driving competition down and consumer device pricing up.
2. HSPA: For the time being, real-world HSPA progress is capable of matching the real-world capabilities of WiMax. The OP stated that WiMax is advertised at 2-6mbps rates. HSPA can do this today also. If network operators wanted to provide 7mbps, all they'd need to do is get more T1's to their towers. Speed competition with WiMax is well within reach on HSPA.
3. Time-Frame: By the time WiMax starts hitting the higher speeds (20+mbps in the real world) so will HSPA. By the time WiMax speeds begin to surpass HSPA's limits, LTE will begin being deployed.
4. Sprint.
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| Re: yeah, and wimax does 70Mbps LTE isn't set to even be out except for by VZW and in two trial markets. You claiming LTE will be out when HSPA limits are reached is a crock of shit and can't be proven.
Sprint maybe the only provider in the USA that is going to rely on WiMAX but they're not the only one that is not going to LTE. T-Mobile isn't going to use it and instead are going to UTMS.
VZW and ATT are the only two going to LTE that are major players. Also why shouldn't sprint go into something they're banking on as far as nationwide Internet goes. It's already out world wide and its a proven technology and not vaporware like LTE. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: yeah, and wimax does 70Mbps said by hottboiinnc:T-Mobile isn't going to use it and instead are going to UTMS. UTMS is HDPA. T-Mobile will sooner or later "upgrade" their GSM system to LTE. Rest of the world is going to also. LTE is the official successor to GSM, no carrier with a GSM network will say "ok all you international GSM roamers and local pick-your-handset customers, we are going to WiMAX and you have to get new handsets that only work on our network (frequency) and have our MAC address range and we sold you". | |
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1 edit | said by hottboiinnc:LTE isn't set to even be out except for by VZW and in two trial markets. You claiming LTE will be out when HSPA limits are reached is a crock of shit and can't be proven. LTE will be out by the end of this year, and at the latest by the beginning of next year. As of now, the highest offered speeds anywhere in the world are 7.2mbps HSDPA. In the USA, we're seeing 1.5mbps real world downloads on HSDPA networks running at 3.6mbps (with T1 backhauls). That's matching WiMax real world speeds today. HSPA alone can get to 14mbps which we'll see by next year, and HSPA+ can hit 40mbps. LTE is rolling out by the end of this year. So to come back full-circle. By the time software upgrades alone are maxed out on HSPA, LTE will be out. If you include HSPA+ MIMO hardware upgrades, LTE will be established. And at the rate WiMax is going, it's merely going to continue matching HSPA's speeds. And when WiMax finally can surpass HSPA's speeds, LTE will be fully deployed, and will outpace WiMax anyways. This is why the world's operators chose LTE over WiMax.
This is all verifiable with a couple simple google searches.
»www.phonescoop.com/news/search_r···dmap&s=d
»www.phonescoop.com/news/search_r···lout&s=d
Sprint maybe the only provider in the USA that is going to rely on WiMAX but they're not the only one that is not going to LTE. T-Mobile isn't going to use it and instead are going to UTMS. Well that doesn't make sense for a number of reasons. Not the least of which is that they're deploying UMTS with HSPA right now. Nor does it make sense when they're testing LTE in Europe. Nor does it make sense when they've clearly stated that they're forgoing HSPA+ because they expect to roll out LTE instead, around late 2010-early 2011.
»www.rethink-wireless.com/index.a···e_id=705
VZW and ATT are the only two going to LTE that are major players. Also why shouldn't sprint go into something they're banking on as far as nationwide Internet goes. It's already out world wide and its a proven technology and not vaporware like LTE. riiiight. Do you even know what vaporware is? You know, even upstart MetroPCS is going to be rolling out an LTE network. And here you're saying that the totally mismanaged Sprint, who's infinite wisdom destroyed the Nextel network, is STILL bleeding users at a million a quarter, losing buckets of money, and has a new CEO every 2 years is a wise company to follow? And that all of the world's successful phone companies that are taking the LTE route are crazy for adopting crappy "vaporware"? Hey, that's your opinion, and you're sure entitled to that. It just not very logical.
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: yeah, and wimax does 70Mbps said by tiger72:As of now, the highest offered speeds anywhere in the world are 7.2mbps HSDPA. Not so. Some Xohm/Clearwire users have seen beyond 8Mbps, up to 11Mbps. Most sites do not have the backhaul to provide that much but some do and a few user have seen it. WiMAX is _marketed_ at averages of 2-6Mbps range, but it technically can do much more if there is enough backhaul and good conditions.
The 7.2Mbps claims of current HSDPA is a theoretical max in the lab, not realworld avg. | |
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Valencia, CA | WiMAX doesn't have the support that HSPA does from a vendor/handset/market standpoint.
On the flip side - carriers do not have ample spectrum to spare to currently deploy MIMO on HSPA.
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kudos:1 | Maybe forget cable/ wireline If they can do this, maybe there will be another viable home competitor. | |
| | | | Re: Maybe forget cable/ wireline not likely
I'm sure thats 56Mbps shared to everyone in range
so even if everyone held their phones next to the transmitter they wouldn't all get 56Mbps
so it would still be slow compaired to cable or Fios
maybe if they could get 300+Mbps on the tower then it would be a viable competitor but for now
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kudos:5 | Re: Maybe forget cable/ wireline said by DarkLogix:not likely I'm sure thats 56Mbps shared to everyone in range It's 56 Mbps shared to ONE station in range, with no other stations (idle or not). Still, it's a baby-breakthrough and deserves to be celebrated.
Cable DOCSIS1/DOCSIS2 has been 38 Mbps shared by roughly 75-100 subscribers.
If you can get past the latency, we're starting to tread on yesterday's DSL capabilities here. That's impressive, really, but the first few messages of this thread show the ATTITUDE that explains why it'll come more slowly than it should.
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Valencia, CA | Re: Maybe forget cable/ wireline Correct - it is feasible, however, don't forget
Voice users, and the fact that there may be more than once Docsis 1/2 channel available for use in a given area.
Assumptions:
- data is not used all the times by all users (i.e. BT or streaming has the ability to bring it to its knees)
- voice also runs over the same interface - voice takes priority.
- Similar to cable, the 'speed' would generally be substituted at some level for capacity. How many Docsis 1/2 users actually have access to 38Mbps .. besides Cablevision users.
- unlike cable, which has fixed user density (i.e. fixed nodes to fixed customers), wireless may see large variances as it is not fixed.
- signal/noise ratio can/will vary as will speeds depending of LOS, distance and materials in between.
I would personally go wireless if there wasn't a cap, or the cap was reasonable (+100GB / month).
I currently hit WiFi, and end up on MANY unlocked/unsecured hotspots. Some are local vendors that set them up that way, some are just unlocked residential 
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| Who cares... Verizon, and I assume sprint are smoking AT&T and T-Mobile in 3G coverage although to be fair T-Mobile just got in the game with 3G and, at least in Alabama, has out built AT&T with 3G coverage. If you can't even get 3G coverage in the first place then why bother trying to make it faster. Also another fly in the ointment is the back-haul to these towers. I'm lucky to get 900 Kbps down and right now the theoretical limit is 7.2 Mbps down. I just really don't get the point of finding ways to milk the protocol when the real issues of back-haul bandwidth and availability needs to be worked out first.
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kudos:1 | Like we'll ever see this in the US So where are AT&T and T-Mobile going to get the backhaul to handle this? In big cities like NYC or L.A. they MIGHT (and that's a big MIGHT)be able to pull it off, but in rural, suburban and less populated areas, forget it. They can't hardly handle what they have, and have yet to finish upgrading all their network to HSPA. | |
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