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Hawaii Pushing Major New ISP Surveillance Laws
All User Behavior Recorded, With No Pesky Privacy Protections
by Karl Bode Thursday 26-Jan-2012 tags: legal · legislation · privacy · stats · Politics · consumers
Tipped by Noah Vail See Profile
As we noted earlier this week, Senator Lamar Smith not only drafted SOPA, but he also is pushing a law that would require that ISPs track the personal online behavior of users for up to 18 months. Smith's pushing the law under the pretense of waging a tougher war against child porn, when in reality it's simply yet another in a long line of expansions of domestic surveillance capabilities. The push was a priority for the Bush/Gonzales Justice Department, and is also now being championed by the Obama Administration Justice Department.

User Noah Vail See Profile writes in to note that Hawaii is getting a running start toward the mandatory ISP tracking age. Hawaii's HN 2288 requires that "Internet destination history information" and "subscriber's information" such as name and address must be saved for two years by ISPs. Bill sponsor Democratic Rep. John Mizuno of Oahu isn't saying who pushed him to draft the bill (read: entertainment industry, intelligence/law enforcement), but he apparently didn't see fit to ensure that the bill include any privacy protections for consumer data whatsoever:

Mizuno's proposal currently specifies no privacy protections, such as placing restrictions on what Internet providers can do with this information (like selling user profiles to advertisers) or requiring that police obtain a court order before perusing the virtual dossiers of Hawaiian citizens. Also absent are security requirements such as the use of encryption. Because the wording is so broad and applies to any company that "provides access to the Internet," Mizuno's legislation could sweep in far more than AT&T, Verizon, and Hawaii's local Internet providers. It could also impose sweeping new requirements on coffee shops, bookstores, and hotels frequented by the over 6 million tourists who visit the islands each year.

As we, and at least one ISP CEO have pointed out, the biggest problem with these laws is they're creating a treasure trove of personal data that hackers will most certainly lust after.

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Augustus III
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lol

What is going on with this country?!
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This country is governed by Corp, MMPA, and other greedy GROUPS
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said by unknown3345 :

This country is governed by Corp, MMPA, and other greedy GROUPS

.....and people who have more in common with the Stasi, NKVD, KGB, Ton-Ton Macoutes, Khymer Rouge, and Sendero Luminoso than they do with the Founding Fathers.
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Sad, but true. We are further now than we have ever been from our founding fathers ideals. But not all is bad, some good has come of it. It's the nature of how ALL natural systems are self-correcting. Society is emergent, and like a snake molting or a dog getting rid of it's winter coat, we are moving forward, for better and worse. Til death mostly do us part.
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said by unknown3345 :

This country is governed by Corp, MMPA, and other greedy GROUPS

i total agree
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ctceo
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 The end.
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Oh, poor ISPs

Having the ISPs whine is kind of funny. They are already mining all that info for themselves now and already selling it to others. To hear them WORRY that data could be hacked is laughable. All that data is exposed to hackers now and ISPs do little about it. The ISPs have only 1 real concern - that they will have to archive that data longer than they usually do and pick up the extra cost of longer archiving and that they MIGHT not be able to pass on ALL the costs to customers.
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Re: Oh, poor ISPs

said by ThrowDemsOut:

Having the ISPs whine is kind of funny. They are already mining all that info for themselves now and already selling it to others. To hear them WORRY that data could be hacked is laughable. All that data is exposed to hackers now and ISPs do little about it. The ISPs have only 1 real concern - that they will have to archive that data longer than they usually do and pick up the extra cost of longer archiving and that they MIGHT not be able to pass on ALL the costs to customers.

It's much easier for an ISP to cherry pick profitable data to harvest and then pass that straight on to marketers.

I once spoke w/ an owner of a small/local ISP about data retention.
He said that the resources it would take to collect and store user access data, for any length of time, are enormous - likely beyond their financial ability.

A comprehensive record would include the dozens of hits to ad servers and tracking companies; for each page visit. They can't necessarily be excluded because savvy users can exploit those exceptions to avoid tracking.
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Re: Oh, poor ISPs

said by Noah Vail:

I once spoke w/ an owner of a small/local ISP about data retention.
He said that the resources it would take to collect and store user access data, for any length of time, are enormous - likely beyond their financial ability.

Storage is cheap, it's the management that costs money. Nevertheless, like most rules/regulations, this will drive higher prices for consumers.
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said by ThrowDemsOut:

Having the ISPs whine is kind of funny. They are already mining all that info for themselves now and already selling it to others. To hear them WORRY that data could be hacked is laughable. All that data is exposed to hackers now and ISPs do little about it. The ISPs have only 1 real concern - that they will have to archive that data longer than they usually do and pick up the extra cost of longer archiving and that they MIGHT not be able to pass on ALL the costs to customers.

Easily done with a new unfee.

"User compliance data retention fee............................ $2.17
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Easily done with a new unfee.
"User compliance data retention fee............................ $2.17

I know how much Verizon would charge.
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If Mele20 is considering a move.
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When anonymity is illegal...

only criminals are anonymous. Unless you are sending off some fresh pics of sweet kiddies 7 proxies doesn't seem worth it...but being innocent is no defense from prosecution.
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Re: When anonymity is illegal...

That's not true. Thinking similar to what you've written us here that no one is anonymous besides criminals is part of the problem!

Most people want to be anonymous in what they do in their private life. It's just that "most" people are not going to go through the required steps to remain anonymous.

I can not believe that you posted what you did. It's so "Salem Witch Trial"..
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jackboot!

Someone please help me get this jackboot Lamar Smith out of my state! I work at a very large tech company in Houston TX and I have asked around. I can't find a single person who voted for this guy.
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»impeachlamarsmith.com/
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said by axiomatic:

Someone please help me get this jackboot Lamar Smith out of my state! I work at a very large tech company in Houston TX and I have asked around. I can't find a single person who voted for this guy.

Definitely not this Houstonian.

Dave
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 Just wondering, does Rep Smith represent your district. That might be the reason no one voted for him. Just saying.
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He's a senator. Senators represent the entire state.
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Guess again, he is the representative for the 21st district of Texas.

»lamarsmith.house.gov/

How do I know, I live in his district.
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Shouldn't that be

Big Kahuna is watching you.
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Jack Booted Thugs showing their finast

I said to watch out for more...

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muck up the works with random website trawling

One thing I am thinking of doing, is create a web-crawling script that you run in the background, that randomly and continuously hits websites at all hours of the nite and day.

This would muck up their log processing to no end, except maybe by browser type, or cookies, but even then you could do things to make it hard to make heads or tails of what is bogus vs. legitimate traffic.

The tricky part is where to find valid sites to hit, but shouldn't be too hard to do..

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Re: muck up the works with random website trawling

As far as sites, download the dictionary from the Gutenberg. Parse the document for random words, the H1 layer. Google the word, scrape the sites for links and start loading the pages. Rinse and repeat.

»www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/673
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In other repressive gov news

Hawaii reveals it's rumored uranium enrichment program is a reality; but claims it's just for peaceful purposes.

This revelation comes on the heels of the successful test of Hawaii's new long range missile system.
The "Hau`oli la Hanau" (Happy Birthday) missile has demonstrated a capability to deploy multiple warheads at a distance. Tonga, Tuvalu and Easter Island have all expressed their concern and have called the tests "Spear Rattling".

Meanwhile, human rights abuses continue in Hawaii as thousands of pro-democracy demonstrators are rounded up and shipped off to the Kīlauea detention camp; which has a rated capacity to sleep up to 20.

The secretive leader of Hawaii's ruling Bizlamist Party - the Supreme Kahuna John Mizuno - made a rare public appearance today in WhereHere Square; where a gaggle of state paparazzi trailed behind and photographed him looking at things.

© 2012 Associated Reuters Reprints
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delar

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Not happening........this year, anyway

The bill was tabled.

»www.staradvertiser.com/news/brea···38156144
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