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Here Comes Sprint's Second WiMax Phone: The Samsung Epic
August 31 for $250 with 2-year contract and $100 rebate
by Karl Bode Thursday 12-Aug-2010 tags: business · wireless · hardware
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After launching the HTC EVO to largely positive reviews back in June, Sprint is now gearing up to launch their second Mobile WiMax smartphone. The Samsung Epic 4G will be available starting August 31 for $250 -- after a $100 rebate and only if you sign a two-year contract with Sprint. The device mirrors the Samsung Galaxy S family of devices, but is the only one to support Mobile WiMax and have a slide-out keyboard. The Epic comes with a 4-inch Super AMOLED screen, 1GHz Samsung Cortex A8 processor, Android 2.1 (no Froyo, yet), free 3G/4G hotspot functionality, 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi, and a 5 megapixel camera with LED flash capable of 720p video.

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It's a sweet phone...

It's specs are better than EVO, but it really needs 2.2 and I could live without the keyboard.

It may be what I upgrade my Hero to this fall, though (if it has 2.2 by then, or, dare I imagine, Gingerbread).

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Re: It's a sweet phone...

said by puck0114:

It's specs are better than EVO
How do you figure the specs are better? Slightly smaller screen and only a VGA camera on the front. Although the keyboard MAY make me choose it over the Evo if it came down to it.
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Re: It's a sweet phone...

I have to wonder if they'll sell out like they have with the EVO. You still can't find that thing anywhere around here. I'm guessing that's why the Samsung is $50 higher, since they know people will pay it.

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Re: It's a sweet phone...

said by digitalfreak:

I have to wonder if they'll sell out like they have with the EVO. You still can't find that thing anywhere around here. I'm guessing that's why the Samsung is $50 higher, since they know people will pay it.
The only reason HTC EVO is sold out because samsung can't product the screens for HTC. They're switching to their own HTC LCDs, so we'll see if the supply picks up.

Samsungs Epic has their exclusive super amoled screen, which they manufacture themselves. If they sell out, it's solely because of poor planning and bad management.
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Re: It's a sweet phone...

You are confused, samsung never supplied the screen for the EVO, the shortage samsung are AMOLED screen, where the EVO have always used LCD screen.

HTC did switch LCD supplier on the EVO, from Novatek LCD to Epson LCD

where they switched out the AMOLED for SLCD screen are on phones like Verizon's Droid Incredible

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Re: It's a sweet phone...

said by Dest:

You are confused, samsung never supplied the screen for the EVO, the shortage samsung are AMOLED screen, where the EVO have always used LCD screen.

HTC did switch LCD supplier on the EVO, from Novatek LCD to Epson LCD

where they switched out the AMOLED for SLCD screen are on phones like Verizon's Droid Incredible
You're right. I was mistaken in thinking the EVO had the same screen as the incredible/desire/nexus one because of the common shortage problem.

To clear the confusion:
Samsung (little bit from LG) is the main provider of OLED screens.

quote:
Part of the shortage problem is that the device manufacturers aren't able to get enough of the right components to make their handsets. HTC, in particular, has had a hard time getting enough AMOLED displays from Samsung; however, rather than wait, HTC is taking matters into its own hands and will begin using Super LCDs (SLCD) to a number of its smartphones, the company announced on Monday.

"HTC is experiencing high-demand for many of our phones, specifically our phones with 3.7 inch displays. The new SLCD display technology enables us to ramp up our production capabilities quickly to meet the high-demand," said HTC CEO Peter Chou.

»www.cnet.com/8301-17918_1-20011620-85.html
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said by i2Fuzzy:

The Hummingbird processor kicks the hell out of the Snapdragon, and it has a better GPU. That's about it.
Until the dual-core snapdragon processor comes along.
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Re: It's a sweet phone...

but this doesn't have the dual core snapdragon...

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said by tiger72:

but this doesn't have the dual core snapdragon...
Never said it did.
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said by Alcohol:

said by i2Fuzzy:

The Hummingbird processor kicks the hell out of the Snapdragon, and it has a better GPU. That's about it.
Until the dual-core snapdragon processor comes along.
Maybe...

I recall reading in an article a few weeks ago showing the 1Ghz Humingbird still holding its own against a dual-core Snapdragon.

Found it:

»mobilementalism.com/2010/08/05/d···evealed/

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said by swintec:

said by puck0114:

It's specs are better than EVO
How do you figure the specs are better? Slightly smaller screen and only a VGA camera on the front. Although the keyboard MAY make me choose it over the Evo if it came down to it.
I installed swype on my EVO and I'd take the onscreen keyboard over a physical one now.
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Better screen, better size (I think EVO is too big), and a better processor.

Don't get me wrong, I generally think HTC makes the best Android phones, but I might have to give this one a chance. TouchWiz probably sucks compared to Sense, but I don't use Sense and I wouldn't use TouchWiz either.

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Re: It's a sweet phone...

HTC has only been around since like 1997

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Re: It's a sweet phone...

said by Subaru:

HTC has only been around since like 1997
And?
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said by swintec:

said by puck0114:

It's specs are better than EVO
How do you figure the specs are better? Slightly smaller screen and only a VGA camera on the front. Although the keyboard MAY make me choose it over the Evo if it came down to it.
Maybe he was referring to the specs that actually matter?

While the screen may be slightly larger on the Evo, the Epic's screen is brighter, has better contrast, performs better in bright sun and has better color saturation.

The Epic also has a better cpu and a vastly superior gpu, As well as a six axis gyroscope and much better media support (it plays .mkv's out of the box!).

I doubt many care at all about the front facing camera and those that do probably wouldn't select a different phone simply because its FFC was slightly better.

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the processor is better. The Hummingbird processor is better than the Snapdragon. Has better graphics capabilities than any other processor out there (including Apple's A4).
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Not sure how to say this...

.. but is this really news? or an ad for the newest phone?

It's only natural that Sprint is going to be launching new 4G capable phones as time goes on like anything else. I mean, its only natural.

I'm sure the flaming will commence, but still, it's an honest question. Just not sure why this is front page news...

All phones come with a 2 year contract,.. many come with a rebate necessary any more, and new phones come out all the time.
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Re: Not sure how to say this...

If enough people are interested in it, then yeah, it's news...

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I'm sure when the first few LTE phones come out they will also make the front page on most tech and broadband sites.
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Re: Not sure how to say this...

Every Droid phone and iPhone release has made it on this site, so why not every 4G phone, at least the first few.

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Well if it makes you feel better, it does supposedly have free hot spot capability. Isn't that something users of this site might find interesting or noteworthy?

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said by fiberguy:

.. but is this really news? or an ad for the newest phone?

It's only natural that Sprint is going to be launching new 4G capable phones as time goes on like anything else. I mean, its only natural.

I'm sure the flaming will commence, but still, it's an honest question. Just not sure why this is front page news...

All phones come with a 2 year contract,.. many come with a rebate necessary any more, and new phones come out all the time.
Considering no one else has a 4g phone out yet but Sprint yeah it's definitely news.

Do you think Karl is getting paid to promote Sprint or something?

and last but not least, why did you make it a point to question news of a sprint phone but when Karl posted about the iPhone 4 you said nothing...

»Apple Introduces The iPhone 4

I see no posts in there similar to the one about the Epic

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Re: Not sure how to say this...

oi - some of you can't answer a question with out asking a question.

You're reading into it too much - which quite honestly goes to support many other things.. you spent way too much time trying to find something wrong with something.. if that makes you happy though, continue on.

In short - it's not news every time a hand set comes out - that's my opinion.

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Re: Not sure how to say this...

soo... you were trolling then?
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Go tell that to every other tech blog who's got the same story out there...

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Karl posts CONSTANTLY about the iPhone. I don't believe i've ever seen you complain about that.

That said, I agree that he posts far too much about particular devices.
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It's probably Internet news because it's a competent 4G phone.

When the also-rans like AT&T get 4G going, then I'm sure that'll make a news item at that time, along with whatever crap AT&T does to make it not such an exciting news item.

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Looks Nice

It's not merely similar to the Galaxy S family of devices, it is labeled as a Galaxy S device over at Sprint's Epic 4G info page.

»now.sprint.com/epic4g/

It also has a front-facing VGA camera and comes with a 16GB MicroSD card pre-installed.

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Re: Looks Nice

said by jmn1207:

It's not merely similar to the Galaxy S family of devices, it is labeled as a Galaxy S device over at Sprint's Epic 4G info page.

»now.sprint.com/epic4g/

It also has a front-facing VGA camera and comes with a 16GB MicroSD card pre-installed.
Some more info:
»now.sprint.com/epic4g/modals/features.html
»www.androidguys.com/2010/08/12/s···omorrow/

I like how it can do QIK video chat.
But like the EVO, Sprint will charge an extra $10/mo for the data plan.
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if it doesn't do well...

will they call it an EPIC Fail?

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It does NOT include hotspot for free

Sprint's Playbook says the hotspot is optional and is $29. 99 per month....
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Re: It does NOT include hotspot for free

Thats not a surprise, its exactly what they did with the EVO. Still, Im sure everyone will see the greater value in PDAnet.

As for the $10 premiums for 4G on the Epic and the Evo. Im torn. I feel that if you are in an area that gets 4G the increase is fine. Those that arent kinda get ripped off. Though I guess Sprints idea is they might travel into a 4G area so charge them for it anyway.

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Re: It does NOT include hotspot for free

Supposedly the $10 fee also gives you truly unlimited 3G as well. Even with that fee, they're still quite a bit cheaper than Verizon's 3G only service.

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said by Nesse:

Thats not a surprise, its exactly what they did with the EVO. Still, Im sure everyone will see the greater value in PDAnet.

As for the $10 premiums for 4G on the Epic and the Evo. Im torn. I feel that if you are in an area that gets 4G the increase is fine. Those that arent kinda get ripped off. Though I guess Sprints idea is they might travel into a 4G area so charge them for it anyway.
No, it's because they are expanding their 4g coverage all over the country and they don't want to have you only pay the $10 when it's available to you. This is easier than adding a $10 charge later and having people call 611 to complain.
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phone I've been waiting for

yeah it has slide-out keyboard (in addition to onscreen) and super amoled screen, but what will probably destinguish this phone from the EVO is the graphics acceleration and performance power it has to run and accelerate the applications. there's some videos over on I think engagenet that show how smooth the user interface is when making transitions from screen to screen and scrolling and moving around, plus it has the power to do 3D games with full acceleration. it'll be one of the snappiest Android phones to date...
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Pro

this is the Galaxy s Pro as it has the front camera and keyboard. The display is what makes this phone. It looks 10x better than the EVO or Droid X because of the super amoled screen. I love my captivate minus the gps issue. It will be interesting to see if this phone has the same problem

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said by GLIMMER:

this is the Galaxy s Pro as it has the front camera and keyboard. The display is what makes this phone. It looks 10x better than the EVO or Droid X because of the super amoled screen. I love my captivate minus the gps issue. It will be interesting to see if this phone has the same problem
gps issues have been fixed. check xda developers.
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Re: Pro

not on the captivate there is still no fix sammy confirmed when i called them this afternoon.

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said by GLIMMER:

not on the captivate there is still no fix sammy confirmed when i called them this afternoon.
Maybe not officially, that's why i suggested xda developers.
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hotspot not free

there article states if free gotspot it is not free its 29.99 per month
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Re: hotspot not free

Woooo Preordered mine already. Can't wait! Still hate the fee though, but the morons that rushed out to buy the EVO first day have already dictated the fee...

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preordered for myself or my wife last night. I might still go for the EVO but I think we both will like the Epic.

Plus where we live in Utah we have 4G coverage
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4G?

I get so sick of Sprint's use of the 4G tag. Their network is far from 4G - no one is even close.
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Re: 4G?

WiMAX is clearly without question on the 4G framework and strategic path, but the specific definition of 4G hasn't really been ratified. It's not full 4g implementation but it's generally on that path more than others, so they can get away with calling it that.

More importantly, WiMAX is not on legacy telcom infrastructure as 3G is. So if it's not 3G, it's naturally a number higher.

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Re: 4G?

said by xenophon:

WiMAX is clearly without question on the 4G framework and strategic path, but the specific definition of 4G hasn't really been ratified. It's not full 4g implementation but it's generally on that path more than others, so they can get away with calling it that.

More importantly, WiMAX is not on legacy telcom infrastructure as 3G is. So if it's not 3G, it's naturally a number higher.
And who gives a flip what "strategic path" a company is on. When they advertise 4G speeds but real-world examples show it to be less stellar than a competitor's 3G speeds, that's annoying.
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Re: 4G?

Well not really 'less'. I get 15Mbps at times and others have shown over 20Mbps on Clear. HSPA+ can also do that but can it do that shared with many users? WiMAX is at the beginnings of 4G not yet fully realized. HSPA is at the tail end of 3G, still on legacy telcom infrastructure.

It's not just about raw performance in a lab, it's about managing many users at once at that level as well as future capabilities. WiMAX is on that path but isn't fully realized yet. WiMAX 2 and future LTE could technically do 1Gbps if the spectrum is there, which Clear does have.

It's not misleading to call WiMAX 4G, but it's fair to say the current implementation hasn't surpassed 3G+ yet.

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Re: 4G?

said by xenophon:

HSPA+ can also do that but can it do that shared with many users?
Yes, and it has been demonstrated in independent tests that Sprint doesn't even run the fastest network of the major carriers, yet here they are trotting out their '4G' marketing materials as if we won't notice.

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is this correct?

Free hotspot functionality?
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Android phone market share

Via androidpolice.com...

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What? No mention of the famous $10 premium data fee?

It is a shame that listing the price of phone w/o listing the famous $10 "premium data fee"?

For those of your don't know, the "premium data fee" add nothing to your services. This is just another way to charge you for the hardware. So the true cost of ownership is 250 + 240 = 490, if you own the phone for exactly 2 years.
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Re: What? No mention of the famous $10 premium data fee?

said by cw30000:

It is a shame that listing the price of phone w/o listing the famous $10 "premium data fee"?

For those of your don't know, the "premium data fee" add nothing to your services. This is just another way to charge you for the hardware. So the true cost of ownership is 250 + 240 = 490, if you own the phone for exactly 2 years.
I don't think building a wimax nationwide network costs nothing, sprint does own 51% of clear however many billions of dollars that is..

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AMOLED

AMOLED does not perform better in the sun. It's terrible in the sun...

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Re: AMOLED

The TFT on the EVO is plenty bright at 100% in direct sunlight.
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Re: AMOLED

Yep, I've surprised people with how easy to see in the sunlight the EVO's screen is.

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Re: AMOLED

said by talz13:

Yep, I've surprised people with how easy to see in the sunlight the EVO's screen is.
Same here. I have no idea how I lived without my EVO- the phone is a godsend.
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Galaxy S is Super AMOLED and performs very well in the sun.

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I've tried the best LCD screens in broad daylight and the Samsung Super AMOLED blows every single one of them away. There is simply no comparison. Anyone who says otherwise simply hasn't seen the Super AMOLED.

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