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kudos:4 |  480 x 272 not impressive anymore
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Hanover, PA | Re: 480 x 272 not impressive anymore Xbox PortableZune Phone has the same res as the PSP. | |
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| | | | Re: 480 x 272 not impressive anymore And the PSP has a very low resolution screen for its size. What's your point? | |
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| | |  en102Canadian, eh?
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Valencia, CA | Re: 480 x 272 not impressive anymore should be 480x720 not 480x272 to be considered a decent screen these days. | |
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join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA | Sign me up I'll defintely get one one. If it has the OLED screen and is available on Verizon. | |
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join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | Is Zune still synonymous with DRM? Having been a loyal Windows Mobile user since the first Compaq Ipaq, I expect that my Samsung i760 will be my last one. What I'm looking for is more akin to the Nexus One but on Verizon's network. I want that 1000 MHz processor (compared to the Droid's 400 MHz one). That Microsoft is merging the Windows Mobile idea with the Zune idea gives me pause.
Zune, as a brand, has always meant DRM. Windows Media Player on Windows Mobile was not DRM-free, to be sure, but when people talk about their Zune, they sooner or later get around to a story relating to its DRM.
The funny thing is I seldom do anything that would involve DRM (I'm not a big fan of today's music nor do I stream a lot of video). It's just the thought that the thing is built to circumvent its owner that turns me right off.
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| | | Re: Is Zune still synonymous with DRM? said by funchords:I want that 1000 MHz processor (compared to the Droid's 400 MHz one). Splitting hairs, but the Droid has a 550MHz ARM Cortex A8, down-clocked from 600MHz. Or course, your point about the Nexus One being faster still stands. | |
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kudos:5 | Re: Is Zune still synonymous with DRM? Thanks for the correction. I was going by my (faulty) memory.  | |
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Hilliard, OH | Re: Is Zune still synonymous with DRM? Not to mention the Arm A8 @ 600mhz has beat the Snapdragon at 800mhz pretty handily in benchmarks....meaning the 1Ghz snapdragon isn't that much faster than the A8 in the Droid. Oh, and you can overclock the droid too if it's that important | |
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kudos:5 | Re: Is Zune still synonymous with DRM? said by beaups:Not to mention the Arm A8 @ 600mhz has beat the Snapdragon at 800mhz pretty handily in benchmarks....meaning the 1Ghz snapdragon isn't that much faster than the A8 in the Droid. Thanks for that input. Can you point to a link so that I could read more? The speed difference is really my only hang up right now.
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: Is Zune still synonymous with DRM? said by funchords:said by beaups:Not to mention the Arm A8 @ 600mhz has beat the Snapdragon at 800mhz pretty handily in benchmarks....meaning the 1Ghz snapdragon isn't that much faster than the A8 in the Droid. Thanks for that input. Can you point to a link so that I could read more? The speed difference is really my only hang up right now. Just Google it, they are everywhere. I'd just wait for 2.1 to be released on the Droid, as the Nexus One is running 2.1. I've hacked it onto mine before and it's dramatically faster than 2.0.1.
The Snapdragon implements certain features of the Cortex A8, but think of it like the Core 2 Duo vs. the i7. They are both ARM, but the Cortex is a much newer generation technology. Additionally, the Droid uses a discrete GPU, whereas the Snapdragon-class processors pull double duty as CPU/GPU. | |
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Arlington, VA | said by funchords:said by beaups:Not to mention the Arm A8 @ 600mhz has beat the Snapdragon at 800mhz pretty handily in benchmarks....meaning the 1Ghz snapdragon isn't that much faster than the A8 in the Droid. Thanks for that input. Can you point to a link so that I could read more? The speed difference is really my only hang up right now. You might want to consider the screen as well. The Nexus One has some back-lighting issues with it's OLED screen in direct sunlight. The droid also has a (imo a crappy) hardware keyboard, but some people like that. As I mentioned before as well, the droid has a more highly praised radio (not to mention the nexus one 3G issues).
There are PLENTY of comparisons online. Moto droid is for verizon whereas nexus one is for Tmobile (unless you can pay a fortune). It's coming to verizon this spring though.
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| | | Probably, with the way these guys like to control their "quality" content. DRM needs to die. I'm like you, waiting for nexus one on VZW. | |
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| | | Windows mobile uses flash and lets you install programs online. I think you have Microsoft confused with Apple. | |
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join:2007-01-18
Warner Robins, GA | Re: Is Zune still synonymous with DRM? Well technically the iTS only has DRM on video and apps… and you can install apps directly onto the phone from the store without a computer. DRM is hardly a problem on the iPhone unless you're trying to pirate apps. | |
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Elmhurst, NY | Re: Is Zune still synonymous with DRM? said by Count Zero:Well technically the iTS only has DRM on video and apps… and you can install apps directly onto the phone from the store without a computer. DRM is hardly a problem on the iPhone unless you're trying to pirate apps. I think you misunderstand - he meant Windows Mobile allows you to install from sources outside of the online store - like directly from 3rd parties or 3 party stores - just like the Blackberry. | |
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1 edit | Re: Is Zune still synonymous with DRM? I see - I just meant that using the iPhone doesn't absolutely require the use of a computer to install native applications - so long as they're approved by Apple (which has become a MUCH better process lately than it was the first few months) and people can put links on websites or MMS that link directly to their application in the iTunes Store and the iPhone will automatically launch the App Store application and go to the installer page for that application - which probably mimics the ease of doing so on a WinMo or BB without using their store.
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| | | | | | | Re: Is Zune still synonymous with DRM? The difference is the iPhone only allows you to install from the store, whereas the other platforms allow you to install from anywhere. | |
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join:2003-08-11
Hilliard, OH | Re: Is Zune still synonymous with DRM? Or if you spend 60 seconds to jailbreak you can install from any store you like. The apple control argument just isn't that valid.
Everyone forgets the "open" os's (ie android) also have this happening (albeit not as controlling as apple). You must root your android phone to do much of the cooler stuff. | |
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join:2001-09-30
Santa Rosa, CA
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| Re: Is Zune still synonymous with DRM? said by beaups:Or if you spend 60 seconds to jailbreak and void your warranty. Thanks but no thanks.
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| | | | | | | MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | said by beaups:Or if you spend 60 seconds to jailbreak you can install from any store you like. The apple control argument just isn't that valid. Everyone forgets the "open" os's (ie android) also have this happening (albeit not as controlling as apple). You must root your android phone to do much of the cooler stuff. No you don't. I can do everything I could do on my jailbroken iPhone, the only reason I had to root was to hack the 2.1 release onto my phone. There is even a checkbox to allow non-Android store app installations right in the default OS.
Simply downoad the .apk, copy it to your SD card (by mounting your phone directly in your OS no less), and install it. | |
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Elmhurst, NY | said by beaups:Or if you spend 60 seconds to jailbreak you can install from any store you like. The apple control argument just isn't that valid. The Apple control argument isn't that valid because all it takes is to jailbreak your phone? You're kidding me with that statement, right?
In any case, you're choosing "open" os's in your example that aren't really open. WinMo, BB, Nokia - those are the real open os's whenit comes to installing apps. This is also the reason why you can stream Slingbox over 3G on those 3 phones while you can't on the iPhone. | |
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Warner Robins, GA | I guess that I just haven't found that to be a limiting problem since the app store has everything I want in it, the programs that I would like to see made for the iPhone don't exist outside the app store either so… | |
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| JSYPremium
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Elmhurst, NY | I don't understand.. How is Zune any more synonymous with DRM than iPod/iPhone is? They are both built on basically the same sales/marketing model with the exception that the Zune has the Zune Pass option? | |
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| Re: Is Zune still synonymous with DRM? People harp on this for some reason. Most of the Zune marketplace music is available for purchase in non-DRM format (mp3). The subscription music, something itunes doesn't offer, is DRM'd. I challenge anyone to figure out a method of offering a subscription-based model that allows unlimited downloads for a flat fee per month without DRM. | |
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Elmhurst, NY | Re: Is Zune still synonymous with DRM? said by squison:I challenge anyone to figure out a method of offering a subscription-based model that allows unlimited downloads for a flat fee per month without DRM. I don't think figuring that out is the problem - it's getting the RIAA and music industry to fall for it, which I can't see without an exorbitant fee. | |
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join:2001-03-29
Calgary, AB
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| I don't understand this either as if DRM is evil, then itunes is the very devil himself as I've never had a restriction problem using MP3's off my Windows computer(s), Windows Media Server, Windows mobile phone or whatever. Evidence one again of Apple's marketing control over its fan base I guess.
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join:2002-05-18
Arlington, VA | Hands on, the motorola droid (550 Mhz) feels almost as fast as the Nexus one (1Ghz). They're running the same OS and feel about the same speed. The droid as of right now is arguably a better phone considering it's better radio by motorola. I don't have either one, but hands-on there's not much difference. Sometimes it's not only the specs on the paper. | |
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join:2001-08-07
Elk Grove, CA
kudos:1 | I'll wait.. I will wait for the 2nd Gen. Zune HD phone. I wanna hear my bitch yell at me in true HD! 
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The leak said:
Display: WVGA (800×480) or FWVGA (854×480) 3.5” or greater diagonal
»www.intomobile.com/2009/05/12/mi···eak.html | |
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