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Hey Santa, The Disc Is Dead
Gartner urges music industry to go digital first
by Karl Bode Tuesday 23-Dec-2008 tags: business · alternatives · content
Gartner Research is advising the music industry that by Chrismas 2009, they should be embracing a "digital first" approach to music sales, leaving the CD in the digital dustbin. According to Gartner, physical music revenue went from 91% of overall sales in 2005 to 77% in 2007. That's a trend that's only going to accelerate, with the firm stating that 77% of US households are expected to have broadband internet by 2012. Gartner's thoughts don't seem particularly original, but they are worth reiterating:

"By propping up the CD business, rather than fully investing in online distribution alternatives, the major labels and the larger music industry have neither succeeded in stamping out piracy nor done much to recreate the business models of the old 'record business,'. Music labels should instead emphasize 'digital first,' making all new releases and catalog issues via digital services and moving CDs to an on-demand publishing mode."

Of course the music industry is currently attempting to turn ISPs into content nannies while exploring a piracy tax on broadband customers -- so they are embracing digital. They're just doing it slowly and in that charismatic, music industry way.

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ninjatutle
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Music subscriptions

Thats the future...

NetAdmin1
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Re: Music subscriptions

said by ninjatutle:

Thats the future...
Gad, I hope not. I want to pay for an album once, not over and over again.
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Michail
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Re: Music subscriptions

A subscription service is so much more than that!

However, it's not for people that only like a few songs or don't like to explore various artists and genres.

I look at it as I have access to anything ever made, wherever I am. Dynamic playlists, custom channels, no storage worries, etc. Well, anything ever made that the label hasn't revoked from legal distribution.

I would also like to see DVDA and SACD continue on for the higher definition multi-channel recordings.
Kearnstd
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Re: Music subscriptions

said by Michail:

A subscription service is so much more than that!

However, it's not for people that only like a few songs or don't like to explore various artists and genres.

I look at it as I have access to anything ever made, wherever I am. Dynamic playlists, custom channels, no storage worries, etc. Well, anything ever made that the label hasn't revoked from legal distribution.

I would also like to see DVDA and SACD continue on for the higher definition multi-channel recordings.
DVDA has more potential imo, simply because there is already an installed base of DVD players and not many SACD(i think SACD support isnt in all the PS3s anymore).
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I hope not I'm not a fan of MP3s. But that aside in my opinion Gartner is about as reliable as a weegie board.

SRFireside

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Not THE future, but another viable alternative for music fans. To be honest there should be room for all of this. CDs, MP3s, LP records, subscriptions... they are all valid mediums. Now that we have done away with 8-track and cassette tapes (mediums with fast degradation) we are free to pursue all these possibilities.

CD - A lossless hard copy that can't be accidentally erased. Best audio quality (more so if you count 24bit audio and DVD audio).

Vinyl LP - A true analog medium. Many people prefer the dynamic range and frequency response of records, calling it a "warmer" sound than digital recordings.

MP3 - Compressed audio that still has a lot of the same quality. Compact data size that's great for portable music enjoyment and can be moved with ease.

Subscription - Take a taste of all sorts of music all the time. Problem is with many current services you don't own the music. Once your subscription is up the music is gone.

waffleburger

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no cd's

i havent bought a CD in 8 years....besides death magnetic.

but only 'cause the box was cool. otherwise i would've...erm..

used uTorrent to acquire the music.
beaups

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Disc is dead

Of course the disc is dead, they are harder to steal...

Alex G Bell

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Are You Serious?

Ha! What has the author of this article been smoking? The "latest" thing in recorded sound is the revitalization of the LP! They are selling like hotcakes, along with turntables, yes I said "turntables." People have decided that they just like to hold something tangible (album cover) and listen to listenable analog sound.

Some listeners even are trying to bring back the 78! Check out this month's Stereophile magazine if you don't believe me: »www.stereophile.com/
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Re: Are You Serious?

said by Alex G Bell:

Ha! What has the author of this article been smoking? The "latest" thing in recorded sound is the revitalization of the LP! They are selling like hotcakes, along with turntables, yes I said "turntables." People have decided that they just like to hold something tangible (album cover) and listen to listenable analog sound.

Some listeners even are trying to bring back the 78! Check out this month's Stereophile magazine if you don't believe me: »www.stereophile.com/
Yes the LP is making a comeback of sorts, but that has nothing to do with digital that is coming at the expense of CD sales. People that rather not have digital music want LPs not CDs. The author's point is still very valid. peole like me that don't give 2 shits about album art are fine with digital, those that like album art rather see on a 12 inch ALBUM not a 6 IN CD case.

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said by Alex G Bell:

Ha! What has the author of this article been smoking? The "latest" thing in recorded sound is the revitalization of the LP! They are selling like hotcakes, along with turntables, yes I said "turntables." People have decided that they just like to hold something tangible (album cover) and listen to listenable analog sound.

Some listeners even are trying to bring back the 78! Check out this month's Stereophile magazine if you don't believe me: »www.stereophile.com/
I grew up listening to vinyl records and reel-to-reel tapes--from cheap mono to somewhat less cheap stereo, from pristine brand new to scratchy, well, vinyl. As far as "selling like hotcakes" goes, all I can say is "There's a sucker born every minute". The "vinyl sound" is fine if that's what you like, but you are listening to the needle scrolling through the groove, too... not just the music (and some people like that better). CDs are hardly perfect--it's not like they're DAT; the sampling rate is relatively low, but still high enough to give a "just the music" sound superior to vinyl (or non-DAT [tape]). So, if "digital first" becomes the wave of the future for distribution, will the sound quality equal the "lossless CD" sound? I doubt it. (Not that I care... I wouldn't buy or acquire in any way anything from an RIAA member artist. They aren't worth my time or money.)

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said by Alex G Bell:

Ha! What has the author of this article been smoking? The "latest" thing in recorded sound is the revitalization of the LP!
Grandpa? Is that you?
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the main issue with turntables is can they come down in price? a good one is much more expensive then a good CD player and cant seek to a track.
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Re: Are You Serious?

said by Kearnstd:

the main issue with turntables is can they come down in price? a good one is much more expensive then a good CD player and cant seek to a track.
Sure they can! You raise the cue lever, move the tone arm to another location and lower the cue lever! Maybe a tad bit slower than a CD, but still works!
Desdinova
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"...and cant seek to a track."

If you believe that then you haven't been paying attention...
»www.laser-turntable.com/Turntabl···able.htm

SRFireside

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said by Alex G Bell:

The "latest" thing in recorded sound is the revitalization of the LP!
Latest? Feh... the "vinyl is coming back" song has been played for the last five years at least. Yes people are buying LP records and turntables. Yes sales are up. No the LP is not overtaking sales for either CDs or digital downloads. No the LP is not the wave of the future. Vinyl is worth having around and has its place, but it will never be the powerhouse it used to be.

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Re: Are You Serious?

Right, but here is the primary reason why LP's made a comback...which are the same reasons the CD will be around for much longer than we think.

The LP analog format captured captured the entire spectrum of the recorded media. So if the engineer did a great job mastering, the LP will reproduce close to 99% of that original master tape. Pair a good turntable with a high fidelity stylus and cartidge and you are good to go.

The statement LP's are better than CD's is true (only for a specific time period) because the LP was created from an analog media. Many reissued CD's made from recordings mastered on analog tape do not capture the entire essence of the original due to sampling and compression. Many studios did not adopt digital recording equipment up until the mid 90's or so. My collection of LP's stops at around 1989. This is the period the LP rules.
One example is Boston's Don't Look Back. Compare the LP sound versus the CD reissue. BIG difference! Remasters have been better than the reissue CD, but not by much. Here the LP is king.

CD's produced from digital recordings are a great blessing! These do not alter the master medium. So it is a good thing.

Audiophiles for the most part do not go for digital downloads because the format is lossy, even if it is an MP3 at 320kbps. For an MP3 to me manageable for downloads, digital "holes" are poked into the file. You lose a lot of frequencies.

A normal listener will not care one way or another.

If I have to create MP3's to carry in my Sansa (no iPUD here...misspelling is intentional) or my car, I create them from CD's and LP's I have bought. As a studio musician, I know where the monies go to on music sales and I want my fellow musicians to get paid too.

I do not see the demise of red book CD's. And like Alex said here, listeners like to have a tangible item...to read credits, to look at the album art, to get an autograph, to know things about the recording.
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Re: Are You Serious?

said by Slidetbone:

CD's produced from digital recordings are a great blessing! These do not alter the master medium. So it is a good thing.

Audiophiles for the most part do not go for digital downloads because the format is lossy, even if it is an MP3 at 320kbps. For an MP3 to me manageable for downloads, digital "holes" are poked into the file. You lose a lot of frequencies.

A normal listener will not care one way or another.
While digital masters can be a good thing many Rock / Pop CDs made in the past decade have terrible mastering with little or no dynamic range. People who mostly listen to mp3s probably don't notice or care but audiophiles will. Maybe if the CDs produced in the past decade were of better quality many more people would have noticed the audio deficiencies of the mp3.
Desdinova
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There are some very compelling arguments about vinyl STILL being superior to CDs (though to achieve that level of quality is problematic to say the least).

LPs have a much wider frequency response than CDs (once again assuming a playback system with a quality stylus, proper tracking weight, good pre-amp, amplifier, speakers, etc. I'm also excluding some of the audiophile formats such as SACD). While it's true that CDs capture the range of audible tones (for humans), there are frequencies beyond human hearing (in the ultasonic) that can radically affect the transmission and shape of the lower (audible) frequencies. This "natural" distortion can play a huge part in creating an immersive, authentic playback environment.

However, most listening environments preclude such critical and balanced playback, not to mention the inconvenience factor, so the benefits for the average listener are pretty much nil. I remember reading several white papers on this published in Japan about ten years ago.

Still, since the subject of theoretical quality was raised...

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Re: Are You Serious?

I think (? ) the real point is that CDs were never designed to provide the best sound quality possible. They were simply meant to solve/simplify a manufacturing and distribution problem/process. Digital is just as capable as analog of producing the "ultimate" sound quality short of live performance (especially with cost being a factor). (Is it live or is it Memorex?) CDs were simply the result of decisions regarding how to provide a superior combination of sound, simplicity, and "life" (vinyl and tape wear out with use) at an acceptable price (or more accurately, profit). CDs were a means to an end; "digital" is capable of much higher quality than that which CDs deliver.
Desdinova
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Re: Are You Serious?

No arguments here! I should have been clearer about what I meant when I said "CD"; I was referring to the red book standard of the 44.1 kHz sample rate and not the potential for digital signal collection on an optical disc. Digital has the potential to collect an analog waveform with 100% accuracy, but the file size (depending on the signal length being collected) would be quite large and completely inconvenient for consumer use!

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said by Alex G Bell:

Ha! What has the author of this article been smoking? The "latest" thing in recorded sound is the revitalization of the LP!
The LP is coming back in the same way fiesta ware and the accordion camera are coming back. It's a cult following; mainstream consumers aren't buying LP's.
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The latest in audio technology...

BIGMIKE
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Re: Are You Serious?

1877 - Thomas Edison invents the phonograph, the first medium for recording and playing back sound. It used cylinders instead of discs

1887 - Emile Berliner invents the gramophone, the first flat record player

1900 - Eldredge Johnson perfects mass duplication of pre-recorded flat record discs

1906 - RCA Victor introduces Victrola model record player, which had variable turntable speed control that accommodated the wide range of records produced at the time

1908 - Columbia introduces the first double-sided phonograph records

1912 - Disc recordings become more popular than cylinder recordings

1924 - Electrical records replace acoustic discs

1928 - The 78.26 rpm speed becomes standard for all phonograph records.

1946 - German magnetic tape recorders are copied for commercial use by AMPEX

1948 - The 33 1/3 LP is introduced by Columbia

1949 - RCA Victor introduces large-hole 45 rpm records. It became the preferred medium for singles

1952 - The Recording Industry Association of America is formed.

1955 - 12" LPs become more popular than 10" LPs

1962 - Multi-track analog tape recording begins in recording studios

1963 - Phillips develops compact stereo tape cassettes and players

1982 - The compact disc is introduced. The first CD is released in Japan. It is Billy Joel's "52nd Street."

1983 - The first CDs are released in the United States

1986 - CDs overtake LPs as top-selling medium in the United States

1999 - Recordable CD-R discs become available

2000 - Napster is created. This is also the first year that recording sales declined, and the recording industry blames online music sharing.

2001 - Napster is slapped with a lawsuit by the RIAA. In October, Apple introduces its iPod portable music player.

2003 - Apple introduces its online music store iTunes, offering free music downloads at 99 cents per song.

2006 - In February, iTunes sells its billionth song.

2007 - Just over a year later, in July, iTunes crosses the 3 billion songs sold mark.

- Media Management Group
Desdinova
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The Disc Is Dead...Sort Of.

As a method of content delivery for smaller collections of data, the disc is dead. For larger ones, I'm not so sure. I suspect that, owing to its smaller size, folks are more comfortable with buying online delivery of content that's under a gig in size.

For larger items such as movies, video games, etc. I think that most consumers would prefer to purchase a physical disc: it saves bandwidth (assuming the consumer HAS the bandwidth to receive such a large file), HD space, etc. Ultimately, the final resting place of the content will be on a disc anyway (if for no reason other than as a back-up) so why not get it in that form to begin with? This doesn't even address the potential issues of game systems or other hardware that has issues playing a burned disc versus a pressed one. And for those small few that have Blu-Ray, then DOD becomes incredibly prohibitive (and yes, I know it's possible to get HD rips that are much smaller than a full disc, but we're talking about retail content and not after market manipulations of original content).

Note that this post is 100% Assumption Pure and I have no numbers to back up my speculations, so if my thoughts are at odds with any sales figures, feel free to adjust opinion accordingly...

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Re: The Disc Is Dead...Sort Of.

said by Desdinova:

For larger items such as movies, video games, etc. I think that most consumers would prefer to purchase a physical disc: it saves bandwidth (assuming the consumer HAS the bandwidth to receive such a large file), HD space, etc. Ultimately, the final resting place of the content will be on a disc anyway (if for no reason other than as a back-up) so why not get it in that form to begin with?
As far as music you can back it up on a thumbdrive pretty easy
Desdinova
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Re: The Disc Is Dead...Sort Of.

I agree completely and a number of the artists I work with are heading that route for a number of financial (thumbdrives can be wiped and reused if the contents on it doesn't sell) and artistic reasons (a fan can buy an empty drive from the artist and have it filled with specific tracks, interviews, hi-res album art, etc.). Those artists I know that HAVEN'T looked into flash drives are usually interested when I suggest it to them.

But here's where it gets kinda interesting: speaking to fans I find that quite a few of them immediately burn the wave files onto a normal Red Book CD so they can lend it to friends, play it in their cars, etc. So it seems that even the cutting-edge folks sometimes drift back into older habits.

SRFireside

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Re: The Disc Is Dead...Sort Of.

Nothing about older habits. A solid, non-erasable media is still viable for music. Thumb drives are great, but as you said the data inside is volatile. When you buy or burn a CD it's there and it stays there. There is a lot to be said about knowing your favorite artist and your favorite album from them won't go bye-bye because of a computer glitch or human error.
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Size is a serious factor, but so is ownership of media. With DRM and a very real question regarding what I can play it on, physical ownership of the CD, DVD or Blueray disk give me a lot of comfort.
If I can't burn the video or music to disk and play it on any machine, or watch it on any TV I don't want it. If I own the DVD I can watch it, rip it to the iPod, transfer it to my netbook, whatever. The same holds true with a CD, I like ripping to FLAC, doesn't play on my iPod, but my Cowon sees more use these days. I could in theory convert a 128Kbps drm encumbered aac file to Flac, but i don't think there is any reason to do so.
Also if for some reason all four copies of my music library are destroyed and my cd library survives (unlikely), 99% of my music could be recovered. I will have to check with Amazon.com on the rest.(Pepsi points)
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I still prefer....

cds - by far.

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I Still Buy CD's

Until DRM is much more fare or gone I will continue to buy all my music as CD's. Since most think DRM isn't going away looks like I'm screwed Christmas time next year. Besides, my HDD's like to die on me a lot, so I just feel safer having it on a physical medium anyways.

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Not So Fast

This is my response to article at:
»businessofclassicalmusic.blogspo···-cd.html

Changes are need but like other I have to disagree that CD is a badge of honor. It still comes to performance. There are many of CD I have gladly lost due to poor performance. Furthermore CD democratize classical music by allow small groups like my beloved Portland Baroque Orchestra to produce CD sets for promotion and as a source of fund raising. It also why I am dead set opposed to sealing music by torrents. I dare not use sharing in any way shape of form. By not respect the copyright, we are robbing the classical artist of a crucial source of revenue, for any orchestra and performer knows, every penny counts. As for the price being too high, I say this excuse to steal is rubbish. I have been listening to classical music CD for 20 years. The same Classical CD I bough 20 years gives me the same joy today as when I first purchased it. $18.00 is a bargain.

Another reason why the death of CD is over rated is there no reliable technology to replace them with, except for SD rom cards. Modern Internet technology allows me to have more exposure to good Classical Music but was designed mainly to separate the 14 to 35 year old demographic from their money and not for Classical music. MP3, give me a break! I can tolerate compression to a point if streaming or in my car but MP3 compression butchers the music; furthermore site like ITunes and Rhapsody and applications like Windows Media player treat each track as a separate entity, resulting in the scrambling of the order on large symphonic and opera pieces when attempting to down load them into my MP3 player.

c1robert

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Re: Not So Fast

I still buy CDs.
demoniacs

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Authographs on digital media

I used to ask some artist (mostly local ones) to sign the cd that i purchased. its a trophy of some sort. now can you ask them to do that if its on digital format? hmmmmm.
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Today I bought a CD at HMV for $10.00. Itunes charges $13 for it.

The reason I decided to buy a CD was that the CDis higher quality than the pitiful DRM on ITUNES at 128kbps.

And while Apple offers *soe* DRM free music, (which I are ready to buy), that inventory doesn't seem to be growing.

If the RIAA had managed to lower the price of CDs a number of years ago, the CD would still be alive today.

Itunes quality is good for a tune you will ever listen on a "walkman" device, but not really if you have a high quality stereo.
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I am ok with digital downloads as long as...

They are uncompressed and DRM free.

a333
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Re: I am ok with digital downloads as long as...

Amen, agreed
BTW, that's one of my favorite xkcd cartoons...=)

a333

Xizer

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Blaaargh



I will never purchase a digital music track. iTunes' garbage DRM'd lossy format is completely unappealing.

Anything short of a DRM-free FLAC track isn't worth a cent.

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Re: Blaaargh

said by Xizer:

Anything short of a DRM-free FLAC track isn't worth a cent.
Maybe that's why most people don't pay for mp3's in the first place

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Re: Blaaargh

said by jayco437:

said by Xizer:

Anything short of a DRM-free FLAC track isn't worth a cent.
Maybe that's why most people don't pay for mp3's in the first place
MP3s aren't even worth pirating.

martini161

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Amen. i heard one song on itunes and i promptly removed the application from my computer in its entirety

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Flac is great, but unsupported by most devices. I download all my music in 320kbps MP3 (or Flac and then convert to 320k MP3), as it's the highest quality file my Pioneer head unit in my truck will play. And I have a very expensive, high quality system in my truck, so high quality music is a must. When my buddy rides with me and slips in a disc with his iTunes files, they sound like shit.

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Hrrm.

Would this be a bad time to point out that CDs are digital? So all this talk of going "digital first" and using "digital distribution services" is misleading.
NgtFlyer

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Re: Hrrm.

True, that..
Should really read "Non-physical digital"..

But if I am going to pay money for music, I want the physical medium that can work with any player or computer I may own over the many years I own the disc.
pika2000

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I'm fine either way, as long as there's no DRM

As long as no DRM is involved (remember the days of copy protected CDs? They cannot even be called Audio CDs. I still remember trying to rip a bunch of CDs protected with Cactus Datashield Copy protection), I'm fine.

There is one major issue on top of distribution, that is licensing/copyright. There are TONS of excellent music in the international scene, but most of them are unheard of locally, especially in the US. Most of these music can only be attainable via import CD (or as usual, P2P). If you pay attention to Audio CDs, there is usually a fine print telling where the CD can only be sold. Obviously this is not fully enforced as people can import CDs just fine. However, this is easily enforced in digital downloads. For example, I cannot easily buy music from a non-US iTunes store. There are ways around it, but sometimes it's easier to just import the CD, or find it via P2P.

You would think download services like iTunes/Amazon would get rid of the physical barrier of countries, but no. Simply log into iTunes UK or Japan, and you'll find a LOT of music not available in the iTunes US store.

I just hope artists realize that this licensing issue only hurt their music/fans. Until then, CD will still be media of choice for importers that really want to support the artist (vs finding the music via P2P).

embracemp3

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without the drm, please...

Music companies should embrace selling mp3s on cd & dvd's as data on the mp3 format... and try to convince disc makers to make home & portable readers that natively read mp3s off cds and dvds... that's the way to go, evolve or die.. the only obstacle is to make the user interface as simple as possible, because now your talking about hundreds & possibly thousands of tracks.

If you want backwards compatability, you make an audio cd yourself... but for commercial purposes, the audio cd is dead... So says the demise of Tower Records...

If the VOIP and PSTN can coexist and interoperate.. mp3 can coexist and interface with audio cds.. just one will be more popular and widely used than the other.. did I mention cheaper?

Think about it, if the industry is willing to consider blanket licensing.. why not do box sets or compiling of artists tracks on cds & dvds to be sold at retail in mp3 format? If there is any interest in this at all, hardware makers could see a rise in sales of portable / home readers if customers can see more value for their $$. What they have at retail today doesn't do well, so make it better. I don't think they have anything to lose at this point by experimenting with ways to evolve the business model.
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Re: without the drm, please...

So let's use the worst of both worlds?


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Physical Graffiti

As Demoniacs said, I have autographs on albums, cassette and CD inserts. I like a physical "thing" in my hands. I like the ability to copy a CD (Then archive the original) for home, car and boat. Original is still 'perfect' if I spill coffee on a copy, it gets stolen or otherwise destroyed.
Remember posters in albums?

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Gartner

Gartner is getting to be a real pita with some of their advice.

I still buy CDs. In fact, I'm more likely to buy a CD than to download music, and I'd bet I'm not the only one. I know an awful lot of people who don't even own computers but do listen to music ...

So companies willing to give up a portion of their sales can follow Gartner's advice, but much like when GM killed the Oldsmobile and assumed Olds customers would simply switch to another GM brand, those companies may get a nasty little surprise.
richardak

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I still prefer to buy CDs

I still prefer to buy CDs and rip the songs myself. That way I can make mp3s for portable music players and use lossless (ape) for use at home.

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Houston, TX

Re: I still prefer to buy CDs

Amen. Full quality hard copies is still the best way to go if you really love the music you own. Downloads are all well and good and have their place, but CDs are still worth keeping around.
zod5000

join:2003-10-21
Victoria, BC
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I'll still buy CD's

At least if you buy the CD you get something for what you pay for. Itunes don't seem to be any cheaper than buying a cd, so given a choice between those two I'll choose a CD.

At least with a CD I can my own mp3 copy for my portable player without DRM and at a higher quality.

I agree with one of the previous posters, that they're is room for various formats. CD, MP3, Vinyl etc..
Mark F

join:2007-08-01
Fort Wayne, IN

Re: I'll still buy CD's

There are songs I have on 45s, LPs, cassettes, 8 tracks, and CDs. When Ipods came out, I refused to buy yet another copy of a song I already had numerous copies of. Especially when so many songs aren't, and maybe never will be, on Itunes, etc. So, I've been tranfering some tapes and records to CD.

Just checking Amazon, it seems like almost every song ever recorded in the past 80 years or so is on CD somewhere. I don't think the same will never be true of MP3 downloads.

I like a variety of music from the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, etc. Rockabilly, surf, rock instrumentals, British, psychedelic, garage, hard rock and so on, much of which cannot be downloaded from any music site. I'll hang on to my music, and expand my collection, instead of paying for what I already have.

MP3s are ok for some things, but I prefer hard copies for songs and albums, played through a quality stereo system.
Mark F

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Naples, FL
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Amazon FTW

I can download the songs I want, 89-99 cents each, and I can burn them to whatever media I want and play them! I burn them right to CD as MP3 and pop it in my car radio and it plays with NO issues!
zod5000

join:2003-10-21
Victoria, BC
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Re: Amazon FTW

said by Cheese:

I can download the songs I want, 89-99 cents each, and I can burn them to whatever media I want and play them! I burn them right to CD as MP3 and pop it in my car radio and it plays with NO issues!
That basically explains one of the problem with current music industry. They turned into an industry of singles. The "album" is loosing steam. Alot of the new pop music, has one or two good songs per album. With the invention of online music sales, people just buy the tracks they like. Which you would think would make the industry and find solid artists again, capable of making a complete album. So instea of making 14 dollars for album, they make 2 dollars.
Mr Matt

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Bye Bye Music Collections

During the recession in the early 80's there was an article in one of the Hi-Fi magazines where the music industry blamed the decrease in music sales on home taping. The record labels in order to prove their point, brought up the fact that the major department stores were eliminating their record departments. In reality there was a recession and the consumer had simply did not have any interest in the recordings that were being released.

The music industry had a windfall in 1983 when the CD was introduced. Most music lovers wanted to replace their record collections with CD's. In fact there was such a demand for CD's that the music stores marked CD's up $4.00 above list price. The record industry actually wanted to limit the price for a premium CD to $12.95. By the time the record stores were through the price of a CD was $16.95. In the mid 80's stores selling CD's were loaded with customers looking to replace their record collections. As time passed many music lovers grew tired of looking to see if their favorite records had been released on CD and not finding them. Between 1996 and 2004 I observed the contents of the Easy Listening Room in Tower Records on Newbury Street in Boston, shrink to a few shelves. The people that generated the sales became disillusioned because many of their favorite records were never released on CD's. They stopped looking and sales dwindled. The music industry cannot accept the fact that an increase in the demand typically follows the introduction of a new format that clearly demonstrates a significant audible difference in the quality of the recorded sound. Unfortunately when the music industry began to rate the quality of their recordings in dB rather than the skill of the musicians the industry was doomed. The music industry has to realize that in this time of financial stress a smart breadwinner will choose to use that $20.00 they have in their pocket to buy food for their family rather than an overpriced CD.

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Land O Lakes, FL

Re: Bye Bye Music Collections

said by Mr Matt:

Unfortunately when the music industry began to rate the quality of their recordings in dB rather than the skill of the musicians the industry was doomed. The music industry has to realize that in this time of financial stress a smart breadwinner will choose to use that $20.00 they have in their pocket to buy food for their family rather than an overpriced CD.
AMEN!
Right on the nail! I could have not said it better!

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