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Do customers really care?
(old news - 09:36AM Tuesday Jan 18 2005)
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Flash heavy portals are part of what ISP's believe constitutes the "broadband experience", be they from Comcast or Roadrunner. But do customers really care? Is having a bandwidth intensive ISP start-page important to you as a broadband customer? Vote in our latest poll.

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Nightfall
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Grand Rapids, MI
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Of course techies aren't going to care!

I know a lot of non-technical people who love their ISP start pages. I wouldn't say they are lost without them, but they would like them to start up when they click on their browser.

To me, they are a waste of time. I know where to get all the information that I need. However, there are people out there that don't know where or how to get information on the internet. Therefore, they need a place to start from.

The results from this poll will be skewed. For the most part, people who know their way around the internet will have no use for a start page and will find them worthless. Since broadbandreports has a very high concentration of technically sound people, you and I both know what the results will be.
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rajanurs

join:2005-01-12
India

Re: Of course techies aren't going to care!

Most times I am using Opera which has a convenient Image toggle and Author Mode / User mode toggle on the tool bar.

Opera also has a easy to edit personal bar which holds all my daily visit hosting control panel access, forums and email access pages.

More convenient features from Opera:an easy to edit magic wand to auto insert username and passwords.

One click to open all links in a browser. For example I can open ten forums or open ten pages of a portal all at one go.

And Opera lets you import IE favourites and save them in a html file. I open this html file, see the link I want to visit and click on it. LOL

Only problem is there are some sites which are not browser compatible with Opera. Like Gmail for instance.

BonezX
Basement Dweller
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Canada

Re: Of course techies aren't going to care!

you done being an advertisement ?

BPL PRO

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Penn STATE STUDY REPORTS BPL CAPABLE> 1gbps speed

fyi: from UPLC.ORG, JAN.18, 2005

INDUSTRY: PENN STATE STUDY REPORTS BPL CAPABLE OF 1 Gbps SPEEDS

Imagine BPL speeds of 1 Gigabit per second. A Penn State professor says BPL is not far off today, even though speeds now are only in the order of 2-3 Mbps. Professor Mohsen Kavehrad, Director of Penn State’s Center for Information & Communications Technology published an AT&T-funded study which developed a computer-simulated power line transmission model that came close to achieving these speeds under ideal conditions. Prof. Kavehrad stated "if you condition those power lines, they're an omnipresent national treasure waiting to be tapped for broadband Internet service delivery, especially in rural areas where cable or DSL are unavailable." He concluded that junctions and branches in the U.S. overhead grid cause broadband signals to reflect, resulting in degradation and decreased transmission capacity. "The signal can bounce back and forth in the lines if there is no proper impedance matching," said Kavehrad: "The bouncing takes energy away from the signal and the loss is reflected in the ultimate capacity." Under their model, the researchers said repeaters would be placed every 0.62 mile and power lines would have to be modified to reduce interference to data signals. Kavehrad believes that these engineering issues can be resolved, but that interference issues must also be addressed. A copy of the study is available on the UPLC website.

AtomicZero

join:2004-11-24
West Palm Beach, FL
not really...no.

a

@qwest.net
techies never have or ever will care about the customers that pay their salaries, why? customers are a dime a dozen, techies are not. damn, don't we just love the obvious.

GO BLUE1
Greed Is Good
Premium
join:2004-03-08
IN YOUR MIND

START PAGE

i could care less
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rodoke

join:2003-10-28
Carbondale, IL

Re: START PAGE

You could? 'Cause I know I don't care at all ;^)
SoulBrewGone

join:2005-01-01
Emporia, KS
You mean you could not care less.

techwench
I Work For Food
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join:2003-06-26
Sherman, TX

Hell and No

I hate heavy start pages. I like my browser to start up and not have to wait 60 seconds for a page (which I'm probably not going to look at anyway) tick and load and tick and...still waiting.

I used to use my.yahoo.com, but since they "revamped" (read: bloated) it, I quit using it, and now just have my homepage set to the yahoo mail login screen.
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Nerdtalker
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Re: Hell and No

said by techwench See Profile:

I hate heavy start pages. I like my browser to start up and not have to wait 60 seconds for a page (which I'm probably not going to look at anyway) tick and load and tick and...still waiting.

I used to use my.yahoo.com, but since they "revamped" (read: bloated) it, I quit using it, and now just have my homepage set to the yahoo mail login screen.
I couldn't agree more. The Comcast portal is moving towards an entirely flash-driven layout which takes decades to re-render on my older Pentium III 533.

Granted, I don't use such old computers (usually they just accumulate dust around here), but for the majority of people who are more than 2 upgrade cycles behind, it'll be slower than grandma on a cold day.

To each his own. Some people can't do without these portals.

Mine is about:blank.
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B
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join:2000-10-28

The Contrary, Of Course...

NOT having a "bandwidth intensive ISP start-page" is what's important to me as a broadband customer.

Google works fine.

So does about:blank.

Anyone bothering to pay big fees for broadband knows what they're paying for -- fast surfing and fast downloads.

Even the AOL converts realize that 1 MB home pages are a waste of their lives.

At least, I hope so.



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DavidJWood
Premium
join:2001-10-12
UK

Re: The Contrary, Of Course...

about:blank for me

I want my browser to open quickly so that I can go to where I want to go. I tend not to make much use of Favorites either - I'm a quick typist and modern browsers have a MRU list.

David
B
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join:2000-10-28

Re: The Contrary, Of Course...

Exactly, me too, re: the typing and MRU autocomplete.

Actually, I haven't bothered to change my browser's default page in a while; I've been lazy enough to leave up »www.mozilla.org/start/1.7/ It's kind of interesting when they change it every once in a while.

My first visit after that is usually to Google or DSLR, but I haven't felt the need to change the home page.

In a way, I guess I'm just as much a sheep as all those IE users with MSN home pages! Yikes.

I have seen crazily bloated Earthlink start page on others' machines. I can't believe it's actually SLOWER than the first versions of the Earthlink start page that emerged years and years ago. (They were terribly slow.)

The worst part is that many people think they have to WAIT for the damn thing to finish loading before they can do anything! I'm talking nearly a minute.

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Anon_Name

@ibm.com

Personally...

I don't find any of that crap useful... I have always had my browswers set to start up with a blank page... and because an ISP feels it necessary to put this crap up is way beyond my thinking ability.

If I want news, I go to a news site.

If I want gossip about movie stars and the such, I go to the appropriate sites.

This is just an effort to say they are offering their "End Abusers" a "Meaningful" online experience!

Yech, Pah-tooey... Mouth wash won't even get the bad taste out of my mouth!

Vamp
5c077
Premium
join:2003-01-28
MD

stupid..

craming a page full of useless flash is just going to give users a slower "experience"
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Jim Gurd
Premium
join:2000-07-08
Plymouth, MI

Start page

It's not set as my default start page but I do use it for accessing webmail. That's about it though. I generally ignore the rest.
raderator

join:2003-07-22
Conklin, NY
·PHONE POWER

Re: Start page

I always set Yahoo's local weather as a start page and people tend to keep it. It's very simple, elegant and quick-loading with unobtrusive ads. It puts out a pop-up once in a while but they are easily blocked by google's toolbar, Firefox or SP2. They use weather channel data.

Try it, you'll like it!

»weather.yahoo.com/forecast/USNY0124.html
MalakoPlus

join:2005-01-17
l165h3

slow

I am on 3mb DLS and that Road Runner page was BRUTAL!

Its a good thing these idiots don't write real code else programs would need gigs of RAM minimum just to run properly.

dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA

Re: slow

Hell, I thought Comcast's page was slow! That RR page was sad!
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Samwoo

join:2002-02-15
Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

Re: slow

Hmm... i have a simple method of add blocking and i blocked the cookies from the comcast page. using ie...

the comcast page seems to be stuck in an infinite loop of refreshing or something. It won't load for me.

Jim Gurd
Premium
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Plymouth, MI
·Comcast

Re: slow

said by Samwoo See Profile:

Hmm... i have a simple method of add blocking and i blocked the cookies from the comcast page. using ie...

the comcast page seems to be stuck in an infinite loop of refreshing or something. It won't load for me.
You just answered your own question. Comcast's homepage requires cookies to work or else it won't load. Set your cookies to prompt and accept the first one the site offers. The others can be declined with no problem. Once you do that then turn them off and the one persistent cookie will remain and the problem will go away.

woody7
Premium
join:2000-10-13
Torrance, CA

Hmmmm.........

Someone should do a survey to see who actually usees their ISP portal as a start page.....
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rodoke

join:2003-10-28
Carbondale, IL

I couldn't agree more

Since I didn't use my last two ISPs' webmail (Mediacom and Charter, FWIW), I didn't even know they had such pages.

You Suck

Re: Hmmmm.........

As if taking a survey is going to reveal anything we don't already know?

Hey pal.... Don't bogart that joint, share it with the rest of us!

kycomcastuser

Flash

More isn't necessarily better. Too many animations, fluff, spinning objects - objects flying into view - pictures in motion, all fluff. Almost like who can make the coolest webpage, as opposed to ease of use. Doesn't do anything for me.

rodoke

join:2003-10-28
Carbondale, IL

I also like pages that KISS

with programs like Flashblock, such distractions are almost invisible to me.

TKJunkMail
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Home built links page best "Home Page"

I built my own home page with links to the pages I use most. It loads very fast from a local disk file and it lets me get to those sites I visit most.

But, even better, I use Slimbrowser and its multiple tab capability, to automatically open the 4 sites I visit most, and also my own home page.
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Chameleon
Premium
join:2004-11-24
Virden, IL

Simple

I have DSLR as my homepage for work and home.
noadplz

join:2004-04-09
USA

Would it add to the "invisible" download caps?

With bandwidth intensive start-page, if you open the browser 10 times a day or 300 times a month, wouldn't it affect the "invisible" download caps that many providers seem to have? Just a thought..

rodoke

join:2003-10-28
Carbondale, IL

Re: Would it add to the "invisible" download caps?

Ignoring the other problems with the parent, I'm willing to bet that the type of people who spend a lot of time on such portals wouldn't know such caps exist.

djrobx

join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
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I would assume even the more intense pages are less than 3 megabytes in size. They would take too long to load otherwise. Further, after the first load, most of the larger data will be cached in the temporary internet files.

I just ran a packet capture.

The Road Runner home page that people are calling "brutal" is 1.5 megabytes in size. Even without caching, 300 page loads would be only 450MB of data transfer.

However, when refreshing the page, I clock only 65KB of data. The rest is all cached.

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footballdude
Premium
join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO

google

I use Google as my start page. Because it loads instantly and I sometimes use it. Beautiful simplicity.
averagedude

join:2002-01-30
Mesa, AZ

Re: google

Same here - Google.

oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
Premium
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Corona, CA

Depends on what it is

Comcast's content is completely worthless, tiny windows of videos no one gives two squirts of piss to see...but if it were better content, by it's definition it would be worth it.

Like most entertainment, it depends on what it is. The question shouldn't be so much do we like high bandwidth portals, but do we like the common "Comcrap like" bandwidth sucking portals. If the latter is the question the answer is no.
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pmw2

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High Spee Home Pages

about:blank is what I use. The only problem I've ever encountered with that, is one time when an IT support person where I work got confused when the corporate intranet homepage didn't come up automatically on browser startup. I eventually had to intervene after she'd rebooted twice and was about to reinstall O/S, to "fix" the problem. The incredulous look on her face when I showed her how anyone can change the "homepage" to anything they wanted, was priceless. Still, she couldn't understand why I wanted a blank page.

N.X.

Vvian Kalyss

join:2003-10-14
Stage 5.0
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Re: High Spee Home Pages

Haha, priceless.
DONKEYKONG01

join:2003-03-21
Metairie, LA

Re: High Spee Home Pages

For post »msg deleted you are warned by a moderator for 'Blatant flaming' .. This post of yours was deleted for (obviously) flaming: "What an idiot. Its people like you that make others IQ go down to the level of retardation. Dude, go back to grade school, we don't need you in the real world where things are not as simple as you think.
Have a brain? use it and use it well, stop letting others run our life the way they like.
You sound like a 5 yrs old who mind's is plain and simple.
hahaha, whatever man you a real clown.

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xirian
Premium
join:2003-01-26
Beacon, NY

Useless

For me, its useless. Right now my startpage is www.google.com/firefox, simple and does what I need. It would be nice if isps would offer discounts if you didnt want the email/start page/etc crap with your service, but thats just me dreaming.
ozamora

join:2004-06-07
Boca Raton, FL

simple page

and light.

I always configure mine to open on google.com

jozy123
Premium
join:2004-12-21
Tucson, AZ


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HTML?

Click for full size
Just like "Capitalist" I use a simple HTML table, I save the logos (.jpg & .gif's) of frequently visited web pages and insert them into the table with the appropriate hyperlink.

powerage66
Premium
join:2004-01-06
Seminole, FL
·Verizon Online DSL

my 2 cents

On the rare times I open IE it goes to Verizon's portal, which is not too bad, but then again I don't use the MSN software that comes with it, which I'm sure has plenty. Firefox I have it set to acdcpower.net, where I moderate the asylum/forum, that site has a little flash but adblock takes care of that problem.
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