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Details about the requirements and penalties are still being discussed
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At the end of last year it was announced that there was a controversial bill in the works called the College Opportunity and Affordability Act. There were many facets to this bill but the one that got some attention was a section devoted to requiring colleges to deter file-sharing on campus. If passed, the bill would require colleges to comply with a series of anti-piracy tactics; those which failed to do so could potentially face financial aid losses for their students.

That bill has now passed through the House. There had been some hope by opponents that the legislation would be impacted by the MPAA’s recent admission that the college piracy stats it has reported in the past were inflated. This wasn’t the case, as the bill passed by an overwhelming majority.

It remains unclear at this time what the exact rules will be for colleges regarding network filtering and what the penalties will be for non-compliance. Those in opposition to the bill believe that it is not the role of schools to play “piracy police” or to keep illegal file-sharing records that assist corporate interests.

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Anti-piracy not in Senate version of Bill

The Ars Technica story doesn't mention it, but a different version of the bill was passed in the Senate without the anti-piracy provisions: »www.news.com/8301-10784_3-986714···nefd.top

Also, the White House has opposed the bill and is threatening to veto it: »media-newswire.com/release_1060551.html
But not over the anti-piracy provisions.

The bill has to be reconciled with the Senate version in a conference committee. So, with the White House opposition and the Senate's different version, the anti-piracy provision is far from being approved.

Bill info here:
»thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z···r.04137:

Here is how the House members voted:
»clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll040.xml

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I could care less about that. What worries me most is that they want to nix Social Security and Medicare.

Guess who ends up taking care of their elders when they get sick and lose their jobs?

The quickest way to impoverish everyone but the wealthy is getting rid of those two programs.

Then they sell you on 401k's and IRA's. All those programs are little piggy banks for institutional investors to pass around to their buddies.

The government wants you to think there are too many people retiring. Baby boomers had a lot of kids and those kids on average had two kids. So either their kids are broke or someone is lying about why the programs are going bankrupt.
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Re: Anti-piracy not in Senate version of Bill

Part of the problem is that the rate of population growth has dropped. You used to have a lot (say 6) people working for every person on SS, now you only have a few people (say 2) working for every person on SS. You compound that with the Hollywood shuffle of money that was done( government "borrowed" money from the SS pot) and you can see how we got into trouble.

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"....House Passes Bill Requiring Colleges to Play Piracy Police....."

What the hell does your rant about SS and Medicare have to do with this thread?
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Guess who ends up taking care of their elders when they get sick and lose their jobs?
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Guess who ends up taking care of their elders when they get sick and lose their jobs?

How about their family? You don't feel responsibility to take care of your family? You want me to do it for you?

That's sad.
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the whole thing is riduculus anyways music downloads should be free and the artists should make their money off live performances
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Corruption knows no party...

Way to go Dems, it only took a year for you to go from cleaning up Washington, to pandering and outright corruption.

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Way to go Dems, it only took a year for you to go from cleaning up Washington, to pandering and outright corruption.
Was there ever any doubt? Neither party is truly interested in "we the people". Only their own special interests. Personally I prefer the term Republicrats or Democans to refer to the critters we have stashed in Congress. It is definitely more descriptive.

In terms of this bill, the Republicans support it because it helps their big business interests and involves their favorite pass-time, surveillance. For the Democrats, it supports their Hollywood buddies.
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said by n2jtx See Profile :

In terms of this bill, the Republicans support it because it helps their big business interests and involves their favorite pass-time, surveillance. For the Democrats, it supports their Hollywood buddies.
The piracy provision was a very small part of a HUGE education grant renewal bill. Most of the votes didn't hinge on this one provision. So, support for the bill had hardly anything to do with this provision. You are looking at it from a very narrow focus. The House of Reps aren't.

P.S.> Here is the one section that deals with piracy:
SEC. 494. CAMPUS-BASED DIGITAL THEFT PREVENTION.

`(a) In General- Each eligible institution participating in any program under this title shall to the extent practicable--

`(1) make publicly available to their students and employees, the policies and procedures related to the illegal downloading and distribution of copyrighted materials required to be disclosed under section 485(a)(1)(P); and

`(2) develop a plan for offering alternatives to illegal downloading or peer-to-peer distribution of intellectual property as well as a plan to explore technology-based deterrents to prevent such illegal activity.

`(b) Grants-

`(1) PROGRAM AUTHORITY- The Secretary may make grants to institutions of higher education, or consortia of such institutions, and enter into contracts with such institutions, consortia, and other organizations, to develop, implement, operate, improve, and disseminate programs of prevention, education, and cost-effective technological solutions, to reduce and eliminate the illegal downloading and distribution of intellectual property. Such grants or contracts may also be used for the support of a higher education centers that will provide training, technical assistance, evaluation, dissemination, and associated services and assistance to the higher education community as determined by the Secretary and institutions of higher education.

`(2) AWARDS- Grants and contracts shall be awarded under paragraph (1) on a competitive basis.

`(3) APPLICATIONS- An institution of higher education or a consortium of such institutions that desires to receive a grant or contract under paragraph (1) shall submit an application to the Secretary at such time, in such manner, and containing or accompanied by such information as the Secretary may reasonably require by regulation.

`(4) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS- There are authorized to be appropriated to carry out this subsection such sums as may be necessary for fiscal year 2009 and for each of the 4 succeeding fiscal years.'.
The White House is threatening to veto this over many of the other provisions. And the Senate doesn't have a piracy provision in their version. It is very possible the piracy provision will die in conference committee before going to the White House for signature.

P.S.> Sometimes I despair of the level of ignorance of our legislative system by the typical US voter. I sometimes think voters should have to take a test before they are allowed to vote. Maybe then we would have better legislators.


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Re: Corruption knows no party...

Hey, I can vote!!



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Re: Corruption knows no party...

I scored a C

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I scored a C
Not too bad. But you have to start looking at the front page of a newspaper more often. Or going to Google News to stay up to date.
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P.S.> Sometimes I despair of the level of ignorance of our legislative system by the typical US voter. I sometimes think voters should have to take a test before they are allowed to vote. Maybe then we would have better legislators.
Let's extend that test to the political candidates as well.
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Re: Corruption knows no party...

Not needed. They all know what they are doing is evil.

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The only thing that useless test determines is whether you watch a lot of network TV news (a negative in my opinion because of the news channels' constant attempts to influence voters with partial and out-of-context sound bytes and video snapshots), and has nothing to do with knowledge of the type you are displaying. A test to see if you are informed it says, unless matching a face to a name and office is informed, that's a lie. Many of the people are actors, what do they have to do with being politically informed? The whole thing is a joke.

Test people on what their representatives and candidates are voting for and proposing, not what they look like.
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I scored an F. Too many actors.

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Pathetic. There were only 4 actors.
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Was there ever any doubt? Neither party is truly interested in "we the people". Only their own special interests. Personally I prefer the term Republicrats or Democans to refer to the critters we have stashed in Congress. It is definitely more descriptive.

In terms of this bill, the Republicans support it because it helps their big business interests and involves their favorite pass-time, surveillance. For the Democrats, it supports their Hollywood buddies.
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Way to go Dems, it only took a year for you to go from cleaning up Washington, to pandering and outright corruption.
Please tell me you are only feigning shock.
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said by boober321 See Profile :

Way to go Dems, it only took a year for you to go from cleaning up Washington, to pandering and outright corruption.
uh, they never really tried to clean up washington... hell they never even bothered to attempt it...

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Way to go Dems, it only took a year for you to go from cleaning up Washington, to pandering and outright corruption.
This is why college students need to pay attention to politics, and when issues like this pop up, get involved, stay involved, and get it voted down.

And since college kids don't have the capital of MPAA and other entertainment industry bodies, why they need to make their own organization and protect what rights they may have left. Because this is only the tip of the iceberg.

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This is why college students need to pay attention to politics, and when issues like this pop up, get involved, stay involved, and get it voted down.

{...}
they need to make their own organization and protect what rights they may have left. Because this is only the tip of the iceberg.

The least represented will be the first victims in politics.
With the current institutional repression and intolerance, any student who did such a thing would be summarily expelled.
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With the current institutional repression and intolerance, any student who did such a thing would be summarily expelled.
As much as this?

»www.normanfinkelstein.com

And for repression and intolerance now, these things come in waves. In the 60s and 70s it wasn't exactly peachy for conservatives on campuses, too. Wasn't the draft card burners that was the worry, but those who burned down ROTC buildings and harrassed cadets.

Karma has a way of repeating itself, and it does when violence is justified and condoned. Passes from one generation onto another, and each wondering why the other isn't so nice.

Maybe it can skip a generation or more (I can at least hope).
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Why bring political polarization into this? Nobody said anything about this being a liberal or conservative issue. And if I remember correctly the university administrations weren't the ones doing the 'repressing' back in the 60's like they are today. The ROTC/cadet example you cite was due to their representation of military policy which was out of step with the culture.

Today, they would probably shoot the protesters, a la Kent State, and have the government's and university's blessing to do it.
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More abuse of Taxpayers

Joe Taxpayer shouldn't be funding student internet services at all. If there is taxpayer funding it should be restricted to the lab and for specific classroom assignments only. Let students pay their own way, then the school can do whatever they want network wise. But if they're taking some of this new funding and using it to support technology infrastructure, the taxpayers through their representatives have a right to attach any strings they feel like attaching.

If the schools don't like it, don't take the money. Taxpayers aren't an ATM to be throttled every time some jerkoff wants more free stuff.
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Re: More abuse of Taxpayers

Uh you do realize this would simply cost tax payers more, since students would be required to have a legal music subscription.

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Re: More abuse of Taxpayers

Uh, how about students pay for their own music?
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Re: More abuse of Taxpayers

Yeah, I completely agree, but this would force colleges to get those subscriptions and guess who's money is paying for that...

If it isn't the tax payers then we go back to the original argument of whether the gov should be able to impose any conditions, in which case they shouldn't because then students are forced to pay for some corp's business model.

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Holy Crap...I can let my breath out now...

I was turning blue...

Has DSLR finally acknowledged that the sharing of copyrighted works is ILLEGAL?

"or to keep illegal file-sharing records that assist corporate interests."
Seems so.

Bottom line is that the colleges provide a service to their students and can be held accountable for the traffic that goes across their network to the internet. Students usually sign (physically or digitally) a code of conduct for internet access and can be help accountable for breaking the rules.

Colleges should be held accountable if they are not keeping copyrighted content from being distributed via their network.
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under the table

so, how much money is going to the Democratic party coffers for that little bit of quid quo pro?
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Probably the same amount of money that is going in to Republican party coffers.
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Probably the same amount of money that is going in to Republican party coffers.
I suspect you're dead wrong there. Democrats control congress, so they're likely to be getting more graft. Unless you meant per congressman.
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I suspect I am correct. They are all on the take. Just look at who owns what, and how much they contribute to both sides of the aisle.
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Just goes to show you once again that the government can do whatever it wants. Every day some laws are passed somewhere that eeek away at our freedoms and liberties. Everything is being criminalized these days.... Oh and why not threaten the colleges by pulling their funding if they don't comply? Talk about totalitarianism.....
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The threat of Federal money being cut off is a staple of Federal misuse of power. Especially in education. And absolutely in areas such as highway funding. This is nothing new, or surprising. The bill in question, however, puts conditions on new money and does not deny anyone's freedoms or liberties. While I think the whole thing is silly your comment indicates you are not aware of the subject.
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Lets put a new condition on highway funds. Every inch of highway must have license plate readers to pull track all of America's law abiding citizens, and to protect America from evil terrorists, and to save the children.
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Sadly, that is coming via RFID tags in drivers licenses.
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Sadly, that is coming via RFID tags in drivers licenses.
Just a precursor to ease the acceptance of the mark of the beast.
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said by ATTGUY :

Just goes to show you once again that the government can do whatever it wants. Every day some laws are passed somewhere that eeek away at our freedoms and liberties. Everything is being criminalized these days.... Oh and why not threaten the colleges by pulling their funding if they don't comply? Talk about totalitarianism.....
it's easy to whine about how your government is taking things away from you and then proclaim that government is threatening to pull their funding if they don't comply... do you realize that colleges and universities do not need to take federal money...? they aren't compelled to you and that also doesn't equate to totalitarianism...
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Well

To bad I have 3 1/2 years till I'm colleged,

I'll miss out on the super high speed downloading.

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Hold on people. I have a solution

Here's a new flash. Want to avoid all this shit? Don't buy any music for a few months. Maybe a year will do it. Go back to listen to the radio. Here's a nother suggestion. Pool your hard earned money and as a group, pitch in a nickle or so, then buy the CD. Then SHARE it with all your friends. There are ways to run the RIAA out of town but you people will have to want to. Otherwise, just STFU, pay for your music and just let it go.
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10,000g's this yr 50g's next yr

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The MPAA Screwed up my day!!

I don't even download Cams or Music...Now they want to shut of my usenet access ohh nooozzeeee this sucks.

I hate movies anyway ...havn't went to a theater in a while.

Wake me up when The Fast and The Furious XXII comes out.

Whatever. I see a bunch of my college campus techs crying out loud right now, and with good reason. Their networks are unfiltered for a reason. As long as you arn't spamming the mess out of the entire campus who cares. EVERY BUILDING that belongs to the campus (and this includes the main campus plus a number of buildings within a 3 mile radius) is wired up to the neck in Fiber, and the main connect is an OC-192 (this is the University of WA in seattle so we are at a main backbone hub).

Ugh thanks guys. This is only going to screw up the future of the nation. Maybe not this, but some other idiotic bill passed that will hinder education ONCE AGAIN. I guess old timers think we arn't on par with...uhh..africa??

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If they can buy Congress...

Wow. Let's just hope the RIAA doesn't want to declare war on Russia for MP3S.COM...!
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buying a volume license.

Any college that charges over 10k for full time tuition as a minimum can afford to pay for volume licenses for it's students as part of it's excessive fee schedule for music (at least). As for the others (software, movies & other content)... tell them to take a flying leap!
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