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How Much Bandwidth Do You Really Need?
(old news - 06:47PM Wednesday Jun 06 2007)
tags: competition · business · bandwidth
TopTechNews takes a look at current bandwidth speeds and wonders exactly how much bandwidth consumers need. "For the average consumer, 6 Mbps should more than suffice for today's typical needs, whether it's downloading music, watching the occasional video, or even running a home network that lets two or three computers do the same all at once. Does anyone really care whether that song download from iTunes takes 10 seconds or 2 seconds?"

They've obviously never visited our forums.

"When you start adding up how much bandwidth that the average home with a couple of teenagers might consume between 6 and 9 at night -- two or three people watching HDTV shows, playing music from the Internet, playing online games -- the bandwidth demands are going to be gigantic," says Mark Wegleitner, Verizon's chief technology officer in the piece.

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ftthz
If love can kill hate can also save

join:2005-10-17

1gbit wouldn't be a bad palce to start

the more the better

siouxmoux

@comcast.net

Re: 1gbit wouldn't be a bad palce to start

I laugh every time I see When there is ATT/Yahoo DSL Ad Touting their 786k! speeds. Ours DSL are Really that Fast. By Comparison, That make my Net Access 16000k/1500k with power boost from Comcast Like I am Surfing on the Information Super Autobahn.

Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
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join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
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·Embarq

Re: 1gbit wouldn't be a bad palce to start

said by siouxmoux :

I laugh every time I see When there is ATT/Yahoo DSL Ad Touting their 786k!
These lower speed plans are for the person that doesn't want dial-up, but doesn't want to pay $50+/month. It's not about AT&T's network ability, it's about offering a competitively priced product.

duh

@qwest.net
lol, this is like asking bill gates how much money he needs & the answer is simple, all of it...

BIGMIKE
Premium
join:2002-06-07
Westminster, CA

Re: 1gbit wouldn't be a bad palce to start

said by duh :

lol, this is like asking bill gates how much money he needs & the answer is simple, all of it...
Win the last time you gave away billions
»www.gatesfoundation.org/default.htm
»online.wsj.com/article/SB1180994···news_wsj

»money.cnn.com/2004/09/23/news/ne···bes_400/
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Cogdis

join:2007-03-26
Floral Park, NY
not true, gates donated like $30 billion already lol

Michieru2
zzz zzz zzz
Premium
join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL

Hmmm

At least 10/30 for me. I would like to run my servers off something other than 768kbps.

I don't need much download but whether you have the higher bandwidth or not, it all depends on the other side of the light.
--
Duct tape, saving lives since 1942.

bartruji

join:2003-04-27
Tempe, AZ
clubs:

Re: Hmmm

I agree. When I went from my 5mb/512kb dsl connection to my 1.544mb/1.544mb T1 I couldn't believe the difference. asynchronous connections should be a thing of the past!

fonzbear2000
Premium
join:2005-08-09
Saint Paul, MN

Re: Hmmm

said by bartruji See Profile :

I agree. When I went from my 5mb/512kb dsl connection to my 1.544mb/1.544mb T1 I couldn't believe the difference. asynchronous connections should be a thing of the past!
you actually paid MORE for less download???

bartruji

join:2003-04-27
Tempe, AZ
clubs:

Re: Hmmm

The upload limit was killing me! As it turned out the T1 was just as fast as the DSL when browsing. The only time i really miss the dsl is when I'm using Bit Torrent. It was worth it.
hihi

join:2007-05-06
Port Orange, FL

Re: Hmmm

said by bartruji See Profile :

The upload limit was killing me! As it turned out the T1 was just as fast as the DSL when browsing. The only time i really miss the dsl is when I'm using Bit Torrent. It was worth it.
How much are ya paying for a T1 connection?

bartruji

join:2003-04-27
Tempe, AZ
clubs:

Re: Hmmm

said by hihi See Profile :

said by bartruji See Profile :

The upload limit was killing me! As it turned out the T1 was just as fast as the DSL when browsing. The only time i really miss the dsl is when I'm using Bit Torrent. It was worth it.
How much are ya paying for a T1 connection?
My employer is paying $300/Mo. on a 5 year contract with QWEST.

John Galt
Forward, March
Premium
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Happy Camp
·CenturyLink

said by bartruji See Profile :

Asynchronous connections should be a thing of the past!
Just to clarify for our viewers out there...you mean asymmetrical, don't you?
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bartruji

join:2003-04-27
Tempe, AZ
clubs:

Re: Hmmm

said by John Galt See Profile :

said by bartruji See Profile :

Asynchronous connections should be a thing of the past!
Just to clarify for our viewers out there...you mean asymmetrical, don't you?
What's the difference? I've seen ADSL referred to as both asynchronous and asymmetrical. Enlighten me!

en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME


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I agree..

I would like to see what constitutes an average user though.

I'm a steady user (work over the Internet) , and I run on a sub 3Mbps/512kbps connection.

What it comes down to is what services do you use on the Internet ?

High bandwidth services ?
- Web cam
- Bit torrent / Kazaa, etc.
- Streaming videos
- Downloading ISOs (Fedora Core 6 is over 3GB)
- Server hosting
- Online gaming
- X11 / VNC
- IPTV

More 'traditional' uses that don't require a ton of bandwidth
- Google search
- Streaming news (i.e. »cbc.ca/national)
- Remote desktop
- Email
- VPN
- Vonage/Skype

I guess the question should also relate to the cost of service.

I.e. I would gladly accept 10/1 for $30/month, and 20/2 for $40/month.
If the tiered ratings were...

1.5/384 $19.99
6/1 $29.99
15/2 $39.99
50/5 %49.99

Which would you pick, and why ? Assuming all SLA's are equal ( DHCP, email, etc., and no BS caps).
I'd most likely pick 6/1, as I don't need to shell out an extra $120/year for 15/2 or better. If I wasn't working from home, I'd stick with 1.5/384.
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MRCUR

join:2007-03-09
Columbia, PA

Re: I agree..

I would take the 50/5 for $50 a month since I already pay $52 a month for 8/768 from Comcast.

johndoe303

join:2003-01-01
Boca Raton, FL

Re: I agree..

Yep, I'm right there with you. I'm more interested in upload but I'll take the increased speed all day. I had a 6/756 account with Adel which netted me 7/880 thanks to generous caps. Now with Comcast I see 8/710.. When it comes to the things I use the net for I'd rather the 7/880 from Adel.. There's word we'll see 16/1 or 16/2 come this summer but I don't see why as there's no competitors offering such speeds.

I'd like FiOS and FiOS Tv but it's not gonna happen here anytime soon.
--
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filizaragoza

join:2006-01-11
San Diego, CA

Re: I agree.. but

The UL7DL Ratio of the
15/2 is the best off the offerings.

I had 1/512 and my provider switch me to 2/256

And i can tell you 1Mb/512kb is way better
than 2/256

If you can't communicate fast enough to keep the download coming, its worthless the extra speed,

If you use WebCAM/CCTV/P2P you will never see the 50mb

as the 15/2 at 7.5 has a better ratio and you should see
13.9??? download average in P2P

while the 50/5 you should see about 25-30MB speed average

the only time you would see speeds close to the stated is when you are downloading a SP2 from MS, or direct transfers from big servers, not P2P.

jimbo48

join:2000-11-17
Hayward, CA
·AT&T DSL Service
·EarthLink

Re: I agree..

Believe me, I'd jump on 50 a month for 8/876. I'm paying 42.00 a month for 3.0/384 that is there "sometimes" I need 6/768 because I work form home and running a VPN and VOIP and heavy down load as well as the VOIP the poor DSL line is not up to the task. There's no incentive for any of the ISP's to offer anything higher at the same price that they are getting now for the poor performing offers in my area. No one is going to invest in the Infrastructure because they're already raking in the money using old 50 year+ copper or 15 year old Cable wires(which Comcast gleefully raised rates multiple times because they have a monopoly) contract. ATT/SBC advertises fantastic bundles as hooks but can't/won't deliver because it would mean stringing new wire and building/investing in more/newer COs.
You're probably thinking where does this person, out in the sticks somewhere- nope- 30 miles from the heart of silicon valley with 1-2 million dollar homes all around. when the Broadband people have you over a barrel, you have to pay to play (or work) by what bones they they throw you!
taltom

join:2007-06-10
Rockwall, TX

Re: I agree..

I just moved from the other side of the Bay, where Comcast had some great download (over 10 Mbps whenever I tested it), but the upload was always below 700 kbps.

I just moved to another state and live "out in the boonies", as well (suburbs od Dallas). The cable provider has a lousy track record and unimpressive speeds, and dsl doesn't cover me. So I decided to try out a wireless provider with a money-back guarantee. My downloads are over 6 Mbps and, more importantly, my downloads are over 1 Mpbs (I've seen as high as 1.3 Mbps thus far). Service is $50 per month.

Any chance you have a wireless ISP that serves your area?

The owner of my ISP tells me Motorola has some new equipment that handles 20M/20M...
haplo2112

join:2003-05-12
Charlton, MA

50/5 is probably what I would pick however the Upload to that download is WAY out of line.

This is what people JUST DON'T GET. asym connections are bad, but some of that badness can be delt with if the up to down ratio is handled correctly. For a 50 down the Up needs to be around 25 to 30...at 5 up the 50 down will never actually work and will operate more like 15-20. The TCP/IP and UDP/IP protocols throw around alot of data. TCP more than UDP, but in either case a download actually uploads (in the sense of talking back to the server you are downloading from) quite a bit.

This is one of the reasons why you can actually see better performance from a symmetric connection that is lower speed. With the better matched up/down speeds the conversation flows better.
grandpinaple

join:2006-01-03
New York, NY

Re: I agree..

Not true 50 down will work fine with as little as 1.5 up. The overhead is only 3%.
BigVe

join:2005-07-15
Gulliver, MI

25/25 would be nice....

6 Meg is something people would have liked 10 years ago.

Bobcat
Volvo sucks donkey balls
Premium
join:2001-02-04
Bedminster, NJ

3 Mbps is fine for me

Especially since it's only $29.95 per month.

ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
Premium
join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA


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I could live just fine on dial up

But it would really put a crimp in my software and movie piracy efforts

I use as much as I can get but if 6Mb were it, I would just use that. Thankfully I get 15/2 and am a happy camper.

I would agree that the "average consumer" would do just fine on 6Mb. I'm certainly not the average consumer and being a warez whore suck down data like it's air. Even then I did just fine on 3Mb and 7.1Mb DSL for a long time. It just changes your habits. 3Mbs meant setting up stuff for download overnight where as now if it's less than 3GB I'll sit and wait for it.
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Anomus

@ameritech.net

Re: I could live just fine on dial up

Amen brother. My neighbors have 3Mb/s and they use so little of it they dont even know I drain the rest of it with my invisible Cantenna connection. And now I hear they are bumping it up to 10Mb/s. Woo Hoo, I need to put up more cantennas so I can Dl twice the movie goodness. I just looooooove WiFi.

mph300
Two Thirds The Way There

join:2000-11-09

more upload plz......

lets make broadband symmetrical for all data plan speeds is what would work for me!

mike
--
CH3NO2-Fuel me UP-Let's race!
hihi

join:2007-05-06
Port Orange, FL

Re: more upload plz......

said by mph300 See Profile :

lets make broadband symmetrical for all data plan speeds is what would work for me!

mike
It will never happen. Let alone 4:1,3:1,or even 2:1 ratio. The problem with asymetric is that it's too asymetric. Usually from 6:1 to 15:1 which is just horrible.

BF69

join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

Depends

6 Mbps is probally fine if your single and have one computer. If you have 2 computers and a Playstation or XBOX also on the internet, then no it's not near enough.

Also, do I care if a song takes 2 seconds or 10 seconds to download? Yes actually I do. What if I decide to download a movie from netflix or something? 6Mbps isn't going to cut it.
hihi

join:2007-05-06
Port Orange, FL

Re: Depends

if you decide to download 6mbps if more then enough heck even 3mb is enough. IMHO.
IanR

join:2001-03-22
Madison, NJ

It's not just bandwidth...

...many cable braodband providers still limit the monthly GBs one can use and charge extreme fees above a given level.

en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA

Re: It's not just bandwidth...

True... especially outside of the U.S.
Comcast did in the past, I'm not sure if they still do.
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BF69

join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

said by IanR See Profile :

...many cable braodband providers still limit the monthly GBs one can use and charge extreme fees above a given level.
I don't of any that do for anything under 300 GB except satelite which can be as low as 6 GB a month.

Anomus

@ameritech.net

Re: It's not just bandwidth...

I didnt know it was 300Gb Thats about what I do with each of my cantenna connections. And thats a reasonably nice number too. But I hear the speeds are being bumped up to 10 from 3Mb/s so I wonder if my DLs are going to go thru the roof. Hopefully the invisible caps will increase as well.
Cyber2lz

join:2001-11-15
Odessa, FL

square connection

5 up by 5 down !

But it'll never happen!
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VerizonCynic

join:2006-10-25
Lakewood, CA
·Verizon FIOS

what do I need

I need FIOS..I want symmetry..I would like a choice. If I want 5/3 or 5mg/5.mg or more I would a least like the option (a realistic option under 50.00 mo) At this point my only option w/o cable tv is verizon dsl with 3/768 which for now is rock sold but is starting to feel slow.

This is sort of like the old statements in the 80's of how much computing power we "needed".

My wired connection in the office is 100/100mb. I "need" that.

Mactron
el camino Real
Premium
join:2001-12-16
CM94sv

How Much Bandwidth Do You Really Need?

More than I currently have.
VZ DSL shills say 1.5 M is enough.
Ha, I laugh at the FANBOY(S)

Half the sites I go to can't fill my 3M pipe.
The other half I want them to. Guess I need the same size pipe that will give me the fastest sites pipe out there on the Interweb.
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If only the Verizon CSRs worked this well.
dibbb

join:2003-09-19
·Time Warner VOIP

Need faster everything

The Internet should seriously get to the point where you click, and the page instantly displays on your screen.

This would not only require more bandwidth to the home, but faster web servers and faster PC's as well.
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»myhax0r.net
m8trix

join:2003-12-24
Phoenix, AZ
·Cox HSI

How Much Bandwidth Do You Really Need?

IM on a 12mb down 1mb up and love it except for one thing is that it being cable the bandwidth saturation during peak hours.with that said i would like to see the ratio between upload and download be a bit closer and and see more consistent bandwidth to match that of DSL,other then that ya more is better specially in a house like mine where there are to power user under 1 roof with 2 comp's,xbox360,ps,Voip and theres constantly being large file transfer and gaming going on at all times

hayabusa3303
Over 200 mph
Premium
join:2005-06-29
clubs:

Re: How Much Bandwidth Do You Really Need?

Dont feel to bad i do the same thing but on 5000/384 but i have 4 computers.

Anomus

@ameritech.net

Re: How Much Bandwidth Do You Really Need?

Me too, but I have 3 Cantenna connections to all my gernerous neighbors. DLing movies and such these days has some dire risks if you own your own house so useing canntennas for anonimity is a very wise move. And my neighbors are truely inocent, so they should do well if the justice system somehow grabs a hold of them. A win win situation for dealing with all those underhanded deep pocket entertainment moguls. Hopefully soon with the persuation of p2p, all entertainment will revert back to FREE with comercial sponcorship, like it has always been with TV and radio.

bmb991anon

@rr.com

Re: How Much Bandwidth Do You Really Need?

Just cough up the $15 a month for newsgroup access already.

Scree
In the pipe 5 by 5

join:2001-04-24
Mount Laurel, NJ

uh...

All of it?
bmn
? ? ?
Premium,ExMod 2003-06
join:2001-03-15
hiatus

Simple...

I need at LEAST 1Mbps upload and at least 5Mbps download...

I just switched to a business account and the upload is quite important to me as I regularly fire up the Cisco VPN to the house to transfer files to and from clients, stream MP3s from my W2k server and such.
--
Prove it...
hihi

join:2007-05-06
Port Orange, FL

Re: Simple...

That's still not enough... 3/3 or 6/6 is good connection and 10/10,15/15 and so forth in the future.

ib50MbSoon
Formerly TwoKDialup
Premium
join:2002-06-07
Coloma, MI

How Much Bandwidth Do You Really Need?

Easy answer!

Charge by the gigabyte and you'll find out just how important running a p2p server really is.
--
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wee96
Your Local Confederate

join:2000-04-12
Clinton Township, MI

What do I need?

Well, I can say I would be happy with a 100mb symmetrical connection as our friends in Japan enjoy.

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netgear
Restless Native
Premium
join:1999-12-20
Arlington, TX
·AT&T DSL Service
·RoadRunner Cable

Yeah, I care!

Does anyone really care whether that song download from iTunes takes 10 seconds or 2 seconds?

Yeah, I care, because that 5 to 1 ratio holds up regardless of the size of the file. Applications just keep getting larger and more complex. So do media files as we move toward higher definition video and even audio, for that matter. Imaging continues to suffer from bloat, as well. I have an old Nikon Coolpix 950; when it was brand new it was one of the better digital cameras and its uncompressed TIF mode created an image about 15 meg in size. That is squat compared to today's multi-mega-pixel cameras. Anyone that thinks we're going to go backwards in this trend toward larger file sizes is foolish. Compression technologies haven't come close to keeping up with pixel/sample bloat.

The more the better. Re-write the laws of physics and electromagnetism if necessary and keep that bandwidth coming. The law of diminishing returns does not apply here.

dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast

Re: Yeah, I care!

Yep!
Back when PowerBoost here on Comcast was first enabled, I had "PermaBoost"!

Downloading 200MB video files in 55 seconds... Oh yeah, that sucked - huh?

People were getting insano speeds for the duration of LARGE downloads... ya know, I didn't see *ANYONE* complaining.

Wonder why...
--
Think outside the Fox... Opera
Gilitar

join:2000-11-20
Mobile, AL

We need more upstream

With the average being around 512k up it's safe to say that is where the need is.
jessicaggjj

join:2007-06-07
Albany, NY

Re: We need more upstream

I've read better, try again.

ipod cover
»www.ipodconverter.com
filizaragoza

join:2006-01-11
San Diego, CA

I'm Using DU Metter to see how much i download this is my data

Moth/DL/UL
J 2006 24,563,421 KB 11,087,397 KB
A 2006 106,673,611 KB 9,698,634 KB
S 2006 43,063,082 KB 19,992,422 KB
O 2006 32,582,766 KB 32,131,387 KB
N 2006 14,057,988 KB 13,528,726 KB
D 2006 15,070,781 KB 18,460,836 KB
J 2007 8,426,812 KB 37,292,376 KB
F 2007 10,962,319 KB 16,047,252 KB
M 2007 8,985,000 KB 14,300,747 KB
A 2007 8,260,463 KB 23,735,369 KB
M 2007 16,156,141 KB 15,580,404 KB
J 2007 3,977,713 KB 958,588 KB

Do not pay extra banwidth
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