  ftthz If love can kill hate can also save
join:2005-10-17 | 1gbit wouldn't be a bad palce to start the more the better | |
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@comcast.net
| Re: 1gbit wouldn't be a bad palce to start I laugh every time I see When there is ATT/Yahoo DSL Ad Touting their 786k! speeds. Ours DSL are Really that Fast. By Comparison, That make my Net Access 16000k/1500k with power boost from Comcast Like I am Surfing on the Information Super Autobahn. | |
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·Embarq
| Re: 1gbit wouldn't be a bad palce to start said by siouxmoux :
I laugh every time I see When there is ATT/Yahoo DSL Ad Touting their 786k! These lower speed plans are for the person that doesn't want dial-up, but doesn't want to pay $50+/month. It's not about AT&T's network ability, it's about offering a competitively priced product. | |
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@qwest.net | lol, this is like asking bill gates how much money he needs & the answer is simple, all of it... | |
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join:2007-03-26 Floral Park, NY | not true, gates donated like $30 billion already lol | |
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  Michieru2 zzz zzz zzz Premium join:2005-01-28 Miami, FL
| Hmmm At least 10/30 for me. I would like to run my servers off something other than 768kbps.
I don't need much download but whether you have the higher bandwidth or not, it all depends on the other side of the light. -- Duct tape, saving lives since 1942. | |
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 |   bartruji
join:2003-04-27 Tempe, AZ clubs: | Re: Hmmm I agree. When I went from my 5mb/512kb dsl connection to my 1.544mb/1.544mb T1 I couldn't believe the difference. asynchronous connections should be a thing of the past! | |
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| Re: Hmmm said by bartruji :I agree. When I went from my 5mb/512kb dsl connection to my 1.544mb/1.544mb T1 I couldn't believe the difference. asynchronous connections should be a thing of the past! you actually paid MORE for less download???  | |
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join:2003-04-27 Tempe, AZ clubs: | Re: Hmmm The upload limit was killing me! As it turned out the T1 was just as fast as the DSL when browsing. The only time i really miss the dsl is when I'm using Bit Torrent. It was worth it. | |
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join:2007-05-06 Port Orange, FL
| Re: Hmmm said by bartruji :The upload limit was killing me! As it turned out the T1 was just as fast as the DSL when browsing. The only time i really miss the dsl is when I'm using Bit Torrent. It was worth it. How much are ya paying for a T1 connection? | |
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join:2003-04-27 Tempe, AZ clubs:
| Re: Hmmm said by hihi :said by bartruji :The upload limit was killing me! As it turned out the T1 was just as fast as the DSL when browsing. The only time i really miss the dsl is when I'm using Bit Torrent. It was worth it. How much are ya paying for a T1 connection? My employer is paying $300/Mo. on a 5 year contract with QWEST. | |
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·CenturyLink
| said by bartruji :Asynchronous connections should be a thing of the past! Just to clarify for our viewers out there...you mean asymmetrical, don't you? -- A is A | |
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join:2003-04-27 Tempe, AZ clubs:
| Re: Hmmm said by John Galt :said by bartruji :Asynchronous connections should be a thing of the past! Just to clarify for our viewers out there...you mean asymmetrical, don't you? What's the difference? I've seen ADSL referred to as both asynchronous and asymmetrical. Enlighten me! | |
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  en102 Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
2 edits | I agree.. I would like to see what constitutes an average user though.
I'm a steady user (work over the Internet) , and I run on a sub 3Mbps/512kbps connection.
What it comes down to is what services do you use on the Internet ?
High bandwidth services ? - Web cam - Bit torrent / Kazaa, etc. - Streaming videos - Downloading ISOs (Fedora Core 6 is over 3GB) - Server hosting - Online gaming - X11 / VNC - IPTV
More 'traditional' uses that don't require a ton of bandwidth - Google search - Streaming news (i.e. »cbc.ca/national) - Remote desktop - Email - VPN - Vonage/Skype
I guess the question should also relate to the cost of service.
I.e. I would gladly accept 10/1 for $30/month, and 20/2 for $40/month. If the tiered ratings were...
1.5/384 $19.99 6/1 $29.99 15/2 $39.99 50/5 %49.99
Which would you pick, and why ? Assuming all SLA's are equal ( DHCP, email, etc., and no BS caps). I'd most likely pick 6/1, as I don't need to shell out an extra $120/year for 15/2 or better. If I wasn't working from home, I'd stick with 1.5/384. -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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join:2007-03-09 Columbia, PA | Re: I agree.. I would take the 50/5 for $50 a month since I already pay $52 a month for 8/768 from Comcast. | |
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join:2003-01-01 Boca Raton, FL
| Re: I agree.. Yep, I'm right there with you. I'm more interested in upload but I'll take the increased speed all day. I had a 6/756 account with Adel which netted me 7/880 thanks to generous caps. Now with Comcast I see 8/710.. When it comes to the things I use the net for I'd rather the 7/880 from Adel.. There's word we'll see 16/1 or 16/2 come this summer but I don't see why as there's no competitors offering such speeds.
I'd like FiOS and FiOS Tv but it's not gonna happen here anytime soon. -- TCHRacing.com - Florida's Ford & Mustang Forum | |
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join:2006-01-11 San Diego, CA
| Re: I agree.. but The UL7DL Ratio of the 15/2 is the best off the offerings.
I had 1/512 and my provider switch me to 2/256
And i can tell you 1Mb/512kb is way better than 2/256
If you can't communicate fast enough to keep the download coming, its worthless the extra speed,
If you use WebCAM/CCTV/P2P you will never see the 50mb
as the 15/2 at 7.5 has a better ratio and you should see 13.9??? download average in P2P
while the 50/5 you should see about 25-30MB speed average
the only time you would see speeds close to the stated is when you are downloading a SP2 from MS, or direct transfers from big servers, not P2P. | |
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join:2000-11-17 Hayward, CA
·AT&T DSL Service
·EarthLink
| Re: I agree.. Believe me, I'd jump on 50 a month for 8/876. I'm paying 42.00 a month for 3.0/384 that is there "sometimes" I need 6/768 because I work form home and running a VPN and VOIP and heavy down load as well as the VOIP the poor DSL line is not up to the task. There's no incentive for any of the ISP's to offer anything higher at the same price that they are getting now for the poor performing offers in my area. No one is going to invest in the Infrastructure because they're already raking in the money using old 50 year+ copper or 15 year old Cable wires(which Comcast gleefully raised rates multiple times because they have a monopoly) contract. ATT/SBC advertises fantastic bundles as hooks but can't/won't deliver because it would mean stringing new wire and building/investing in more/newer COs. You're probably thinking where does this person, out in the sticks somewhere- nope- 30 miles from the heart of silicon valley with 1-2 million dollar homes all around. when the Broadband people have you over a barrel, you have to pay to play (or work) by what bones they they throw you! | |
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join:2007-06-10 Rockwall, TX
| Re: I agree.. I just moved from the other side of the Bay, where Comcast had some great download (over 10 Mbps whenever I tested it), but the upload was always below 700 kbps.
I just moved to another state and live "out in the boonies", as well (suburbs od Dallas). The cable provider has a lousy track record and unimpressive speeds, and dsl doesn't cover me. So I decided to try out a wireless provider with a money-back guarantee. My downloads are over 6 Mbps and, more importantly, my downloads are over 1 Mpbs (I've seen as high as 1.3 Mbps thus far). Service is $50 per month.
Any chance you have a wireless ISP that serves your area?
The owner of my ISP tells me Motorola has some new equipment that handles 20M/20M... | |
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join:2003-05-12 Charlton, MA
| 50/5 is probably what I would pick however the Upload to that download is WAY out of line.
This is what people JUST DON'T GET. asym connections are bad, but some of that badness can be delt with if the up to down ratio is handled correctly. For a 50 down the Up needs to be around 25 to 30...at 5 up the 50 down will never actually work and will operate more like 15-20. The TCP/IP and UDP/IP protocols throw around alot of data. TCP more than UDP, but in either case a download actually uploads (in the sense of talking back to the server you are downloading from) quite a bit.
This is one of the reasons why you can actually see better performance from a symmetric connection that is lower speed. With the better matched up/down speeds the conversation flows better. | |
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join:2006-01-03 New York, NY | Re: I agree.. Not true 50 down will work fine with as little as 1.5 up. The overhead is only 3%. | |
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join:2005-07-15 Gulliver, MI | 25/25 would be nice.... 6 Meg is something people would have liked 10 years ago. | |
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  Bobcat Volvo sucks donkey balls Premium join:2001-02-04 Bedminster, NJ | 3 Mbps is fine for me Especially since it's only $29.95 per month. | |
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  ColorBASIC 8-bit Fun Premium join:2006-12-29 Corona, CA
2 edits | I could live just fine on dial up But it would really put a crimp in my software and movie piracy efforts 
I use as much as I can get but if 6Mb were it, I would just use that. Thankfully I get 15/2 and am a happy camper.
I would agree that the "average consumer" would do just fine on 6Mb. I'm certainly not the average consumer and being a warez whore suck down data like it's air. Even then I did just fine on 3Mb and 7.1Mb DSL for a long time. It just changes your habits. 3Mbs meant setting up stuff for download overnight where as now if it's less than 3GB I'll sit and wait for it. -- Macintosh Users Group Serving the Inland Empire | |
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@ameritech.net
| Re: I could live just fine on dial up Amen brother. My neighbors have 3Mb/s and they use so little of it they dont even know I drain the rest of it with my invisible Cantenna connection. And now I hear they are bumping it up to 10Mb/s. Woo Hoo, I need to put up more cantennas so I can Dl twice the movie goodness. I just looooooove WiFi.  | |
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join:2000-11-09 | more upload plz...... lets make broadband symmetrical for all data plan speeds is what would work for me!
mike -- CH3NO2-Fuel me UP-Let's race! | |
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join:2007-05-06 Port Orange, FL
| Re: more upload plz...... said by mph300 :lets make broadband symmetrical for all data plan speeds is what would work for me! mike It will never happen. Let alone 4:1,3:1,or even 2:1 ratio. The problem with asymetric is that it's too asymetric. Usually from 6:1 to 15:1 which is just horrible. | |
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join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN
| Depends 6 Mbps is probally fine if your single and have one computer. If you have 2 computers and a Playstation or XBOX also on the internet, then no it's not near enough.
Also, do I care if a song takes 2 seconds or 10 seconds to download? Yes actually I do. What if I decide to download a movie from netflix or something? 6Mbps isn't going to cut it. | |
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join:2007-05-06 Port Orange, FL | Re: Depends if you decide to download 6mbps if more then enough heck even 3mb is enough. IMHO. | |
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join:2001-03-22 Madison, NJ | It's not just bandwidth... ...many cable braodband providers still limit the monthly GBs one can use and charge extreme fees above a given level. | |
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join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: It's not just bandwidth... True... especially outside of the U.S. Comcast did in the past, I'm not sure if they still do. -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN
| said by IanR :...many cable braodband providers still limit the monthly GBs one can use and charge extreme fees above a given level. I don't of any that do for anything under 300 GB except satelite which can be as low as 6 GB a month. | |
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@ameritech.net
| Re: It's not just bandwidth... I didnt know it was 300Gb Thats about what I do with each of my cantenna connections. And thats a reasonably nice number too. But I hear the speeds are being bumped up to 10 from 3Mb/s so I wonder if my DLs are going to go thru the roof. Hopefully the invisible caps will increase as well.  | |
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join:2001-11-15 Odessa, FL | square connection 5 up by 5 down !
But it'll never happen! -- The Light Pipe is the Right Pipe !!! | |
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join:2006-10-25 Lakewood, CA
·Verizon FIOS
| what do I need I need FIOS..I want symmetry..I would like a choice. If I want 5/3 or 5mg/5.mg or more I would a least like the option (a realistic option under 50.00 mo) At this point my only option w/o cable tv is verizon dsl with 3/768 which for now is rock sold but is starting to feel slow.
This is sort of like the old statements in the 80's of how much computing power we "needed".
My wired connection in the office is 100/100mb. I "need" that. | |
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join:2003-09-19
·Time Warner VOIP
| Need faster everything The Internet should seriously get to the point where you click, and the page instantly displays on your screen.
This would not only require more bandwidth to the home, but faster web servers and faster PC's as well. -- »myhax0r.net
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join:2003-12-24 Phoenix, AZ
·Cox HSI
| How Much Bandwidth Do You Really Need? IM on a 12mb down 1mb up and love it except for one thing is that it being cable the bandwidth saturation during peak hours.with that said i would like to see the ratio between upload and download be a bit closer and and see more consistent bandwidth to match that of DSL,other then that ya more is better specially in a house like mine where there are to power user under 1 roof with 2 comp's,xbox360,ps,Voip and theres constantly being large file transfer and gaming going on at all times | |
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 |   hayabusa3303 Over 200 mph Premium join:2005-06-29 clubs: | Re: How Much Bandwidth Do You Really Need? Dont feel to bad i do the same thing but on 5000/384 but i have 4 computers. | |
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@ameritech.net
| Re: How Much Bandwidth Do You Really Need? Me too, but I have 3 Cantenna connections to all my gernerous neighbors. DLing movies and such these days has some dire risks if you own your own house so useing canntennas for anonimity is a very wise move. And my neighbors are truely inocent, so they should do well if the justice system somehow grabs a hold of them. A win win situation for dealing with all those underhanded deep pocket entertainment moguls. Hopefully soon with the persuation of p2p, all entertainment will revert back to FREE with comercial sponcorship, like it has always been with TV and radio. | |
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@rr.com | Re: How Much Bandwidth Do You Really Need? Just cough up the $15 a month for newsgroup access already. | |
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join:2001-04-24 Mount Laurel, NJ | uh... All of it?  | |
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| Simple... I need at LEAST 1Mbps upload and at least 5Mbps download...
I just switched to a business account and the upload is quite important to me as I regularly fire up the Cisco VPN to the house to transfer files to and from clients, stream MP3s from my W2k server and such. -- Prove it... | |
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join:2007-05-06 Port Orange, FL | Re: Simple... That's still not enough... 3/3 or 6/6 is good connection and 10/10,15/15 and so forth in the future. | |
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  ib50MbSoon Formerly TwoKDialup Premium join:2002-06-07 Coloma, MI | How Much Bandwidth Do You Really Need? Easy answer!
Charge by the gigabyte and you'll find out just how important running a p2p server really is. -- Meet Bill and Karolyn at www.theslowskys.com | |
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join:2000-04-12 Clinton Township, MI | What do I need? Well, I can say I would be happy with a 100mb symmetrical connection as our friends in Japan enjoy. | |
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  netgear Restless Native Premium join:1999-12-20 Arlington, TX
·AT&T DSL Service
·RoadRunner Cable
| Yeah, I care! Does anyone really care whether that song download from iTunes takes 10 seconds or 2 seconds?
Yeah, I care, because that 5 to 1 ratio holds up regardless of the size of the file. Applications just keep getting larger and more complex. So do media files as we move toward higher definition video and even audio, for that matter. Imaging continues to suffer from bloat, as well. I have an old Nikon Coolpix 950; when it was brand new it was one of the better digital cameras and its uncompressed TIF mode created an image about 15 meg in size. That is squat compared to today's multi-mega-pixel cameras. Anyone that thinks we're going to go backwards in this trend toward larger file sizes is foolish. Compression technologies haven't come close to keeping up with pixel/sample bloat.
The more the better. Re-write the laws of physics and electromagnetism if necessary and keep that bandwidth coming. The law of diminishing returns does not apply here. | |
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join:2000-11-20 Mobile, AL | We need more upstream With the average being around 512k up it's safe to say that is where the need is. | |
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join:2006-01-11 San Diego, CA
| I'm Using DU Metter to see how much i download this is my data Moth/DL/UL J 2006 24,563,421 KB 11,087,397 KB A 2006 106,673,611 KB 9,698,634 KB S 2006 43,063,082 KB 19,992,422 KB O 2006 32,582,766 KB 32,131,387 KB N 2006 14,057,988 KB 13,528,726 KB D 2006 15,070,781 KB 18,460,836 KB J 2007 8,426,812 KB 37,292,376 KB F 2007 10,962,319 KB 16,047,252 KB M 2007 8,985,000 KB 14,300,747 KB A 2007 8,260,463 KB 23,735,369 KB M 2007 16,156,141 KB 15,580,404 KB J 2007 3,977,713 KB 958,588 KB
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