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clubs: | Re: That $800 T1 Line No kidding I would prefer 1.5/1.5 with zero caps then that crap.
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And with that $300 a month you get caps, 1200ms latency, horrible tech support and horrible speeds during peak hours. | |
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2 edits | Re: That $800 T1 Line The on-board switching, has the possiblity of cutting that latency, possibly in half.
Also, a lot of you are saying "no thanks". But do realize, that this is only the next best thing to dialup--which is still a lot of folks' only other alternative.
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49533 | Re: That $800 T1 Line Sorry, but I'd go with mobile broadband before this. If that wasn't available, I'd still stick with dial-up. | |
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My views are my own.
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@cox.net | So what you're saying is, since they have a monopoly for high-speed, they can charge those folks whatever they want and put whatever restrictions they want--- I see. | |
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | Re: That $800 T1 Line said by GPSF0L :
they can charge those folks whatever they want and put whatever restrictions they want--- I see. If the limitation of the service capability demands it, yes. | |
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | Since it's their satellite, YES.
Feel free to build and launch your own satellite and offer whatever you want for $19.99/month.  | |
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My views are my own.
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1 edit | said by GPSF0L :
So what you're saying is, since they have a monopoly for high-speed, they can charge those folks whatever they want and put whatever restrictions they want--- I see. Glad you do.. but do you really? Where is the "monopoly" that you speak of?
Google is your friend.. "satellite internet" - and then also look at »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly ... check it out.
void of all that.. see the other two replies above mine as well. | |
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Number3fan
join:2003-10-15 | or you could move to an area that actually has broadband, like i did. NO dsl, NO thanks.............
not an option for everyone, just some of us......... | |
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join:2001-08-01
Youngsville, PA
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| Yep, a T1 line, even in my remote area, is about $480 a month. I would certainly take that T1 line over satellite. Plus, the T1 is not going to cap me, latency will be less than 20 ms, I can get almost as many IPs as I want, there just are way more advantages to the T1.
If you are even considering this high tier package, probably because you are rural, consider a T1. The price is more but advantages are far more. Plus, the speeds will actually seem far better than what you get from satellite. Yes, they say 3 megs (5 megs, sorry) but in reality I doubt you will really appreciate it. The "Feeling" on a T1 line while surfing and then sitting on a satellite connection (even VSAT systems) are completely noticeable.
That is another thing. The heading seems to make everyone think there is just HughesNet or WildBlue for satellite broadband, that is not true. If you want to, you can install a VSAT system, use the BGAN network, there area a lot of options usually only used by businesses or people that really travel to places like the jungle, but it is an option which is forgotten. They do not advertise much because
A. They do not need to, they have plenty of customers.
B. Those systems do not want to overload anything like the residential services do.
But still, in most areas (at least here) it makes no difference where you live, a T1 HAS to be run if you order it, and the ILEC HAS to deliver it, part of the negatives to being an ILEC (the ILEC runs the local loop but order from the carrier like ATT or Sprint, or whatever, but the ILEC has to put in that loop) | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
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| Re: That $800 T1 Line have you considered the install that most T1s would cost some people? especially if they had to build out a new line or something. install can almost tripple the price of what the T1 would be. And have you ever seen how high they can go in some rural areas especially if the only one that can provide access to the area is a Co-Op or some small provider that doesn't give a damn? | |
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join:2001-08-01
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| Re: That $800 T1 Line I agree, to a point. But myself having installed T1s to many areas both Alltell (well, Windstream now) and Verizon did not charge distance/mileage.
However there where install fees which could be eliminated with a 2 year contract.
Frame-relay for some reason does have a mileage fee. Not sure why, set tariff rates in the state of PA maybe?
You are in Ohio so it may be a completely different story, but here, no real install fee problem. This is a very rural area so they do have to install a lot of repeaters (one a mile about I think is the rate) but in many cases they are already there (the telco just adds a card). | |
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ME
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Cleveland, OH | Re: That $800 T1 Line Ohio is different VZ and ATT both here normally charge an install. If they do not charge mileage it has to be built into the price for them. Especially in the more rural areas that are miles away from the nearest fiber line they own. | |
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Phoenix, AZ
| said by keyboard5684  :Yep, a T1 line, even in my remote area, is about $480 a month. I would certainly take that T1 line over satellite. Including loop charge?
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join:2004-09-30
Nitro, WV | Re: That $800 T1 Line Yeah, I can provide a t-1 just about anywhere in the state (WV) for around $300. | |
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join:2004-05-19
Morgantown, WV | Re: That $800 T1 Line Really? Residental? | |
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join:2004-09-30
Nitro, WV
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| Re: That $800 T1 Line Pretty much anywhere. Now, that's DATA ONLY. We re-sell ntelos T-1s, we handle all the traffic through our routers across our Metro Ethernet fiber. Of course Verizon still owns all the copper, and would have to make a change or two, but there's no difference in copper coming to your home and the copper coming into your business. The only thing that would have to be done, is a pair at the CO be punched down for a digital connection for the smart jack that would have to be installed on your premesis. T-1s these days are pretty much DSL on crack, to get around loop distance limitations. They're not TRUE serial T-1s anymore. | |
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join:2004-05-19
Morgantown, WV | Re: That $800 T1 Line I'll have to keep you in mind. thanks. | |
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join:2008-07-04
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1 edit | Hmmm - very interesting. OK, so I live outside of Summit Point, WV. Frontier is my telephone company. The CO is in Charles Town - about 8 miles away (the way the crow flies) so I can't get them to provide DSL.
Way outside the range of any 3g broadband.
Can you run a T1 to my house? How much? Seriously.
I live in a small subdivision of 10 homes. If I could set up a WiFi hot spot off my T1 and split the cost of the T1 (Let's say $500?), we could do lots better than Hughesnet.
Is this dreaming or a real possibility?
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join:2004-09-30
Nitro, WV
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| Re: That $800 T1 Line I will ask my boss. I didnt know frontier had any footprint in WV, Like I said, we re-sell ntelos T-1s, and ntelos may have a deal with frontier. I know the most expensive client we have pays $400, and they're all the way down in Williamson. (souther tip of the state)If you would like, you could PM me your street name/zip code and I will see what we can do. | |
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join:2004-06-01
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| Rip off I know satellite broadband is a lot more expensive to provide but those prices are outrageous. Also you get a 24 month contract and take a look at this
"If you are not completely satisfied, you may cancel your service within 30 days of activation. Installation charges are not refundable. If you are on the $0 Upfront Plan, you will incur a $400 equipment and installation fee.
If you cancel after 30 days and are on the Upfront Payment option, there is a $400 service termination fee. If you are on the $0 Upfront Plan, there is a $400 equipment and installation fee, and a $400 service termination fee. For both the Upfront Payment option and the $0 Upfront Plan, you may return your HughesNet modem and radio (transmitter) to receive a refund of $200." | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
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| Re: That $800 T1 Line hmmm that is one customer that pays that. I can bet you anything that you can not get a T1 anywhere in the state of WV for under $400 like you claim. Even if you resell from another provider. Which i don't know why anyone wouldnt go to them since you're giving away their name.
the ILEC gets the last and final say on where they will put a T1 or anything of that sort. you should know that. If they do not want to put it in a residential area or can not due to they do not have the equipment there they can and will BILL the carrier for that and then you will bill the customer. That's even if the ILEC would do it.
The chances of it being done in a residential area?!? SLIM to NONE!
Even with Frontier- i don't see them doing it especially after the cap they put out.
But on another note-- go to the ISP B2B forum and check there about getting a T1 quote. Lots of people there will compete for your business and provide you quotes within a few minutes. They won't have to "check" with their boss. | |
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join:2004-09-30
Nitro, WV
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1 edit | Re: That $800 T1 Line I've never had a problem putting a T anywhere. Some of our clients are out in BFE, and we didnt have any trouble getting a T in for them. It may have taken longer, than say putting one in downtown charleston, but they got a T at no extra cost for being out in the middle of nowhere. My boss just says we can put one whereve ntelos has a presense, and that's at least everywhere verizon has a presense in WV. For business class service, an ILEC/LEC will pretty much do what it takes, with the right contract of course. I dont claim to be an expert about loop length and what not, my job starts on the CPE side of the smartjack. | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
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| Re: That $800 T1 Line you must not have dealt with an ILEC much. they don't care who you are regardless of the contract unless it means that they what want they want and that is always $$$$$$.
But you can not tell me that VZ isn't getting something out of NTelos as far as installation or something else either Ntelos or your company could be eating the install/build out cost if there is one being charged. VZ will not build out a line for free if they're going to spend their own $$$$ and not get anything out of it besides a few dollars for the loop charge. | |
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| said by WVBill :Hmmm - very interesting. OK, so I live outside of Summit Point, WV. Frontier is my telephone company. The CO is in Charles Town - about 8 miles away (the way the crow flies) so I can't get them to provide DSL. Way outside the range of any 3g broadband. Can you run a T1 to my house? How much? Seriously. I live in a small subdivision of 10 homes. If I could set up a WiFi hot spot off my T1 and split the cost of the T1 (Let's say $500?), we could do lots better than Hughesnet. Is this dreaming or a real possibility? WVBill why don't you just give us your home address and we'll check it out?
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join:2005-06-09
Norwich, NY
| About 5 years ago Frontier quoted me a 128/128 line 50,000 feet from the CO at $220 a month.
Now Frontier is capping all its residential DSL lines at 5 gigs combined up and down.
Frontier providing DSL to your area in not much of an improvement. | |
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join:2001-08-01
Youngsville, PA | Does not matter if it is residential, does it? Why would it? A T1 is a T1. | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | Re: That $800 T1 Line it depends on the lines and equipment in that area can support a T or not. If not they telco can refuse to install it or charge build out costs to the carrier or customer. | |
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| said by nnaarrnn :Yeah, I can provide a t-1 just about anywhere in the state (WV) for around $300. A month? or damn equipment? | |
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Kiss It, Kiss It Real Good
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Elk Grove, CA | I am waiting I am waiting for the SuperElitePremiumPlantinum plan myself!
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Rensselaer, IN | Re: I am waiting Don't forget the SuperExtremeDiamondElitePremiumPlatinumPro plan. | |
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Apophis
Jaffa Kree
Premium
join:2001-12-27
Holmen, WI
clubs: | To the Fap Even Faster!! Wow, congrats on hughes for being retarded, now we can all get to the gey-Fap even faster. | |
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join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
| Re: To the Fap Even Faster!! said by Apophis :Wow, congrats on hughes for being retarded, now we can all get to the gey-Fap even faster. Spoken by someone who must have DSL or cable available to them.
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
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| Speed schmeed I tend to agree.
Granted, Spaceway3 may improve latency a bit (those who are on there please report your latencies...I'm guessing they're in the 500-600ms range?) nut sat internet is still sat internet, and at the rate Hughes is going it's like they want to oversubscribe the bird by a disgusting amount, at which point they can FAP you back down to dialup on your $300-a-month plan.
Granted, 5 Mbit from a satellite is nice, but what about the uploads? Also, it looks like the cost per megabit is $60ish all the way up the line, and you don't even get the full speed if you use the connection at all. Heh, in about 13:20 (minutes:seconds) of solid DL on the 5 Mbit plan, you're FAPped. That's disgusting.
As far as T1's go, if you're using sat, chances are your T1 is gonna be expensive, but if you share it around then it should work out, plus it has a 486 GB cap downstream and a 486 GB cap upstream. Yes, I'm talking about the physical limit of a 1.5/1.5 connection. Really puts thins into perspective, that an $800 T1's cost per GB is less than $1, and that's a non-bulk, low-bandwidth dedicated circuit.
HughesNet's sat service, on the other hand, is a joke. How about giving a 1M symmetric Spaceway3 plan for $100 a month, with a rolling 50GB cap per month? That would be reasonable, or at least halway reasonable, doncha think? | |
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join:2006-10-27
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| If I had to have satelite I'd rather pay $90 for Wildblue's 1.5 Mbps package. That cap while also low is at least 17000 MB dowload 5000 MB per month. Sure beats Hughesnets' 15000 MB TOTAL cap per 30 days.
I'm sure this new 5 Mbps tier will cost around $250. How do they think REAL people can afford that? I think it's sad I can get 10 Mbps from Charter for $50 and poor souls living a few miles away have to pay outrageous prices for 5 Mbps internet AND have crappy caps. | |
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join:2004-09-23
1 edit | Re: If I had to have satelite From what I've read recently, Wild Blue is having capacity problems of their own.
I had Hughesnet when it was DirecWay. The service started off ok, but after a year it was garbage. As soon as my contract was up, I dumped it for Verizon Wireless EVDO. Now I can actually do useful things like connect to my company's VPN (can't do that with satellite...not reliably anyway).
Of course I'm especially bitter because I'm too far for DSL and the only reason I don't have cable is they refuse to service my part of the street. It's only 1/2 mile away on one side of my home, and 1/4 mile away the other. My neighbors and I even signed a letter/petition stating we would gladly pay for the cable, but they simply ignore us. Not even the courtesy of a rejection letter. I won't even start about FiOS and Verizon's cherry-picking. Just keep giving more service to those who already have it and continue to ignore the areas you have ignored. That's fine.
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: If I had to have satelite said by jc1350 :From what I've read recently, Wild Blue is having capacity problems of their own. Not sure how that can be since they launched their own new satelite no too long ago and they says they now have capacity for 640,000 customers. | |
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join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
·SONIC.NET
·RoadRunner Cable
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| said by jc1350 :I'm too far for DSL and the only reason I don't have cable is they refuse to service my part of the street. It's only 1/2 mile away on one side of my home, and 1/4 mile away the other. they simply ignore us. Not even the courtesy of a rejection letter. I won't even start about FiOS and Verizon's cherry-picking. Just keep giving more service to those who already have it and continue to ignore the areas you have ignored. That's fine. yeah. I'm bitter. We've had Verizon FiOS terminals and cabling installed for over a year - still no service offering. I don't think its cherry-picking. Instead, you're talking about a national forklift-upgrade for 30,000,000 customers, using somewhat unproven STB's and troublesome MDU installs. It will take a while to get done, and get the bugs out.
I don't envy you having to rely on EVDO and/or satellite, but with only 9 neighbors, in the boondocks, I don't think its very realistic to expect priority treatment either.
Why not get to know your neighbors 1/4 mile away, and set up a WiFi link from their cable modem? (Perfectly legit if you're on FON and TimeWarner). | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | Re: If I had to have satelite TWC and RR (the ISP) does not like when you share outside your home. Not something i'd due. A good way for them to kill your neighbors connection if they wanted to.
They DO NOT like sharing out side of the serviced address. | |
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| Re: It's crazy man... said by netwire :The prices they are charging do not meet the service they are supplying. I do understand however, that some people who have no other option would be more than happy to splurge (if the can) on service like this. To be honest with you, back before I discovered EVDO in my area I most likely would have thought about forking over that kind of cash seeing I do not have DSL or Cable in my area. I think the money would be better spent forcing telco's to expand their network to more rural areas. problem with EVDO is the 5 GB cap and $256 per GB overage fee. | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | Re: It's crazy man... they built the network they designed it they paid for it. Don't like it don't use it.
You are always free to launch your own Sat. or even build your own EVDO network. Aircell did and so can you. | |
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Camden, TN
| Re: It's crazy man... said by hottboiinnc :they built the network they designed it they paid for it. Don't like it don't use it. You are always free to launch your own Sat. or even build your own EVDO network. Aircell did and so can you. What is your issue with me? Quit stalking me. Seriously you are creeping me out. Any more bullshit from you and I'll have the mods ban you. Now fuck off. | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
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1 edit | Re: It's crazy man... what shit am i giving you? i simply replied to your post?
How am i stalking you? i'm not sitting out side of your house I'm on a public website just as you are. If you don't like it get over your fuckin self.
I don't give a fuck if you have the "mods" ban me. I could give a shit less. I'm the one cry baby on here.
And one more thing- i'm not afraid of their "warnings" either. What's Karl going to do write a "story" about me? OOOOOOOOO | |
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join:2003-04-13
Lake Charles, LA | 500MB a day? What is with those caps? Most game patches take half of that, while demos these days take more than 1GB. Not to mention the extreme prices for the privilege of not being able to use the service. | |
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join:2006-10-24
Fairmont, WV
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If you actually get those speeds you would hit the FAP in a minute and 40 seconds... someone has some real math wizzes in the marketing department.
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Mark for moderation
Premium
join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN
·Comcast
| HA How long till they max out this new speed tier? They see that they have a new satellite then later down the road, their going to find that they taxed this one to the brink also..then it'll be just the same as it is now. 
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join:2005-01-26
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