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Hulu Top Executives Depart
As Broadcast Owners Keep Hulu Shackled
by Karl Bode 08:35AM Monday Jan 07 2013
Tired of cable and broadcast owners who don't want a truly innovative Hulu because it would disrupt traditional TV, Hulu's CEO and CTO say they're leaving the company. In a blog post, CEO Jason Killar stated that the decision to depart is "one of the toughest I've ever made."

The announcement comes as Hulu owners Disney, News Corporation and Comcast continue to bicker over the direction of the company while failing to adequately invest in content licensing.

Though Comcast's decision rights are currently curtailed by temporary NBC acquisition conditions, all three would prefer the company be little more than a glorified advertisement for cable TV, and as a result the operation has continued to flail behind more dedicated video operations like Netflix and Amazon.

One can only imagine that piloting a ship that is never allowed to pull up anchor is a frustrating experience.

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jseymour

join:2009-12-11
Waterford, MI

Relatively Worthless

We tried Hulu Plus for a few months. We dumped it for lack of content.

Jim
Chuck_IV

join:2003-11-18
Connecticut

Re: Relatively Worthless

It wasn't just the content but the commercials. When they first started the commercials were an annoyance but somewhat acceptable, but as they progressed, so did the length and frequency of the commercials.

No thanks. I'll stick with Netflix.

jseymour

join:2009-12-11
Waterford, MI

Re: Relatively Worthless

said by Chuck_IV:

It wasn't just the content but the commercials. When they first started the commercials were an annoyance but somewhat acceptable, but as they progressed, so did the length and frequency of the commercials.

So what are they like now? It was a year ago last summer, so close to 18 months ago, I had H+. IIRC, there'd be a single short advert at the beginning of half-hour shows, and another short advert mid-way. I found that acceptable.

Jim
Chuck_IV

join:2003-11-18
Connecticut

Re: Relatively Worthless

I dunno, I haven't used it in about 6 months, but the initial 15 second advert progressed to 30 seconds then I believe 1 minute, depending on the show. They also had started inserting adverts into the middle of certain shows.

We were initially trying it on a free month and at the time decided to keep it for a while since, while we DVR many shows, at the time we only had 2 tuners to record on and ended up with conflicts. So we would use Hulu to catch episodes we didn't record.

Now that we have the 5 tuner Directv box(plus another DVR networked together), we have plenty of recording capability now.

If there's something on a channel which we don't get, we simply wait for it to hit Netflix.

Subaru
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said by jseymour:

said by Chuck_IV:

It wasn't just the content but the commercials. When they first started the commercials were an annoyance but somewhat acceptable, but as they progressed, so did the length and frequency of the commercials.

So what are they like now? It was a year ago last summer, so close to 18 months ago, I had H+. IIRC, there'd be a single short advert at the beginning of half-hour shows, and another short advert mid-way. I found that acceptable.

Jim

On shows I watch it might have like 3-5 short under 1 min commercials.. better then watching it on cable tv where a hour show has over 5 min worth.

I only use hulu+ to watch 5 shows I can't always keep up with.
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old_wiz_60

join:2005-06-03
Bedford, MA

Re: Relatively Worthless

Broadcast TV and most cable shows have 20 minutes of ads per hour.

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Re: Relatively Worthless

Oh yeah good call, I notice what they call an hour show on broadcast TV is only like 40-43 min on Hulu with the ads.
Kearnstd
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said by old_wiz_60:

Broadcast TV and most cable shows have 20 minutes of ads per hour.

You can see this on Netflix, find some older shows and some even reached 50min in length. some of the newest content is 42 or even 40min in length for a 1hr show.
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tcope
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About the same. Hulu commercials are getting longer and longer. Pay for Hulu Plus and you are _still_ fed commercials but they appears to be shorter (around 30 seconds).

Personally I'd never pay for Hulu Plus as if I'm paying for shows that have already been on TV I see no reason to watch commercials.

Hulu Plus competes with DVRs. Recording a show to watch later is basically free. I agree that Hulu is shooting themselves in the foot. But the Motion Picture Industry has a history of this and being _way_ out of touch with reality.
TechnoGeek

join:2013-01-07
Never had hulu plus, but I remember a long time ago figuring out how to block the ads without blocking the video itself.

You got a black screen for 5s or so instead of an ad :P. You basically determined the addr of the ad server, and put in in your hosts file pointing to localhost.

Worked wonders on TVLand online streaming also.
8744675

join:2000-10-10
Decatur, GA
Yeah, and Hulu always said "Brought to you with limited commercials", which is one or two about every 10 minutes. I'd hate to see if the commercials weren't limited.

And most of the commercials either get stuck in the middle or only play half way and then another commercial starts.

wantedtolike

@qwest.net
Same thing for me -- content is minimal and never seems to ever increase, as they seem to have to shuffle shows in and out. I am pretty sure this was the content owners request, as it's not that hard to keep adding hard disks to an array to get more content to your customers...paying customers.

The commercials were ok in the beginning...a few years ago, but now the frequency and length of the commercials they display is annoying, and I wonder why I am even paying the $7.99 or whatever.

I cancelled Hulu Plus about two weeks ago and took their "Please stay for another month for FREE" plea - I will still cancel, as I already made the decision and haven't even used it since I hit the "Cancel" button that night.

Tip to Subscribers based businesses - when I make the decision to hit the "Cancel" button, my mind is already set that your service isn't usable to me and I will likely use it once or twice more, or possibly never again, based on my feelings.

I know that the owners of Hula...as insane as it may sound, DO NOT want Hulu to succeed -- so there you have it Comcast/Fox/Disney-ABC......I won't use your Hulu or pay for a monthly TV subscription, so I guess you lost again.

Morac
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What's worse about Hulu Plus is that it doesn't even have as much content as Hulu (plain). Want to watch The Simpsons using Hulu Plus on your TV? Well you can't. You can watch the free Hulu version on your PC though.

It's stupidity like this that will kill the service.

When Comcast's acquisition conditions expire, I suspect they'll pull NBC/Universal programs off Hulu (at only put them on StreamPix) at which point Hulu will die.
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jseymour

join:2009-12-11
Waterford, MI

Re: Relatively Worthless

said by Morac:

What's worse about Hulu Plus is that it doesn't even have as much content as Hulu (plain).

Yeah, that kinda blew our minds. We signed up for it, thinking we could probably do away with the DVD recorder. Nope. Not even close.

I don't get it. If we DVR a show, we skip the commercials entirely. They could have us for the commercials, plus get $8/mo. from us. Makes no sense to me.

Jim

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said by Morac:

What's worse about Hulu Plus is that it doesn't even have as much content as Hulu (plain). Want to watch The Simpsons using Hulu Plus on your TV? Well you can't. You can watch the free Hulu version on your PC though.

It's stupidity like this that will kill the service.

When Comcast's acquisition conditions expire, I suspect they'll pull NBC/Universal programs off Hulu (at only put them on StreamPix) at which point Hulu will die.

I only watch shows on Hulu+ which is NBC and Fox and maybe something else but not much else.
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dvd536
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AOL

Hulu just like AOL just needs to die.
even their PAY product has ADVERTISEMENTS!

if hbo started putting ads i'd drop em like a hot potato.
i'm paying to NOT have ads.
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aaronwt
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Woodbridge, VA

Re: AOL

HBO has ads all the time. I can't turn HBO on without seeing an ad for one of their series or upcoming movies. All the premium channels do this. It is very annoying.
Chuck_IV

join:2003-11-18
Connecticut

Re: AOL

Not during a show/movie they don't have ads. That's my quip.

88615298
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West Tenness
said by dvd536:

Hulu just like AOL just needs to die.
even their PAY product has ADVERTISEMENTS!

Last time I checked I pay for cable and I see PLENTY of ads. Sometimes they have 30 minute ads. They're called infomercials. usually on at the exact time I'm actually up and want to watch TV.
tcope
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Re: AOL

You pay cable company for delivery of content as well as delivery of new content. Would people pay as much if they only deliverd reruns to your home? On top of this, Hulu Plus customers already pay for their own delivery of the content.

Truth is, the service should be "discounted" (either commercials or fee) as it's "old" content. Same as the stuff on Netflix.

I'd not support the crooks at the movie companies trying to get paid 3 or 4 times for the same content. Not on my dime.

88615298
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Re: AOL

said by tcope:

You pay cable company for delivery of content as well as delivery of new content. Would people pay as much if they only deliverd reruns to your home? On top of this, Hulu Plus customers already pay for their own delivery of the content.

Truth is, the service should be "discounted" (either commercials or fee) as it's "old" content. Same as the stuff on Netflix.

I'd not support the crooks at the movie companies trying to get paid 3 or 4 times for the same content. Not on my dime.

A) Hulu has new content. Also talk about old content. Doesn't TNT show old episodes of NCIS, and Law & Order SVU and the Closer all day? All of which has about 1/3 commercials per hour.

B) Discounted? It's $8 vs $60 for the cheapest plan through my cable provider. I'd say that's discount.
tcope
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Re: AOL

said by 88615298:

said by tcope:

You pay cable company for delivery of content as well as delivery of new content. Would people pay as much if they only deliverd reruns to your home? On top of this, Hulu Plus customers already pay for their own delivery of the content.

Truth is, the service should be "discounted" (either commercials or fee) as it's "old" content. Same as the stuff on Netflix.

I'd not support the crooks at the movie companies trying to get paid 3 or 4 times for the same content. Not on my dime.

A) Hulu has new content. Also talk about old content. Doesn't TNT show old episodes of NCIS, and Law & Order SVU and the Closer all day? All of which has about 1/3 commercials per hour.

B) Discounted? It's $8 vs $60 for the cheapest plan through my cable provider. I'd say that's discount.

I stand corrected.. Hulu does have some new content. What I was refering to was that this companies already made a buck from the TV shows as they were previously on TV. Hulu puts their TV shows on Hulu about a week later (hence, old content). But the difference between Hulu and Plus (pay) is that you can simply watch these shows easiler then when not paying. This business plan is what helps kill Hulu. For 90% of their content you are paying $8/month to watch shows a few days before non-paying people.

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join:2003-04-10
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A TV DVR is a better investment.

I have had premium Hulu for the past 3 months. Mainly to watch some shows at my convenience.

The UI is horrible across all platforms I have used it on (not counting PC) Roku, Xbox, Sony Streamer, and my LG smart TV. Although better than Amazon Prime, its just not user friendly. If the Hulu app is developed by the platform manufacturer, they need to place some UI guidelines when using the API.

The shows that I watch have had previous weeks episodes removed from the season. For example, »www.hulu.com/arrow only has episodes 6 through 9. While each week they add a new episode, Hulu also removes one. As a paying subscriber I would expect the full season to be made available and not "expire".

What really sucks now is this season intermission. Looks like all the shows have stopped at episode 8 or 9, and will resume in a couple weeks or months? Its been so long since I have watched normal Air TV I don't remember the providers doing this. It may be out of Hulu's control, but I do not see a reason to pay for it while the shows are on break.

All in all I am discontinuing my Premium service and might look into a DVR. Its a convenience I can live without.

NotTheMama
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Re: A TV DVR is a better investment.

Most of the broadcast network shows are on a "holiday hiatus" for Christmas/New Year's where if they air the regular show at all then it's a repeat. This is fairly typical--lots of "specials" etc. Hulu's rolling window isn't new, but that was one of the selling points of huluPLUS--all episodes remain available; if that's gone, then the "Plus" is even more of a "minus" than it was before.
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cybercrime

join:2011-11-23
Honey Brook, PA

they dont care

well they can retire anyway any ceo from any company can work 1 year and retire

newview
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What a laugh

quote:
... all three would prefer the company be little more than a glorified advertisement for cable TV,
I would consider Hulu more of a example of what happens when companies who have no desire to see technology advance any further than what maintains the status quo.
axus

join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC

They actually have original content

We've enjoyed "Misfits", supposedly it's original programming from Hulu.

It's very hard to find a cheap Digital Video Recorder for Over The Air recording. Hulu is a good alternative to paying the Tivo tax.

XANAVirus
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Re: They actually have original content

Really, this (the article) is why I didn't buy into the Hulu hype.

My provider of anime shows, Crunchyroll, doesn't do this kind of stuff that Hulu does. A paid subscription like the one I have lets you have access to all the shows a free subscription has, except you can watch the latest episodes after they're shown in Japan.

No removed episodes, no missing shows, no limitations, most of all NO commercials.

Cable doesn't have any love for anime, in fact Adult Swim's anime block is totally dead now. After 8+ years, I've had to say good bye to watching wihout streaming.
There are no anime channels on normal cable.

At least on Suddenlink there's a free anime watch-on-demand channel, but it has two whole episodes - TWO - as in, two shows with one episode each, and it changes once a week.

There's a paid anime channel on Suddenlink, but who knows if it actually has more content than the free channel - no one will tell me, they all want to me to signup first, pay the $7/month, and then find out. I can't ask for a channel listing first, for whatever reason.

Netflix, eh, I'm not sure if it'd be worth to signup there either, seeing as my shows I love are all cartoons, and there doesn't exist a live-action or sitcom that I like.
Hence, anime and Cruchyroll.
PX Eliezer7
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Re: They actually have original content

said by XANAVirus:

There's a paid anime channel on Suddenlink, but who knows if it actually has more content than the free channel - no one will tell me, they all want to me to signup first, pay the $7/month, and then find out. I can't ask for a channel listing first, for whatever reason.

Isn't this it?
»www.theanimenetwork.com/Whats-On···ddenlink

XANAVirus
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Re: They actually have original content

Thank you, PX Eliezer!

Firstly, I didn't even know the provider for Suddenlink's Anime-on-Demand service had a website, much less one with a channel listing.
(I guess they're named Anime Network.)

Second, it does seem to have more content than the Free-Anime-on-Demand channel, so my question (which has been nagging at me for the longest time now) is finally answered.

Wow, I was not expecting you to pop in to this topic with my answer. I'm in shock, and in a good way - now I finally know what I wanted to know!

David
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I plan on dropping netflix soon...

mainly because I can find the content I want on bit-torrent much easier than i can find it on netflix. I plan on doing more in-depth satellite tv shopping this year as well.