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Huntington, West Virginia Offering Free White Space Broadband
by Karl Bode 09:05AM Monday Jun 09 2014
Huntington, West Virginia is planning a one year experiment in which they'll provide free white space broadband to city residents. The technology uses unlicensed spectrum freed during the migration to digital television, and while heavily hyped for several years has largely continued to see niche deployment. Wilmington, North Carolina is the only other major city using white space broadband (and only in parks and for some city functions). Larger scale deployments of the technology have occurred in Kenya and other parts of Africa courtesy of Microsoft and Google, both eager to cash in on future ad revenue there.

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spewak
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Why?

Why does it always have to be "White" space?

Goliath2k
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Re: Why?

Annnnnnnnnd this is exactly how the incumbent telcos will kill white space broadband -- by labeling it racist

robbyglack

@50.243.146.x

what devices?

any word on what sort of radios will be available for connecting?

kontos
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Re: what devices?

From TFA: The Whitespace radios will be used as the back haul to feed a bunch of wi-fi access points around town.
dsless

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Pittsburgh, PA

Huntington is lacking broadband

My sister's DSL line on works at 1.5/384 if that and she lives in Huntington. Huntington is a old industrial town and at one time was the nation's unhealthiest city amongest other titles(fattest, diabetics, depression, etc). I feel sorry for the kids there.

I was born and raised in Huntington.
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Speed, ping?

So what speed are they going to offer? Is this the same as california's which gets 2-4mbps? Also what would the pings be like?

And what are the theoretical limits on white space broadband? I ask all this because I would like to have this available where I live where time warner wont provide internet over the lines they already ran.

TVWS tester

@68.70.255.x

Re: Speed, ping?

TVWS uses the same channelization as over the air broadcast TV, though with stricter limits on side bands and overall power. The theoretical limits are quite high, some manufacturers are running QAM over these channels just like a DOCSIS cable modem system and in many cases there are multiple channels available so bonding is an option though I have not found any hardware that supports it yet.

Theoretically you can get ~20 mbps for each channel at current modulation. If they're able to move to higher orders of QAM you could see as high as 37 mbps per channel, but I don't expect that to happen outside of lab conditions. Our testing is giving ~10 mbps in "normal" deployment conditions, ie 6 miles non-line of sight. Latency is similar to other wireless systems and is generally less than 50 msecs, though like all wireless systems its dependent on the quality of the connection.

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The Telco in Huntington

The telephone company in Huntington was the Bell System (C&P Telephone). Later on became Bell Atlantic, then Verizon.

And trust me, Verizon WRECKED their W.VA network. When they sold it to Frontier, it was falling off of the poles. Useless.

Frontier is still trying to clean it up today. But even Frontier is a mess itself. Frontier bought the GTE areas in 1993, and on a drive through W.VA you will see TONS of GTE logos and equipment still - Automatic Electric went away in the 80s, but the lawn fridges, T1 repeaters, payphones, all of it says GTE. Central Office still have GTE signs on doors alongside Frontier logos.

You would think that by now Frontier would have put its logo on the equipment by now, but no.

W.VA has a pretty bad telecom situation, if you cant get Cable through Comcast. The small Cable providers tend to suck...

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Re: The Telco in Huntington

I can vouch for this completely, the pedestal in front of my mother in laws house had black trash bags wrapped around it to keep the water out because the door to it was so jacked up it wouldnt come close to staying on. Her phone was out constantly for months on end until I told her to call the public utilities commission and let frontier know she was doing it....New one showed up pretty soon there after.
jjeffeory

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All this happens when one puts minimal money into an area. Things break and infrastructure crumbles. W. VA is one of the poorest states in the country and their citizens don't have a lot of money to invest. I know several people who are from there, but they have moved to the DC metro area or Ohio for better prospects and a better future. So I'm not surprised by what you've shared here about the telecom situation there.

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Re: The Telco in Huntington

Yep, the problem in W.VA is very complex, and you cant entirely blame Verizon for trashing it. But, with what little money they would make as the ILEC, basic maintenance should have been possible at a minimum.

Frontier seems to be doing a little better in this regard, then again I think Frontier is insane for taking on the entire state.

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Re: The Telco in Huntington

Being an IT pro myself for a very large org here in the state I can say without hesitation that, NO they are not doing any better. Orders for circuits placed can sometimes go 6 months or more without being completed. Their billing is a total mess. Their account reps seemingly dont give a hoot because we have few options.

I know people give TW cable a bad rap around the country, but here in WV they are an absolute saint in comparison.

pumpkinhead7

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The state recently gave frontier a lot of money to work on the infrastructure, and they mostly squandered it by replacing copper in places where fiber should have been laid.

That and we wasted a TON of money on a giant router scandal that has been covered in depth on this site and others many times.

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Re: The Telco in Huntington

I thought the Router Scandal was initiated by VZ - regardless that whole thing was an insane mess.

You got me curious about the infrastructure monies...its not the first time such government money was spent incorrectly or squandered.

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would be nice to have a 3rd competition entity

We need competition in IAPs/ISPs. As an example, where I live we need an alternative to the Verizon/TWC duopoly if nothing else to drive access prices down. DOTVWSIS...who's with me?

note...can AT&T Mobility, Verizon Wireless, T-Mobile USA, Sprint, and a handful of satellite providers be considered "competition?" Due to plan pricing (e.g., only 5GB/mo.), I don't think so.
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Re: would be nice to have a 3rd competition entity

I agree Comcast was a godsend when I lived in West Virginia!

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Comcast in Huntington, WV

»www.herald-dispatch.com/news/bri···-changes

The City Council started receiving a lot of complaints from Comcast customers back in late March. Council members acknowledged that Comcast is the only choice there and said:

The mayor, myself and other council members would like to see the city go completely wireless," Caserta said. "We are behind the times in this, and that's the only reason we are in this Catch-22 situation.

Chambers said city officials are exploring all options, including negotiations with Comcast for better contract provisions and making the city completely wireless.
So it seems as if this has been in planning for sometime. Also, interesting that there cable franchise agreement hasn't been renewed since 2008 and is under review.

Huntington's franchise agreement with Comcast making it the only cable television service in Huntington expired in 2008. However, common law dictates that if both sides continue as if there is still an agreement, then courts view the agreement as still valid, said Bryan Chambers, Huntington communications director.

Huntington's franchise agreement with Comcast is under review, and Chambers said an assistant city attorney is directly involved with the process. He said there are provisions in state law that dictate once a contract agreement is reached, there must be a public hearing where the community can voice opinions or concerns.
»www.herald-dispatch.com/news/bri···-changes

Since the above article Comcast has rolled out the X1 Platform to Huntington, WV »www.herald-dispatch.com/business···e-device

[FWIW, the Comcast system in Huntington, WV was formerly Adelphia.]