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Mozilla & Firefox grab market share
(old news - 05:34PM Friday Sep 17 2004)
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Earlier this week W3Schools.com, a Web development tutorial site, noted a significant increase in the number of users hitting their site with non-IE browsers, something mirrored by the gadget website Endgadget. Today found CNET chiming in, their logs indicating Mozilla and Firefox usage jumped to 18 percent for the first two weeks of September, from 8 percent back in January. Using data from WebSideStory, EWeek reports IE's market share has dropped by 1.8 percentage points over the past three months to 93.7 percent of the market.

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ib50MbSoon Formerly TwoKDialup Premium join:2002-06-07 Coloma, MI	You can run but can't hide... Gates owns us! »www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulp···916.html -- The telcos make promises, Comcast delivers!
	permalink · 2004-09-17 17:09:38 ·

BlitzenZeus Burnt Out Cynic Premium,MVM join:2000-01-13 Beaverton, OR	Re: You can run but can't hide... That has nothing to do with this discussion...
	permalink · 2004-09-17 17:13:22 ·

thewolfman join:2003-04-03 Niagara Falls, NY clubs:	Re: You can run but can't hide... Maybe not, but it is funny.....:D
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ib50MbSoon Formerly TwoKDialup Premium join:2002-06-07 Coloma, MI	said by BlitzenZeus : That has nothing to do with this discussion... Try looking at the big picture, like Gates does. -- The telcos make promises, Comcast delivers!
	permalink · 2004-09-17 17:27:12 ·

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Hurry get out your tinfoil hat Billy gates is looking into your brain to steal your ideas.

What is it with the MS bashers of this world that have to drag a thread to its condescending limits. You and all the others are just way to into conspiracy theories.

On the article linked if they were that worried they will make it auto sensing to the OS and allow it to be usable with Linux. In a worst case scenario.
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permalink · 2004-09-17 18:44:45 · Print ·

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Re: You can run but can't hide...

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What is it with the MS bashers of this world that have to drag a thread to its condescending limits. You and all the others are just way to into conspiracy theories.

why would anyone feel the need to defend microsoft?

they have billions of dollars and hundreds of lawyers for that

they have already shown that they aren't half as concerned about you (and all the other people that defend them on internet forums)by making products that are insecure. are you getting paid by them? no? then why defend them?

permalink · 2004-09-17 19:43:42 · Print ·

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Re: You can run but can't hide...

You know if all you anti-micro$oft people would $pend more time trying to come up with a window$ killer and le$$ time complaining about how IE render$ non-compliant HTML, we might be $omewhere much different and much le$$ micro$oft dependant. But no, we'll whine about how poor little Linux ha$ no way to compete; about how Linux i$ better because it'$ harder to u$e (all hail the command line); about how Bill Gate$ i$ the anti-chri$t.
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Re: You can run but can't hide...

said by Combat Chuck :
You know if all you anti-micro$oft people would $pend more time trying to come up with a window$ killer and le$$ time complaining about how IE render$ non-compliant HTML, we might be $omewhere much different and much le$$ micro$oft dependant. But no, we'll whine about how poor little Linux ha$ no way to compete; about how Linux i$ better because it'$ harder to u$e (all hail the command line); about how Bill Gate$ i$ the anti-chri$t.

I use linux and dont even touch the command line....:(

It was hard to use back in 199X....this is 2004 things have changed.
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permalink · 2004-09-19 05:59:14 · Print ·

Hayward K A R - 1 2 0 C Premium join:2000-07-13 Key West, FL 1 edit	said by ib50MbSoon : Gates owns us! »www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulp···916.html BS.... I have notriced the same trend monitoring the stats on my own web site. Maybe not all Mozilla too, but a big increase in non M$ browser use. -- »haywardm.com (Hayward's Key West)
	permalink · 2004-09-17 22:39:03 · Print ·

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[opinion] cringley is an idiot and hasn't had anything valuable to add to the computing press business in years. Posting a link to his site only increases the visability of his drivel, but also makes him, and his "handlers" think he's more popular than he is.

I'm sure I'm not the only person ever to *cancel* a *free* subscription to InfoWorld merely because they continue to promote this twit.
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permalink · 2004-09-20 08:15:29 ·

BlitzenZeus Burnt Out Cynic Premium,MVM join:2000-01-13 Beaverton, OR	Netscape's revenge Open source programs from mozilla.org based on the old Netscape are coming back for revenge
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CO_Chris Premium join:2001-08-28 Broomfield, CO ·Comcast ·Earthlink Cable Mo.. ·Comcast Digital Vo..	Re: Netscape's revenge i did not like Netscape back in the day but man firefox rocks, I have not look back since Jan of 04 from using IE. I still have to use it for the few sites i go to but i don't go there that much any more so 99.9% of the time i use FF. Even got the wife to make the change over to it well she had no Option cuz its my PC..LOL
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Re: Netscape's revenge

said by CO_Chris :
i did not like Netscape back in the day but man firefox rocks

That's how I felt. I always wanted to use Netscape just to not use IE but Netscape was clearly inferior. I wasn't too keen on the Mozilla browser either. I used Opera for a while and I only like it slightly over IE and it's compatibility wasn't that great. Firefox from the beginning has been great and it's compatibility high as well.
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permalink · 2004-09-17 17:58:19 · Print ·

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said by CO_Chris :
i did not like Netscape back in the day but man firefox rocks, I have not look back since Jan of 04 from using IE. I still have to use it for the few sites i go to but i don't go there that much any more so 99.9% of the time i use FF. Even got the wife to make the change over to it well she had no Option cuz its my PC..LOL

I'm in the same boat. Netscape was complete crap to me, but FireFox is awesome.

permalink · 2004-09-17 19:34:09 · Print ·

Nerdtalker Working Hard, Or Hardly Working? Premium,MVM join:2003-02-18 Tucson, AZ clubs:	Re: Netscape's revenge said by Pake : Netscape was complete crap to me, but FireFox is awesome. I agree. Granted, Firefox probably started netscape, but is something entirely different now. -- Touch a thistle timidly, and it pricks you; grasp it boldly, and its spines crumble. -William S. Halsey
	permalink · 2004-09-17 19:44:55 · Print ·

goonting join:2003-07-15 ph	Really very convenient than launching tons of windows...way to go firefox...i hope it will be more compatible to new sites...
	permalink · 2004-09-17 22:45:58 ·

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said by Pake :

said by CO_Chris :
i did not like Netscape back in the day but man firefox rocks, I have not look back since Jan of 04 from using IE. I still have to use it for the few sites i go to but i don't go there that much any more so 99.9% of the time i use FF. Even got the wife to make the change over to it well she had no Option cuz its my PC..LOL

I'm in the same boat. Netscape was complete crap to me, but FireFox is awesome.

Add me to that list.:D
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permalink · 2004-09-19 06:01:04 · Print ·

Logan 5 Wondering what happens next.. Premium,MVM join:2001-05-25 The WasteLAN ·Pacific Bell - SBC	It's a GREAT start........but There's a long way to go when even after losing 1.8% of your market share to the alternatives, you STILL control 93.7 percent of the market. 7.3% up from 5.5% while impressive, is not threatening Microsoft anytime soon.... Keep up the pressure, as 1.8% here 2.4% there will eventually add up.
	permalink · 2004-09-17 17:18:21 ·

cao1964 join:2000-08-09 Danville, PA	Re: It's a GREAT start........but Well considering that as long as it is tied to the OS IE will never really loose that much shares so this means very little, and are they sure that FireFox is from the PC side and not just Mac and Linux users using it.
	permalink · 2004-09-18 20:29:53 ·

hitachi369 Embrace Your Rights Premium join:2001-10-03 Grand Rapids, MI	It must be because of our advertising blitz here. I think if we add another icon on the left side we could see a even larger drop... -- FAQ's are for people to lazy to ask.
	permalink · 2004-09-17 17:18:36 ·

Dustyn Premium join:2003-02-26 Ontario, CAN 1 edit	Re: It must be because of our advertising blitz here. Is DSLREPORTS.com stating by this FireFox logo that they support Firefox, and Firefox alone? What about the full Mozilla 1.7? What about other users who use Safari or Opera...or any other alternative browser? I like IE and Firefox... but come on. No logo in our faces please. Your just begging to create some flame wars.
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said by Dustyn :
Is DSLREPORTS.com stating by this FireFox logo that they support Firefox, and Firefox alone?

It is strictly an endorsement - not about what you can use to navigate the site.

The code for this site, afaik, is as close to 'standard' as possible to support the widest variety of browsers.
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permalink · 2004-09-17 17:44:42 · Print ·

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Re: It must be because of our advertising blitz he

But being somewhat of a news site you do lose most of the illusion of objectivity (at least with regard to browser stories) when you slap a firefox stamp on the side of your page. All I know is I couldn't, with a straight face, post the logo of a particular product in a prominent place on my site and then post a news story like this the very next day.
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permalink · 2004-09-17 22:14:40 ·

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said by Dustyn :

No logo in our faces please.
Your just begging to create some flame wars.

Logo, real easy, Just add It to My current one and voila, Super Animated flame bait.

Besides that 6.3% isn't a whole lot yet, But like others have said every bit helps, And also having a little competition is good for MS, They really need It, Otherwise They are just sitting on their laurels doing nothing waiting for the end.

permalink · 2004-09-17 18:57:48 · Print ·

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Mozilla & Firefox grab market share

This still doesn't explain why over ninety five percent of people who visit my website are still using either Internet Explorer five or six.

I have yet to see a eighteen percent increase in non-IE browsers page views.

65.33% MSIE 6
29.13% MSIE 5
0.08% MSIE 4

4.68% Netscape 7
0.10% Netscape 4
0.31% Netscape 3
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permalink · 2004-09-17 17:29:00 · Print ·

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Re: Mozilla & Firefox grab market share

Because you are one website out of billions.

Just because your website is not seeing an increase, doesn't mean more people aren't adopting a Mozilla based browser.

Just like the examples in the news article, just because they are seeing an increase on THEIR websites, doesn't mean the browser is being adopted.

All it means is their core group of users are switching.

I actually find it sort of funny.
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permalink · 2004-09-17 17:33:33 · Print ·

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Re: Mozilla & Firefox grab market share

said by Matt :
Because you are one website out of billions.

Just because your website is not seeing an increase, doesn't mean more people aren't adopting a Mozilla based browser.

Just like the examples in the news article, just because they are seeing an increase on THEIR websites, doesn't mean the browser is being adopted.

All it means is their core group of users are switching.

I actually find it sort of funny.

Funny why because it's a sample of their core users which for all we know could have nothing to do with the internet as a hole ?

If so that is why I am laughing as well.
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permalink · 2004-09-17 18:47:48 · Print ·

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said by antiphishing :
This still doesn't explain why over ninety five percent of people who visit my website are still using either Internet Explorer five or six.

I have yet to see a eighteen percent increase in non-IE browsers page views.

65.33% MSIE 6
29.13% MSIE 5
0.08% MSIE 4

4.68% Netscape 7
0.10% Netscape 4
0.31% Netscape 3

well...your site is not a site that everyone would visit, so the demographics are probably slanted
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permalink · 2004-09-17 17:35:27 · Print ·

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Re: Mozilla & Firefox grab market share

said by ObdH :

well...your site is not a site that everyone would visit, so the demographics are probably slanted

It doesn't matter, the big picture numbers still stand and with those high numbers this isn't even WORTH reporting.
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hedyd4u Premium join:2003-12-16 Schenectady, NY	well...your site is not a site that everyone would visit, so the demographics are probably slanted No site is visited by everyone, so that means all demographics are slanted. Funny how they seem to all heavily favor IE.
	permalink · 2004-09-17 20:18:01 ·

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said by ObdH :

said by antiphishing :
This still doesn't explain why over ninety five percent of people who visit my website are still using either Internet Explorer five or six.

I have yet to see a eighteen percent increase in non-IE browsers page views.

65.33% MSIE 6
29.13% MSIE 5
0.08% MSIE 4

4.68% Netscape 7
0.10% Netscape 4
0.31% Netscape 3

well...your site is not a site that everyone would visit, so the demographics are probably slanted

I think it depends on the site. My site doesn't get many visitors and I have a 74% IE turnout and Mozilla has 13.5%. Course, my Mozilla percentage has declined in the past 6 months I have looked while the IE has gone up.

To be honest, I don't care what people use. So long as it gets the job done and they are happy. I use both, but I use IE more often. I think the Bill bashing trolls or the Anti-Mozilla trolls can go back under the bridge where they belong.
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permalink · 2004-09-17 21:20:09 · Print ·

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Re: Mozilla & Firefox grab market share

Well, I'll throw mine in for the past week for my personal site. I don't see any difference outside of normal variation.

 Total sessions served during period :  13869

View Browsers by Agent Type Report

Most browsers by brand preference:
  MSIE        with    9074    sessions    (65.78% of all sessions)
  Netscape    with    1677    sessions    (12.16% of all sessions)
  AOL         with    1592    sessions    (11.54% of all sessions)
  Other       with    1252    sessions    (9.08% of all sessions)
  Opera       with     135    sessions    (0.98% of all sessions)
  WebTV       with      65    sessions    (0.47% of all sessions)

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Not that I am a hotmail user. I used to be, before they were bought by Microsoft, but stopped using it at all after that. It just went downhill fast after MS bought it.
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Re: Mozilla & Firefox grab market share

said by sivran :
Not that I am a hotmail user. I used to be, before they were bought by Microsoft, but stopped using it at all after that. It just went downhill fast after MS bought it.

Once Billion Bill and Microsoft bought Hotmail.com the service went down the tubes big time. I wouldn't recommend Hotmail.com to anyone.
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Re: Mozilla & Firefox grab market share

said by antiphishing :

said by sivran :
Not that I am a hotmail user. I used to be, before they were bought by Microsoft, but stopped using it at all after that. It just went downhill fast after MS bought it.

Once Billion Bill and Microsoft bought Hotmail.com the service went down the tubes big time. I wouldn't recommend Hotmail.com to anyone.

I have MSN and my MSN hotmail works like a charm, spam filters are good, interface is nice nifty little features I love.

Should I be suprised someone who has 'anti'hotmail web site and trying to get users to sign up for his crap using hotmails trademark in his domain is going to talk gibberish about hotmail.
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Eat Me join:2002-09-25 Sussex, NJ	All I see on your site is: "We will be back online soon. !!!"
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Kim Jong Mo Dollar Plz Premium join:2002-09-01 North Korea	Re: Mozilla & Firefox grab market share said by Eat Me : All I see on your site is: "We will be back online soon. !!!" It's his new 'advantage' over hotmail. -- »dickcream.com/tandem/ DC/GNAA/YTMND representing world wide.
	permalink · 2004-09-17 18:32:11 ·

Combat Chuck Too Many Cannibals Premium join:2001-11-29 Erie, PA	Re: Mozilla & Firefox grab market share 100% security guaranteed as our servers aren't even hooked up to the internet. -- We don't report the news, WE ARE THE NEWS!-a friendly message from the media
	permalink · 2004-09-17 22:17:47 ·

antiphishing Phishing Scam Terminator Premium join:2004-06-09 Wilkes Barre, PA	Re: Mozilla & Firefox grab market share said by Combat Chuck : 100% security guaranteed as our servers aren't even hooked up to the internet. No actually it's called moving to another host. Thanks for taking the time to tell people that my website is offline. -- Dslreports.com Forum No-Spin zone starts here. »www.antihotmail.com spammers_are_scumbags@antihotmail.com
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Re: Mozilla & Firefox grab market share

said by antiphishing :

said by Combat Chuck :
100% security guaranteed as our servers aren't even hooked up to the internet.

No actually it's called moving to another host.

Thanks for taking the time to tell people that my website is offline.

Oh yes using shared web hosting for your ultra secure e-mail service is very secure. I forgot.
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	permalink · 2004-09-18 04:25:51 ·

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These are from my Hot Sauce site (»www.calantilles.com), 09/05/2004 - 09/11/2004:

1. Microsoft Internet Explorer 2,577 63.45%

2. - 425 10.46%

3. InternetSeer.com 318 7.83%

4. Netscape 218 5.36%

5. msnbot/0.11 ( »search.msn.com/msnbot.htm) 167 4.11%

6. Other Netscape Compatible 140 3.44%

7. NaverBot-1.0 (NHN Corp. / 82-2-3011-1954 / nhnbot@naver.com) 22 0.54%

8. ia_archiver 20 0.49%

9. Gigabot/2.0 19 0.46%

10. webcollage/1.114 16 0.39%

11. psbot/0.1 ( »www.picsearch.com/bot.html) 14 0.34%

12. webcollage/1.107 10 0.24%

13. contype 9 0.22%

14. webcollage.perl/1.107 9 0.22%

15. webcollage/1.103 6 0.14%

16. Java 1.1 5 0.12%

17. Java1.3.1_02 5 0.12%

18. appie 1.1 (www.walhello.com) 5 0.12%

19. falcon/1.0 5 0.12%

20. webcollage/1.102 5 0.12%

Subtotal 3,995 98.37%

Other 66 1.62%

Total 4,061 100%
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permalink · 2004-09-21 16:43:33 · Print ·

SKYHN Lu.. Lu.. Lulululu Premium join:2001-09-16 99999	Interesting I wonder how much more those numbers would be if the majority of the people using Windows that dont know they can use something other than IE, started using something else.
	permalink · 2004-09-17 17:32:39 ·

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Marketing Hype! General Public Doesn't Use

Yes, I use Firefox and like it!

However, most Firefox users are tech savvy and the general population knows NOTHING about Firefox.

Usage jumped 18% among geeks -- who comprise about 5% of the general population. Big deal.

Microsoft has NOTHING to worry about for a long time -- until they buyout the developers or re-engineer IE.
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permalink · 2004-09-17 17:32:48 ·

Oleg Bellsouth Fastaccess Premium join:2003-12-08 Birmingham, AL	Firefox! I don't know about you guys,but firefox Is just for me. A lot of people use Opera,but opera does not have what I need If you look at opera it's does not save cache correctly so you have to refresh page to login etc...
	permalink · 2004-09-17 17:43:03 ·

DonLibes Premium,ExMod 2001 join:2003-01-19	Re: Firefox! Last time I used Opera, it had the every-window-in-a-mother-window paradigm. Drove me crazy. Did they ever fix that?
	permalink · 2004-09-17 17:48:04 ·

Oleg Bellsouth Fastaccess Premium join:2003-12-08 Birmingham, AL	Re: Firefox! They refuse to fix it,because they find nothing wrong
	permalink · 2004-09-17 18:15:55 ·

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Competition is a good thing

Just like AMD keeps Intel honest, Juniper keeps Cisco honest, so shall it go with IE and Microsoft Windows.

With 90%+ market share in both browser and OS, their was really nowhare else to go but down.

IE's tight integration with the OS is an unacceptable security risk IMHO. Security trumps ease of use in most cases for me.
Firefox does 99% of what IE can do; I can do without ActiveX.

Go Firefox!!

permalink · 2004-09-17 18:02:22 ·

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guess what's next

if mozilla/firefox keep gaining popularity it will be the most used browser, which in turn will make it targeted by the people who make ie hacks and the like.

not to say that i don't mind the idea of other browsers, i just say if they keep gaining and push ie out the people who get their jollies by hacking ie will be forced to move over to mozilla/firefox and start spamming them.

but hey what do i know about targeting of software[sarcasm]

permalink · 2004-09-17 18:05:39 ·

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rayondw Premium join:2003-10-26 germany	Re: It's all BBR's fault!! Someone had to do it. Seems like an interesting time to introduce that article.
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Alert TA04-261A -- Multiple vulnerabilities in Moz

Systems Affected

Mozilla software, including the following:

* Mozilla web browser, email and newsgroup client
* Firefox web browser
* Thunderbird email client

Overview

Several vulnerabilities exist in the Mozilla web browser and derived
products, the most serious of which could allow a remote attacker to
execute arbitrary code on an affected system.

I. Description

Several vulnerabilities have been reported in the Mozilla web browser
and derived products. More detailed information is available in the
individual vulnerability notes:

VU#414240 - Mozilla Mail vulnerable to buffer overflow via
writeGroup() function in nsVCardObj.cpp

Mozilla Mail contains a stack overflow vulnerability in the display
routines for VCards. By sending an email message with a crafted VCard,
a remote attacker may be able to execute arbitrary code on the
victim's machine with the privileges of the current user. This can be
exploited in the preview mode as well.

VU#847200 - Mozilla contains integer overflows in bitmap image decoder

A vulnerability in the way Mozilla and its derived programs handle
certain bitmap images could allow a remote attacker to execute
arbitrary code on a vulnerable system.

VU#808216 - Mozilla contains heap overflow in UTF8 conversion of
hostname portion of URLs

A vulnerability in the way Mozilla and its derived programs handle
certain malformed URLs could allow a remote attacker to execute
arbitrary code on a vulnerable system.

VU#125776 - Multiple buffer overflows in Mozilla POP3 protocol handler

There are multiple buffer overflow vulnerabilities in the Mozilla POP3
protocol handler that could allow a malicious POP3 server to execute
arbitrary code on the affected system.

VU#327560 - Mozilla "send page" feature contains a buffer overflow
vulnerability

There is a buffer overflow vulnerability in the Mozilla "send page"
feature that could allow a remote attacker to execute arbitrary code.

VU#651928 - Mozilla allows arbitrary code execution via link dragging

A vulnerability affecting Mozilla web browsers may allow violation of
cross-domain scripting policies and possibly execute code originating
from a remote source.

II. Impact

These vulnerabilities could allow a remote attacker to execute
arbitrary code with the privileges of the user running the affected
application.

VU#847200 could also allow a remote attacker to crash an affected
application.

III. Solution

Upgrade to a patched version

Mozilla has released versions of the affected software that contain
patches for these issues:

* Mozilla 1.7.3
* Firefox Preview Release
* Thunderbird 0.8

Users are strongly encouraged to upgrade to one of these versions.

Appendix A. References

* Mozilla Security Advisory -

* Mozilla 1.7.2 non-ascii hostname heap overrun, Gael Delalleau -

* Security Audit of Mozilla's .bmp image parsing, Gael Delalleau -

* Security Audit of Mozilla's POP3 client protocol, Gael Delalleau -

* US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#414240 -

* US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#847200 -

* US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#808216 -

* US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#125776 -

* US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#327560 -

* US-CERT Vulnerability Note VU#651928 -

_________________________________________________________________

Mozilla has assigned credit for reporting of these issue to the
following:

* VU#414240: Georgi Guninski
* VU#847200: Gael Delalleau
* VU#808216: Gael Delalleau and Mats Palmgren
* VU#125776: Gael Delalleau
* VU#327560: Georgi Guninski
* VU#651928: Jesse Ruderman
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Vathral Premium join:2002-08-26 New York, NY clubs: ·Earthlink Cable Mo..	Re: Alert TA04-261A -- Multiple vulnerabilities in Well, from what I've seen they patch it up quick and its open source so there will be people out there trying to mess around with it. But still secured in my book. However, what I do requires me to use IE and Mozilla based browsers. -- Seti @ Home \|\| Team Discovery \|\| Team Helix \|\|
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Mozilla has released versions of the affected software that contain patches for these issues:

* Mozilla 1.7.3
* Firefox Preview Release
* Thunderbird 0.8

PATCHED...

Shall we discuss the many unpatched issues in IE where the fixes were only made available to XP SP2 users? I didn't think so

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sadowski I Am My Own Doppelganger Premium,MVM join:2000-04-14 Buffalo, NY clubs:	Re: Alert TA04-261A -- Multiple vulnerabilities in Make of it what you want. It came in as I was reading this topic so I posted it.
	permalink · 2004-09-17 19:22:12 ·

silasshu join:2004-04-25 Vancouver, BC	word of mouth is spreading I have a LiveJournal account and last couple of weeks I'm seeing more and more other users flogging FF & Tbird in communities. And there's about a kazillion communities in the site. Of particular interest is the fact that the LJ user base is overwhelmingly 13 - 30 year-olds.
	permalink · 2004-09-17 19:01:55 ·

Theo25 @attbi.com	Wow 5% I love reading news about how dominant 5% can be.... I like tabbed browsing but once IE adds this I will probably switch back.
	permalink · 2004-09-17 19:42:51 ·

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Theres a browser/add-on type thing for IE called Avant that uses tabbed browsing and all that spiffy stuff. I like it better than Firefox because it already has java, flash, mouse gestures, tabbed browsing, popup blocker, google searchbar ect installed and you dont have to go search for them. I like it better than plain IE because it has tabbed browsing, mouse gestures and easy access to controls for turning off active-x, flash, popups, ads, pics, changing proxies and having a large number of different proxies saved that you jsut have to select if you want to change proxies instead of inputing all the info again. It also works just like IE and its interface is just like IE, so theres nothing to really learn.

Me, personaly, I like active-x. I play a lot of games and stuff online and watch quite a few video and audio streams that only work with active-x enabled. I'm behind 2 firewalls, have an active virus scanner and spybot resident, and I run ad aware frequently and keep my OS patched and my virus def's up to date and I dont install active x stuff unless its from a site I trust (pogo.com, yahoo.com ect) So I'm not too concerned about active x, if something gets past what defenses I have, then I fix it, I dont run around screaming the world is gonna end just because I might be compromised.

Just a little help for all of you tired of the IE/Mozilla crap that are tired of not having things work properly with Mozilla and not having extras like tabbed browsing and all that with IE.

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This is accurate, real info. A little old, but still, Doesn't usually fluctuate more then a point or two.
They'll be surges when newer releases come out sometimes.
Usually just temporary though.
5% to 6% is all other Browsers combined.
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WebSideStory Inc.'s real focus is its on-demand Web analytics services for business customers, said Erik Bratt, the company's corporate communications director. But the data collected from thousands of Web sites and 20 million to 40 million users a day has shown WebSideStory that there is a small decline in Internet Explorer use from 95.73 percent on June 4 to 94.73 percent on July 6.
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It's not just WebSideStory observing this phenomenon. OneStat.com, a Web analytics firm based in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, also reported a downturn in IE usage. The company "confirms this decrease of the global usage share of IE. On January 19, the global usage share of IE was 94.8 percent, and on May 28, the global usage share was 93.9 percent," according to a representative for OneStat.com.
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nixen Rockin' the Boxen Premium join:2002-10-04 Alexandria, VA ·Cox HSI ·Speakeasy	Don't Get Me Wrong I love my firefox, but you really can't judge general browser market penetration from the statistics of technical web sites. The people that tend to use those sites tend to be a different group of users in the first place. -tom -- "Some people have morals, standards and ideals about quality, but I'm an American: I couldn't care less." --Tony Pierce (paraphrased)
	permalink · 2004-09-18 03:57:40 ·

Bobb Premium join:2001-02-16 Kent, WA clubs: 2 edits	Re: Don't Get Me Wrong Data is collected from thousands of Web sites! and 20 million to 40 million users a day! All types of Websites, thousands! These are the Only Real numbers period!
	permalink · 2004-09-18 18:26:15 ·

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Good for Firefox

Great news for firefox, I have used firefox for a while and I like it. I just wish themes and extensions were a little easier to deal with. as far as firefox being any threat to IE, I dont see how it could possibly be any threat. as far as I know IE is a free product just like firefox is. and the fact that it comes pre installed on everyones computers is always going to give it 90% of the market. but either way use whatever browser floats your boat. I have used linux for the past couple of months and this is defiantly the best browser for linux. "just my opinion"

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I turned my grandma on to firefox

She was having problems with IE and could not gt online. I found the problem to be that she has somehow set a proxy setting. I also found that spybot found 150 pieces of spyware on that machine before I removed it all. I switched her to firefox. I had to explain the changes about look and feel, but she was into it. She loved it when I told her that popup blocking was built in, showed her how to use the built in search engine, showed her how to add bookmarks, showed her how to use tabbed browsing, and told her how much of a safer browser it is from spyware. If firefox is something I can get my grandma hooked on, then I feel that this is a product that is finally ready for primetime.

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Changed to Firefox for good three days ago!

I finally made the move and reinstalled Firefox on my two main computers that I use on the Internet three days ago. Since I am familiar with it and with Netscrape, it did not take me long to accustom myself to this "new" feel, and new it is. It is REFRESHING to tell you the truth!

My only hangup was with the font sizes that I view while on the web, but it took less than a day to get these settings "tweaked" to my liking. I can not visit my banks webpage without having to change my views to a larger font and then I had to change it back to smaller in order to view the rest of the web.

Already having a free pop-up blocker provided by my ISP (Cox) I have not seen the Firefox pop-up blocker in action yet.

It takes a bit of time to get used to, but now when I run my Pest Patrol and Spybot S&D nothing is ever found!

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Funny Stuff

"I'm behind 2 firewalls, have an active virus scanner and spybot resident, and I run ad aware frequently and keep my OS patched and my virus def's up to date and I dont install active x stuff unless its from a site I trust (pogo.com, yahoo.com ect)"

That's hilarious. You need 2 firewalls, a virus scanner, spyware bot, etc. all to keep your Windows machine safe. Imagine if you didn't need all that BS to have a running system (cough, Mac, cough Linux)....

It amazes me what people will do to patch up a POS system when the alternatives work 100000x better.

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So what?

So what if IE popularity drops a notch or two? MS owns 97% of the browser market; they won't miss a few percentage points. The only thing that I ever bothered me is the fact that IE is a virus/worm/trojan/backdoor magnet and it doesn't have to be - any more than MS has to be the promoter of bad html code. It's all done at the whim and direction of the richest man alive.

I remember Archie, Mosaic, Carmel, Chello and Netscape before IE was ever created. Netscape hasn't been worth a tinkers toot since 3x, and the newer versions are certainly worth less than older versions as spyware was added to its download routine a long time ago. Everyone should read up on GAIN and some of the other lying liars working the Internet and your PC. You can learn a lot at »www.pcpitstop.com/ . You can also find some very good PC tools with a small foot print here at »www.analogx.com/ .

I use KDE, Safari, Shiira, and on rare occasion IE. Opera, Mozilla, Firefox and Camino break my machine; I refuse to download Netscape. Four browsers I think is enough if they work without issue, mine do. .

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