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kudos:2 | **AA is winning. argh.. What a sad day.
Before we know it, the U.S. will be banned from any website that these mega corporations see as a "threat" to their business. | |
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kudos:4 | Re: **AA is winning. argh.. They host links to files that break copyright laws. They should be driven from the field. | |
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| Re: **AA is winning. argh.. Well, as usual instead of reserving all un-enumerated rights to the people, the courts chose to deny the right to link to government/corporate censored material. See the DeCSS/2600 case for the root of these problems.
But hey, if the next president doesn't have a distraction for us, we might be able to pass some laws that would please the majority of voters on this issue. | |
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Cheyenne, WY | said by Romney2012:They host links to files that break copyright laws. They should be driven from the field. They potentially link to files that break copyright laws. They can also link to 100% legit files.
VCR's can potentially copy protected works, same with Xerox machines, yet both of these are legal. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: **AA is winning. argh.. CD/DVD Burners too | |
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| | | | | Re: **AA is winning. argh.. According to my interpretation, linking to the "illegal" content is a violation of DMCA Section 512(d) regarding Information location tools, assuming that the servers are located in the U.S.
If they aren't in the US, this is a stupid lawsuit.
Though, I hardly see what a DMCA violation has to do with handing over all U.S. user data to the MPAA.
It would seem the majority of content on these sites: suprnova, torrentspy, mininova, etc. is illegal and the operators know that it... it is sad though, that the **AA's don't try to embrace the technology and understand the overall message of "our movies/music suck and we charge an arm and a leg for it" | |
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Johnson City, TN | Trackers just list peers and what they are sharing, they don't do or host anything illegal. Sorry guy. | |
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kudos:2 | said by Romney2012:They host links to files that break copyright laws. They should be driven from the field. Can i suggest you make a signature that say you're always agree with riaa, miaa etc. If you actually said something different i likely would have a heartattack | |
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kudos:4 | Re: **AA is winning. argh.. said by 81399672:said by Romney2012:They host links to files that break copyright laws. They should be driven from the field. Can i suggest you make a signature that say you're always agree with riaa, miaa etc. If you actually said something different i likely would have a heartattack I hate the RIAA.
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And so do DNS servers! Why, if you're in china, half the internet is illegal! Quick, shut down the internet to preserve international laws! | |
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kudos:2 | Yeah, not to mention the IRS making people pay their taxes, Microsoft fighting software piracy in China, police putting criminals in jail. What a bunch of jerks! | |
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kudos:2 | Re: **AA is winning. argh.. said by Cabal:Copyright infringement is still against the law, unless you can cite otherwise. It's great when members put words in your mouth. | |
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| | | | Re: **AA is winning. argh.. said by peggypwr1:I read some where that someone was able to access torrentspy.com using a cached spage search from goolge? Is this true? There are many programs out there to download to change your IP address to a proxy server address in a country that ignores copy write laws. Best one I've found is Hide IP Platinum. One click and your changed. Only thing is, its a pain in the rear when you open google and its in another language. lol But at least you can still get into TorrentSpy and ISO Hunt. | |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | copyrights are flawed and their current form should be abolished. copyright law should be totally rewritten and be retroactive and basicly a work has copyright for 20 years firm and then goes public domain. i mean should it be illegal for me to download elvis? no it shouldnt because the King died over 20 years ago.
the original idea of the copyright was to protect the artist and make sure they get credit for their work.
today the corperations have mutated that to be to make sure they make optimal profits for the next century.
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Saint-Jean-Sur-Richelieu, QC | said by Rob:What a sad day. Before we know it, the U.S. will be banned from any website that these mega corporations see as a "threat" to their business. What a great day indeed.....stick with your laws and will to control everything, we don't want it here. | |
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kudos:4 | Re: mmmmm Then effing move if you hate it so much. Every damn time this comes up, the anti-US contingency creeps out from under the rocks. | |
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kudos:4 | Re: mmmmm You know what, if you people hate this country so much you should move. There's no reason to stay in a place that seems to wrong you at every turn.
Name the country that is better and move there. I'm sure we'd all be happier that way. | |
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Waltham, MA | I guess you never heard of immigration laws. Most of the ones better than the US also have laws that make it nigh on impossible for US citizens to move there.
Far better to press for CHANGE in our country. | |
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Arlington, TN | just because someone is sick and tired of the country they are living in, mainly gov't, doesn't mean we are going to move... we have loved ones, friends, jobs, and obligations just to name a few that would hinder us from doing this. So please think before you speak.
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Woburn, MA | said by Goober:Then effing move if you hate it so much. Every damn time this comes up, the anti-US contingency creeps out from under the rocks. Oh sorry if I don't instantly agree with everything that goes on in the USA like the general brainwashed public. | |
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I just don't understand that. It would save them a lot of headache if only they would move to a country they like. At daily kos, for example, the cult members over there said in a Kos poll, that they want the president of iran to be their president. I don't know why thet don't fulfill their wishes by moving to Iran. It would give the rest of peace of mind and not have to listen to them dissing America. | |
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| Re: mmmmm said by dick3248: At daily kos, for example, the cult members over there said in a Kos poll, that they want the president of iran to be their president. I don't know why thet don't fulfill their wishes by moving to Iran. Where did you read that, Newsmax? That made the "blogosphere" after the stupid poll had 122 votes, and it didn't say "more" people wanted Ahmadinejad as president; it was 45/55 FOR Bush. Surprising, yes, but stop trying to do the "liberals would rather have the country run by the Iranians!" BS.
FYI, at 1286 votes, the poll is now 67% bush, 33% for Ahmadinejad. A little surprising, yes, but not as kool-aid hairbrained as you make it out to be. | |
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Rosendale, NY | said by dick3248:They hate america but they refuse to move out of the country. I just don't understand that. It would save them a lot of headache if only they would move to a country they like. At daily kos, for example, the cult members over there said in a Kos poll, that they want the president of iran to be their president. I don't know why thet don't fulfill their wishes by moving to Iran. It would give the rest of peace of mind and not have to listen to them dissing America. Sorry sir, but some of us who you think hate this country, actually love this country. We love it enough to make a big stink, and initiate change. Change to make us a better nation for EVERYONE, not just some of us. Many of the people who others call "anti-american," are so pro-american, that they want things restored to where they should be, not to where the corporatists who lobby DC are steering us.
It really steams me when I hear diatribe, making people who actually love the US enough to want to change things for the better, made out to be the villains.
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kudos:4 | I have no problems with free speech. WHat I have a problem with is petty unimportant garbage like bittorrent closings creating anti-US sentiment.
All of you people that think we're losing our rights, how many of you go out and vote? I vote during each election, no matter how important. Yet, the returns I see are dismal. People don't take the time or can't be bothered to take 5 minutes to go vote.
I have zero sympathy for the complainers. | |
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Tulsa, OK | Re: mmmmm "I have no problems with free speech." ... As long as it lines up with your ideology, obviously. All other speech, should of course, be banned. (Such as a tracker file, perhaps?) | |
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kudos:4 | Re: mmmmm KrK, buddy, another thread for you to attack me. So predictable.
Break the law, suffer the consequences. Want to change the laws, then vote in the right people. Clueless lay people that have little knowledge about the laws of our country, particularly IP issues, have no room to talk. It's tiresome. | |
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Tulsa, OK | Re: mmmmm I'm not attacking you... but you are attacking everyone who doesn't line up with your way of thinking.
Fortunately freedom means other people have the same rights to their opinions and ideas as you do. | |
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2 edits | Re: mmmmm I agree. My main point in my first response was that closing a legally questionable website does not equate to this country sucking.
So, I'm attacking those that take meaningless issues and make them into a point of criticism. | |
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kudos:4 | Welcome to the United States of Isolationists First 'we' outlawed online Gambling (Oh, except for horse racing and inter-state lotteries).
Now the **AA is succeeding in driving out a popular and still up-and-coming technology because they can't figure out how to make money off of it.
No wonder so many countries want 'control of the internet' out of the US. | |
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Council Bluffs, IA | Re: Welcome to the United States of Isolationists Won't anyone pleease think of the children!! Thats what the US cares too much about also | |
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| Re: Welcome to the United States of Isolationists said by Jonbo298:Won't anyone pleease think of the children!! Thats what the US cares too much about also Yep, we pretty much run in a "childocracy" right now. I'd love to have a debate or discussion on how we got there.
Seems that nothing in this country can be geared towards responsible adults and adults only. EVERYTHING is for the sake of the kids - to the point where you can't buy a lighter that isn't childproofed. (Come on, any kid over 6 can figure out how those things work.. Was there some rash of 18-month olds being immolated by Bics when home alone?)
It's another topic for another time - well, not entirely, since whenever piracy comes up, the moral champs also bring up that evil spectre of *PORN* (oh no~!) | |
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| | | | | Re: Welcome to the United States of Isolationists The porn spectre is raised because its availability is unprecedented, capiche? | |
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Keller, TX | Re: Welcome to the United States of Isolationists If a child doesn't have unsupervised access to the Internet, the availablilty of porn is zero.
The porn isn't the problem... | |
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| | | The Internet Is an Attractive Nuasance for Most Governments If I ran many of these sites, I would bar US users and it has nothing to do with politics, but simply legal strategy. US Courts will exercise jurisdiction over sites that their users can access. The DMCA permits courts to go after products, sites, and other things that have legitimate uses but which don't take adequate measures to protect against piracy.
The US is a massive and affluent market, but for many it is simply not worth the hassle of dealing with the DMCA.
It is easy to pick fights, but the internet is too tempting a morsel for any government to completely take a hands off approach.
France has blocked pro-Nazi sites. It has blocked Yahoo when they sold Nazi memorabilia on the sites.
Germany has blocked XS4all.
The Middle East certainly blocks sites as does China, Singapore, and to the best of my knowledge Vietnam and Thailand.
No website wants to give it 50 million users, but no one site wants to pay the millions of dollars that these suits cost either. Many of these groups are two guys working at night on Red Bull, cold pizza, while trying to hand on to their day jobs. | |
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ie - While "you" may not be able to talk to torrentbox tracker, those who can and have DHT enabled will pass peer lists to those who can't.
And once you've connected to a few peers, the various PEX implimentations (would be nice if everyone would agree on a single, compatible, version) will also spread the info. | |
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Toronto | Re: DHT growth Exactly. What people are failing to see, is that this is quite possibly the best move the torrent community can make. It is all part of "decentralized" tracking.. the bigger picture, anyway.
By disabling access to the tracker, they are avoiding the legal bullet. This does NOT, however, mean that US users can't download off the peers who are connected to that tracker. Peer lists get shared, and the net effect? You can't "look at" the website.
The MPAA seem to have moved away from trying to SHUT DOWN the websites, towards prosecuting individuals. They thought they could take the easy way out, and try and get the courts to force user data from the websites. This data no longer exists, and so they will have to look for this data themselves.
The problem? How reliable is their method? Will the courts agree with their methods? Do their methods violate privacy laws? Is it WORTH it to take the individual to court? Will they win?
This is a large step in defeating the MPAA, not the other way around. | |
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Suffern, NY | said by anomynous :
I'll bet DHT usage will increase significantly.
ie - While "you" may not be able to talk to torrentbox tracker, those who can and have DHT enabled will pass peer lists to those who can't.
The Tracker is used for two purposes:
1) To find a .Torrent File to use to download the file.
2) To update the list (in your copy of the .Torrent File) of who is downloading (or seeding) the file and thus can be requested for the parts you need.
While DHT can pickup the 2nd function if you do not have access to the Tracker, how do you get the .Torrent file in the first place to gain the fall-back access to peers running DHT Servers? | |
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You need a source for the torrent file; this typically is a web site based index (for example isohunt, torrentportal, mininova, ...)
Once you have the torrent file, you need a means of finding peers. That is the role of a traditional tracker and/or DHT.
Note the "and/or" - a traditional tracker isn't *required* any more, it's just the way things had to be done before development of DHT. It is entirely possible to create and use 'trackerless' torrents with DHT capable clients. | |
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kudos:1 | USA Trackers, sites, and more.. Welcome to the United States of no more freedoms..
Seems we, the citizens of the USA, are letting greedy mega-corps, deep-pocket special interests, and the power-hungry politicians remove all of the basic freedoms we struggled so hard and so long for.
This MADNESS is becoming worse then any dictatorship-ran, soviet-styled oppressed country.. makes me sad to be an american. (Note: no capital "a" used on purpose)
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Midland, ON | OK this USA BS Ok I'm sick an tried of seeing this dumb shit when this comes up. This has nothing to do with the US. The RIAA and MPAA are just using their legal rights to sue a group they feel are taking their money and ripping them off.
If people have enough money they can do the same to the MPAA and RIAA. The torrent site want for a quick fix and hell for all you know they may have got a nice pay out for this quick fix. | |
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| Re: OK this USA BS said by TOPDAWG:Ok I'm sick an tried of seeing this dumb shit when this comes up. This has nothing to do with the US. The RIAA and MPAA are just using their legal rights to sue a group they feel are taking their money and ripping them off. Actually this has a lot to do with the US government. The government is what gives them the rights to act as a pseudo-police force by passing laws and regulations that give them that power. Those laws that have been passed after being paid for by media corporations to the detriment of consumer rights like fair use, etc. | |
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Chico, TX | Re: OK this USA BS Not to mention that the current court system allows anyone to use it to harass anyone else as long as they have enough money.
I'm talking about filing lawsuits against someone without any supporting evidence and delaying any judgement for years with countless discovery processes, all the while costing the defendant large amounts of money in legal fees until they either can no longer afford it or settle out of court just to make it go away. Remember, no evidence needed whatsoever.
That means that I can just accuse someone of stealing some imaginary poem I may have written and force them to pay thousands in either legal fees or a settlement. | |
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Midland, ON | Re: OK this USA BS Your %100 right. The issue is people abuse the hell out of the legal system.
So the issue is unless new laws are passed just for this issue then the MPAA and RIAA will just use the legal system to their own whim.
However you can't just clear cut it say it's cause of the damn US. | |
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Since this is pretty much all about money-hungry (and
power-hungry, to an extent that they make more money)
mega-corporations, let's just remove money.
Actually, let's not just stop there, since everyone
will just start bartering if there is no more money.
Let's take it a step further and remove
valuation.
Now, you're thinking "valuation is a word in
the English language; what the hell do you mean
remove it?"
What I mean is this. It is the case currently that
not just movies and MP3s and any digital works have a
perceived value, but that everything in society
does have this perceived value as well; things like
labor, pencils, thumb tacks, food and water, your
computer, even think tanks, just to same a very select
few. It is also the case currently that we as a
society assign a monetary value to these things, and
that we expect to be recompensated with the
appropriate monetary value when we part with any of
these things. It is exactly how well we do this job
of extracting a high monetary value from things from
which we part (like labor, or selling things on eBay)
which determines whether we are rich or poor
monetarily.
I believe this process is wholly unnecessary, and
detrimental, at that, to the potential which we
collectively have as people.
What we could do is to agree that the value of any one
thing is not defined monetarily, but for that item's
fitness for its current intended purpose. Ergo, labor
would have a high value for, say, building bridges or
destroying dams; and pencils would not have a very
high value for their use as food or water, although
they may have a higher value for their use as thumb
tacks, and a value higher still for their use as a
writing implement. We would agree, however, that
these things did not have a monetary value, nor a
value for the purposes of bartering or exchanging, but
simply were valued for their adeptness for use in a
particular task.
As as result of this manner of thinking, no one would
be required to pay money for something like a
pencil or an MP3 file, but would be supplied with it
given the need for its current use. Because we as a
society can produce enough stuff at least several
hundred times over for everyone to make use of, there
will be no longer an incentive (money) to hoard or to
limit supply of things like bandwidth or food or water
or houses or movies or whatever to those who need and
who lack any particular item.
The way to implement this methodology (aside from
having sheer numbers of people practicing it all the
time) is through education, communication, and
transportation. First everyone must know about
non-valuation and agree that non-valuation is probably
a much better alternative that class strata and money
and greed and power. Everyone must understand that
because we all do produce something whether it
be labor or art or thought to a think tank (or carbon
dioxide and feces for that matter), that we are all
entitled to reap the benefits of a coordinated
producing society in a manner consistent with the
preservation of the society (read: no blowing up the
planet and killing everyone). Next, we must
communicate our local needs to the world at large, and
then transport the items and needs to whichever
locales are requesting them.
This could be the best use for capitalism, and the
purest form of it at that, reducing capitalism to
simple supply and demand and including all
externalities.
At least it would get the **AA off our backs.
ScrewBarter a.k.a. Michael Oatman (and Spun
Rainbow in some circles) currently produces and hosts
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Herndon, VA | Re: How about Non-Valuation? Do you think this is your original idea?
You realize you're describing Marxism, right? | |
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Herndon, VA | Re: How about Non-Valuation? ..And I just informed folks that someone was fakeposting a few posts up. Sigh.
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In Marxism, there was no blatant "everything for everyone" concept, and the rules of "produce to receive" were much more stringent. There was also valuation in Marxism beyond simple fitness.
The implementation of Marxism was quite a different story. The intrusion of bankers' monies into one country to prop up the Soviet government had basically doomed the utopian ideals of Marxism to failure from the get-go. I'm talking about a planetary scale here, not just a country. I would also be in favor of a Popular Anarchist Republic, rather than an authoritarian state.
Not quite the same thing at all. | |
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1 edit | Re: How about Non-Valuation? said by ScrewBarter:Not quite, but close. .. Not quite the same thing at all. So basically you're saying you want world peace, and a pony.
I wish you luck with that, Bro. I truly do.
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| Hm Hm, very interesting. If everyone thought/acted the same, it would work. But i think we are too far gone in reference to the necessity for money. The thing is, the Gov't more or less IS a big business. When you got two guys scratching each others backs....well, you get the point. | |
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| Re: Hm That, and you'd have to only have things for subsistence.
If you collected model trains, you'd have trouble getting 'em, since there is no "need" for model trains.
Alas, until someone creates a market for them - then we start all over again, because Ken the Train Guy has the market cornered on model trains. Hence, he starts Kencorp, who influences the local farmer to give him more grains, since Joe the Farmer's a real big HO scale buff.
The biggest problem with this is that it flies in the face of human nature.
Some people will be better at some things than others - meaning some people will still find "success" easier and in greater amounts than others. Greed will still happen, theft will still happen, and murder will still happen.
Absent laws and valuation, you can still have the rule of violence.
The concept you're describing only works when everyone is of the same fitness, has a 100 IQ, is relatively kind, enjoys working, and has no violent or subversive tendencies.
I need to question anyone who thinks anarchism would work - nevermind "global anarchism". Most people realize that won't work about by the time they're 21 or so. | |
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| | | | Re: Hm If the only people who exist are Ken and Joe, then, definitely there would be a problem. But the process you are describing between Kencorp and MonsantJoe is more of a barter issue. Ken was never getting his HO gauge trains from Joe, but from Po in Beijing, or any other one of the HO producers in the world of, what, 8 billion people. Po got an email which said that he should ship some HO trains in his back stock to Ken's address.
Ken could even be greedy. Ken may have already had fifteen thousand copies of the same HO train. Hell, he probably has a 1:1 gauge or twenty in his back yard. Is this okay? Well, mostly, except for resource depletion, but Ken isn't going to live forever and the trains can be resmeltered when he dies. But why would someone want to do that assuming the society has risen to this point? Sounds a little OCD to me. Maybe he has a less than 100 IQ.
I think with automation, people will not really have to work all that much, and some people not at all (like disabled, MS patients, etc.). We can just build modular factories, maybe even nanodevices.
I'm not sure what flies in the face of human nature about this except that you assume there will have to be no violence for it to work. People will always be killing people (note I said no to "killing everyone"), and those people will need to be dealt with either by reformation or sequestration in much the same way we do currently, by rule of law and peer consensus.
I think that if you think that we require "the man" or "the corporation" to rule us in order for all people to be civilized is number one to greatly underestimate the potential of humankind, and number two not recognisant of the current state of affairs.
BTW, I figured Marxism/anarchy wouldn't work as written by around 17 and got on developing a potential fix for the matter. | |
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Cheyenne, WY | To Bad Well I for one do not down load movies from bit-torrent sites. I feel that I am getting good value for my money with the DVDs I purchase. Considering the added content and such most of the DVDs come with. To me it is a waste of time downloading a low resolution crap copy of a movie, most of which I would not go to see anyway. I have a movie-plex theater across the street from me and for 99% of what is showing I won't even walk across the street to see it. What I do download is programming which is not available in any form which, for me, is English documentary TV shows. Time Team, History Hunters, Horizon, ETC. Channel4 ran a show called "The Great Global Swindle" which was a total indictment of the Global warming movement. This show would be seen on one of the Discovery Channels but to date I have not seen any indication that it is going to be aired here. It is interesting Channel4 actually refers people looking for old episodes of programs such as Time team to one of the two sites which tracks them. The deal is if Channel4 releases a DVD for a Time Team episode, this episodes will no longer be available through these sites. This works for me.
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| WTF! ok here is my spin on the P2P thing:
In defence of MPAA
If any of you had a business, and people were sneaking in the back door and stealing things, you'd call the cops and have them arrested without thinking about it.
Well, by downloading movies and not paying for them from legit sources, is simaler to that situation. You are stealing from company that produced that film.
Which, I am sure, encourages them to produce more.
In defence of movie down loads
I can't list the number of times I have been burned by the movie trailer. The trailer loked so good, then th movie turns into a turd.
Then there are the cases of when the movie has yet, or never will be, released in DVD format. Hence one reason why P2P is a good thing.
P2P is also good for companies with limited bandwidth.
As for Bittorrent sites blocking USA? That is up to them.
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| bottom line...greed say what you want money is a horrid system....the way its designed was not meant to be HORDED by anyone corporate entity...but it is...without flow there is no return...that's why the RICH only PAY THE RICH!!! THINK about it so and so works for big name is rich because of it...buys a lexus...lexus is already rich...no one gets that money guys its a circle of elites passing money to and fro from each other while the middle class DUMMY is trying to buy that expensive car that ...what? goes to the already rich...its a sad situation plus wages...please, we can not even buy houses without being slaves WAKE UP!
Point blank you will prob chant life is not easy and your right if life was somehow definable by dictation that's why we say this country is in a sad state because its the way things are that are not easy cause of the country and laws that pass without any NOTION to the people and even when they are WE are IGNORED your not fooling anyone with this vote shit deal with it its broken and bought out by the elites. Eventually either a revolution will happen or this "economy" is going to fall into itself and thus DIE! done. | |
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The point is, if you think the only files people share with each other are illegal, your a complete idiot and you should be barred from the internet, since, in your feeble mind, you reading this after I typed it, must surely make it illegal in some way, after all we are sharing here. 
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One would think DSLreports's writers could be capable of writing an accurate article, apparently this is not the case. | |
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Ok, so there are powerful corporations running the show and the greed and unfairness etc. but one way or another things will work themselves out. Let the MPAA and RIAA keep spending money in something they will ultimately lose the and life will go on. Ok so ISOHunt is out. There are 10 to take their place TODAY that are not subject to US law and probably 10 more popping up soon. | |
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| Russia - The Answer! Well, if they ever take down PirateBay.org I'm sure some Russian will open up a site for torrents since their copyright laws are very liberal and they love to thumb their noses at our laws anyway.
I enjoy going to the movies on opening night and frequently take my kids. I tend to think that most people who might download a movie illegally is most likely not going to go see it anyway and wouldn't buy it so it's not actually harming the motion picture industry. The problem is cable and the internet. Cable TV and the internet take up so much more of people's time these days that the old network system and the old movie system are losing viewers. But they have to blame someone. | |
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