ISP Offers 200 Mbps Residential Service In Vancouver Novus 200 Mbps FTTH service launching February 12 Tipped by andyb 
If you thought 100 Mbps was little more than an impractical marketing gesture on the part of ISPs, then what about 200 Mbps? Canadian ISP Novus issued a statement today saying they would begin offering 200 Mbps fiber to the home service starting February 12 for $279.95 per month ($261 US). That officially gives Novus, which has been engaged in a marketing battle with Shaw in Canada, claim to the fastest residential service in Canada. "We noted a recent survey by Harvard University (pdf available here, -Ed.) which found that Canadians' access to superior broadband performance and infrastructure ranked poorly among developed countries," says Donna Robertson, Co-President and Chief Legal Officer of Novus. "While these results are disappointing, this provided Novus with the opportunity to not only take this challenge head on and provide customers with superior Internet speeds, but to also set us apart from the competition." You'll recall that Shaw and Novus have been having a heated debate over Shaw's decision to drop a pricing bomb on Novus markets. To beat back advancements by Novus FTTH service, Shaw started offering Vancouver locals some unheard of deals, including 15Mbps service with a 100GB cap for $9.95 ($9.13 US), 200 channels of TV service (with 25 high-definition channels) for $9.95, or digital phone service with free installation, also for $9.95 a month. Novus responded with an ad campaign that ran outside of their markets, informing Shaw customers that they weren't being given the same amazing deals available to Shaw customers in Novus markets, while accusing Shaw of predatory pricing. Shaw responded with a defamation lawsuit that claimed Novus was "spreading misinformation." With the Novus launch of 200 Mbps service (however impractical that might be for normal user needs), the marketing ball now lies back in Shaw's court.
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  imtim83Hate the people from there. Stop copyingPremium
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Kenner, LA | Sure if it was cheaper Has to be less expensive for people to want it. I could live with 100 Mbps but the more the better! | |
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kudos:3 | Re: Sure if it was cheaper All this really is... it's just a marketing thing to say "hey, our network can do 200mbps..." ... no residential person is really going to take this insane price point.. and even if they did, so few would take it that it wouldn't over load their system in the first place.. but even with FTTH, it shouldn't bother them.
Personally, the ISPs need to rethink their offerings.. many of them (Cable with DS3, and FTTH providers especially) need to come up with pricing points of a lower economy tier for light users such as a "web" package like a 3/512 with no a reasonable cap of about 100gb for about $24 a month and then a ultra high speed package for those that really want to use their connections at the max speeds sustainable to the network for about $99 a month, again, with no cap. The higher tier, however, should be port blocked against any kind of server. The higher tier would be good for people wishing to use video services over high speed or for larger file transfers, etc.
Those were just examples, but, they really need to tailor them to the USE of the end-user.. not necessarily tiers with incremental increases in speed and caps.
What they currently have now assumes that people wanting faster speeds are going to use more.. in fact, I feel that most people are going to use the net pretty much the same, just get it done faster. They're still tying a 5meg increase in speed with people downloading more.. with my suggestions, they're being honest upfront about the type of use the end user will be likely to use their service for, and price it out accordingly... if people are going to use more internet video related product to the TV and they'll attrit the video and phone service to another provider.. then give them the speed and price it out accordingly.. pretty simple. | |
| | | | | | | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
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kudos:3 | Re: Sure if it was cheaper Absolutely SO!
Where do you come off saying that it's your connection that you'll do with it as you please? ...do you enjoy the same pleasure with a rental home or apartment? no.. you don't.
Many of the ISPs have always blocked ports on residential services as they're not built or designed for that kinda use. Believe it or not, it's THEIR connection and you pay for a limited right to use it.. THAT is a fact. If you want to run a mail server on your connection, well, then that's not considered "typical residential use"... so, buy a business class service that allows for that, like I do, and many others do.
And, just because you have a "home based business" doesn't mean that residential service should apply to you as well... it's been long established that your connection, be it phone or internet, is a business tool then.. and for that, you should pay the business rate. How is your desire to work from home and call yourself a "business" exempt you from having to have the proper business tools?
If you're going to be a residential user.. then be it.. you get the residential provisioned service with residential rates and terms... if you're going to call yourself a "business" and need tools that a business uses AND make money from that connection, they you need to be honest with yourself and do just that.. get business service and operate honestly.
And I'm sorry.. i don't agree with "less nanny ISPs".. these rules have been around for years going back to the telcos.. it's THEIR networks.. in the end, THEY are responsible for them - not you. The issue is that the mindset of the consumer wants to change, which is fine, but you don't always get what you want.
For the record.. my comcast business class HSI is $69 a month.. that's just 20 more a month than residential... if you're wanting to run a "business" then fork over the extra money for it and stop blaming the ISP that you want to run a "home based business" on a residential service.
You're either a business or not.. which is it going to be? It doesn't matter if it's "light" or not.. if you're making income off the service, which you are, then you're a business.. it sounds like you're trying to justify yourself like those so-called "I'm a business, I sell on eBay" crowd do... and so you know, I have little respect for those "ebay" business "owners".. they're anything but. | |
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4 edits | Re: Sure if it was cheaper said by fiberguy:Absolutely SO! Where do you come off saying that it's your connection that you'll do with it as you please? ...do you enjoy the same pleasure with a rental home or apartment? no.. you don't. Many of the ISPs have always blocked ports on residential services as they're not built or designed for that kinda use. Believe it or not, it's THEIR connection and you pay for a limited right to use it.. THAT is a fact. If you want to run a mail server on your connection, well, then that's not considered "typical residential use"... so, buy a business class service that allows for that, like I do, and many others do. And, just because you have a "home based business" doesn't mean that residential service should apply to you as well... it's been long established that your connection, be it phone or internet, is a business tool then.. and for that, you should pay the business rate. How is your desire to work from home and call yourself a "business" exempt you from having to have the proper business tools? If you're going to be a residential user.. then be it.. you get the residential provisioned service with residential rates and terms... if you're going to call yourself a "business" and need tools that a business uses AND make money from that connection, they you need to be honest with yourself and do just that.. get business service and operate honestly. And I'm sorry.. i don't agree with "less nanny ISPs".. these rules have been around for years going back to the telcos.. it's THEIR networks.. in the end, THEY are responsible for them - not you. The issue is that the mindset of the consumer wants to change, which is fine, but you don't always get what you want. For the record.. my comcast business class HSI is $69 a month.. that's just 20 more a month than residential... if you're wanting to run a "business" then fork over the extra money for it and stop blaming the ISP that you want to run a "home based business" on a residential service. You're either a business or not.. which is it going to be? It doesn't matter if it's "light" or not.. if you're making income off the service, which you are, then you're a business.. it sounds like you're trying to justify yourself like those so-called "I'm a business, I sell on eBay" crowd do... and so you know, I have little respect for those "ebay" business "owners".. they're anything but. as a landlords son let me clear up the above BULLSHIT
in canada when you rent a rooom or home legally it becomes YOURS.
you can do anyhting you want PERIOD
smash the walls out. ( while you can do that remember the landlord would hen have a right to evict you and then he can sue, he cant sue you before he evicts you however as its YOUR PLACE STILL) THE landlord hasn't the right to throttle or cap the visitors you have, nor are they allowed to DPI ( SPY ) or DPI entrance ( its a criminal offense to break and enter after and a landlord must give a good excuse and written notice 24 hrs ahead of time to enter and that reason has to be one of the ones that can allow it aka he just cant write up 40 notices and hand them out every hour to the tenant )
ALSO tenants have a much more reasonable allowance of being able to fix up if they so choose ( ya know edit modify engineer ..waves to mpaa and thinks about DRM ) and also landlord is repsonsible for much of the more major things UNLIKE microsfot and hollywood who just keep DRMING US to death and harrassment.
also as you mentioned blocked ports no landlord is allowed to intercept YOUR MAIL or PHONE CALLS. NOR do they have a right to block any traffic to or from the residence.
as to email and a webserver as computers and the net are designed for it why should we allow the price gouging corporates to do all this and make such insane monies.
I would like to think my kids could have some IT skills and testing or doing form home would be a great way to learn.
YOU want everyone stupid we know that, not going to happen in the future.
SO when i rent a home or a room i do enjoy it how i want , landlords are also not entitled to turn off heat or electricity for 14hrs of the day and 95% reduction in power use during that time.
THEY DONT make you occupy 5% of the home during times when your off work.....
YOU get the idea now the differance.
ALLOW me to also toss copyright here into it.
IF actors and musicans want 50 year copyright why cant i that made almost every steel door and frame ( from a monopoly company ) not be entitled to a residual every time you open or use one of MY DOORS. ITS NOT YOUR DOOR AFTER ALL YOUR JUST RENTING IT FORM NOW ON, and we need to apply this to every job. THIS way we can unlimit copy/worker right and everyone will do nothing and we all can jsut sit there having everything freely
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edited for nanny less networks.
i wold argue that without me and everyone having CONTRIBUTED to THIS WORK OF ART called a NETWORK it would not exist there fore i DEMAND MY SHARE OF ITS SPOILS
i want a revenue cut, i want unfettered access and control of what i do with my share of said network and i dont believe that paying more then it costs anymore. LOOK AT NOVUS and SHAW.
it makes me sick that shaw would sue for defamation when all that NOVUS is saying is true. ITS PROOF that with TRUE competition we get lower prices and true net neutrality. While i would still argue novus could rise those caps a little they are on track.
200megabit people for a few apartment buildings and shaw is trying to stop progress? OUTRAGE SHOCK AND AWE. I hope the judge in that case flatly denies the shaw action and sanctions them for wasting TAX PAYERS MONEY | |
| | | | | | | | Re: Sure if it was cheaper i COMPLETELY fail to see how APARTMENT RENTING is relevant to a discussion on RESIDENTIAL INTERNET SERVICE. | |
| | | | | | | | | Re: Sure if it was cheaper Then you also COMPLETELY failed to read the post he replied to! | |
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1 edit | Re: Sure if it was cheaper said by jackknife:Then you also COMPLETELY failed to read the post he replied to! My post was perfectly fine and accurate.. just because you RENT something doesn't give you unabridged free and open access to do as you please with it.. like the guy who replied to me was saying with apartments.. he's simply demonstrating the basic facts that renters DO have... those facts he speaks of are those that are already outlined in the laws and leases. NO, they do not have the right to tear holes in walls.. they can be evicted for that.. don't care if it's canada either... landlords have protections granted to them. NO, they can't just have as many people move in as they want.. there are laws on how many people can live in a unit based on number of rooms.. the guy is full of it.
Just like my example was to draw to renting, you rent a connection to the internet.. it also comes with rules.. an earlier poster had mentioned that it was "my internet and I'll damn well do as I please with it".. which again, is false.. you'll do anything you WANT with it so long as you're not violating the rules.. I guess service agreements mean nothing.. and that's fine.. ignore them.. just don't come here crying foul and how rights were taken away.. those rights that you never had in the first place.
What's sad is that there is this whole generation of people that think things like license applications, service agreements, etc. are just obstacles and inconveniences that mean NOTHING however you have to pretend you accept them to get what you really want.. and that those agreements, etc. really mean nothing. | |
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| | | | | | | | said by cornelius785:i COMPLETELY fail to see how APARTMENT RENTING is relevant to a discussion on RESIDENTIAL INTERNET SERVICE. you didnt read me or the guy above did you i should start complaining about people that CANT READ after all half the people round here whine for FAR LESS | |
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14225-2105 | said by cornelius785:i COMPLETELY fail to see how APARTMENT RENTING is relevant to a discussion on RESIDENTIAL INTERNET SERVICE. Let's see...
•In each case, the lessee doesn't own a thing; the landlord owns the building, the telco/cableco/etc. owns the network (yes, you are leasing an Internet connection).
•Both want some sum of money per month for a service; in the case of a tenant, they want shelter, maintenance, not to have to pay property taxes directly; in the case of a residential Internet, to take bits from their CPE to anywhere else in the world.
•Despite previous comments, one cannot just make unauthorized alterations to the prem/network (can't just start knocking down walls or running your own cable/fiber/whatever) (if it is indeed true that the law in that jurisdiction confers ownership, that's the peak of insanity because that's the difference between ownership and not ownership: dictating, within building codes, what is done with the property).
•Tenant signs a lease, Internet user (electronically more or less) signs a terms of service/acceptable use policy.
The comparison is actually quite apt.
Now...that out of the way, a much better debate would be how the ISPs justify sucking additional money out of entities (businesses) for providing what is essentially the same service. What is this extra $20 or whatever per month used for? Not actually owning a network, I'd have to say, bupkis. But again, that's me not owning or operating a network; those that do may have something more to say on that.
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| | | | | | | |  bentand IngaPremium
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| Re: Sure if it was cheaper said by rchandra:...a much better debate would be how the ISPs justify sucking additional money out of entities (businesses) for providing what is essentially the same service. What is this extra $20 or whatever per month used for? Not actually owning a network, I'd have to say, bupkis. But again, that's me not owning or operating a network; those that do may have something more to say on that. SLA. Response time of technicians. With a residential connection, if it goes down, it gets fixed whenever they get around to it. With a business connection, you get a SLA that guarantees both up-time and technical service response time. Well worth the extra money if your income depends on your connection.
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| | | | | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
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kudos:3 | Okay.. I don't know Canadian laws.. but I'm talking about the US.. but I REALLY fail to see how even in Canada that a landlord can't evict a tenant if they're smashing the place up.. but if that's so, remind me never to buy and rent a home in a country with such absurd laws..
Here, in the US, which is what I'm talking about, yes, you live by the general house rules on the lease. They CAN and DO tell you many things such as how long you can have a "guest" staying with you with out notifying the landlord. They CAN tell you have many cars you can have parked in the property. They CAN tell you that you can't damage the interior and if that's found, they CAN evict you... so god bless america for having laws that I find appropriate.
And I'm sorry.. In canada, the home doesn't legally become "yours".. it becomes yours to USE... you don't own it. And down here, yes, they can do a 40 notices to every tenant asking for an inspection.. they are well with in their rights to do so.. they do this often in apartment complexes when they suspect the units are being damaged.
Blocked ports and mail and phone calls.. not a comparison.. sorry.. doesn't work. An ISP DOES have the right to block ports... they sold you a level of service that you AGREED to in advance.. even in Canada.. do you not have service agreements that outline the service you are paying for? Answer - yes. You must agree to it to use it.. you don't agree to it, be ready to find another provider... plain and simple. You're now asking a hypothetical question "why should they be allowed".. why? BECAUSE IT'S THEIR NETWORK! If they don't want a network filled with servers, then that's their rights.. its NOT yours... never has been. I think you need to study up on what the "net" is... the "net" isn't just your connection.. it's a connection of computers of various networks.. and guess what.. they ALL have rules.. if you want rules.. go look at business services in general.. they definitely have "rules".. more than so of the residential kind. What's so hard about following them? and you can quite honest, leave out the whole "gouging corporation" crap.. I hardly see how $20 more a month for a service level that fits your needs is gouging. You sound more like an entitlement person. It's a FACT.. servers are going to send more data over the lines than a typical residential user.. that's why they block them on residential lines.. quite simple really. Sorry if that doesn't fit your Utopian dream that doesn't exist, at this time.. maybe in the future, but not right now.
Now.. for these stupid kids as you speak of.. they don't need a WAN to learn how to use a server.. do you not work in corporate IT? Many servers are built and tested on corporate LANs first..
And some landloards in buildings DO control the heat.. I guess you've never heard of central boilers.. the LLs will set the max temp.. you can either tap into it, or shut it down for cooler temps..
Sorry, but you're full of holes..
I'll leave it at that.. becuase you did miss the point about "being able to do what you want".. you took it way too far.. I was just having fun tearing your example to shreds... to relax. BUt still.. you're way off in your examples.. sorry.. | |
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Washington, DC Reviews:
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| said by fiberguy:Where do you come off saying that it's your connection that you'll do with it as you please? ...do you enjoy the same pleasure with a rental home or apartment? no.. you don't. A better analogy would be roads. You can't do what you please on the road, and you have to buy a license... but you can drive any speed up to the speed limit, and drive whatever car you want without the builder's permissio, and transport whatever you like without giving up your privacy. You might have to pay tolls, but they can't turn you away... | |
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kudos:3 | Re: Sure if it was cheaper Funny.. cuz that was going to be my plan B example when someone tried to shoot down the rental example. | |
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| said by fiberguy:Believe it or not, it's THEIR connection and you pay for a limited right to use it.. THAT is a fact. If you want to run a mail server on your connection, well, then that's not considered "typical residential use"... so, buy a business class service that allows for that, like I do, and many others do. Um actually you're wrong... it's my connection.
At the very least a connection that belongs to the government that I elected to represent me.
Easements, Right of ways, natural monopolies, and in some cases taxpayer subsidies make it so that most network management is either frivolous due to a maladjusted sense of morality on behalf of the ISP or at worst used as stalling tactic to delay necessary upgrades.
No amount of ISP-apologism or network-management posturing is going to change that.
An ISP that applies frivolous network management either thinks its doing so for the "good of society" or for profit driven reasons none of which are my problem.
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| | | | | | | | | | | where do you make this up?
If I rent a comcast line and do anything involving making a profit at home, suddenly I have to pay extra? Please.
I signed up for a contest and won it. Technically that was using the internet connection I pay for. Suddenly I have to pay $20 extra a month for making a profit?
you might want to think about what you're implying as it's asinine and incorrect. | |
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1 edit | Re: Sure if it was cheaper said by dfxmatt:where do you make this up? If I rent a comcast line and do anything involving making a profit at home, suddenly I have to pay extra? Please. I signed up for a contest and won it. Technically that was using the internet connection I pay for. Suddenly I have to pay $20 extra a month for making a profit? you might want to think about what you're implying as it's asinine and incorrect. I'm not making it up.. it's how THE PROVIDERS set up the lines... Take cox.. they block port 80 for a reason.. THEY feel that inbound port 80 is used to run servers.. THEY see servers as a business tool.. THEY feel if you want to run a server THEY want you on a business class service. NOTHING has changed.
If YOU want the tools necessary to run a server, you need to buy the services they have provisioned for that.
Lets make this simple.. show me in the TOS agreement for residential service where it says you have the right to run servers... can you do that? it will make things SO much more easy here. Sure, YOU can do business on a residential line all day long.. many people do.. but when you want the tools and you want to run the load of a business that those tools require, then you tell the providers you're going to do what YOU want and see how far that gets you. But, if your ISP blocks port 80, 25, and 110 on a residential line and you want those open to run your business, guess what, you're going to have to most likely buy their business services to get them, and yes, Comcast, for example, charges more for that.. like I said, about $20. Good luck getting support from your ISP if you run into problems on a residential service.
I've been around long enough to know what this is.. nothing has changed in 20 years.. The TOS remains the same, the service restrictions haven't changed very much, and ONE thing for sure is that you still can't just do "anything I want with my line.. I own it"...
This whole debate runs down to one simple thing.. what does the TOS say...? Show me in the TOS that YOU own the line.. that it will support servers or that you're even allowed to run them.. and when you show me that, I will back down on my points.. I won't hold my breath becuase unlike many here, I actually read them. I follow the rules.. and until those rules change, I am not going to risk my connections and risk the possibility of loosing it so that I can be a wounded soul here complaining becuase my ISP booted me off for breaking the agreement.
And in close, I'm not incorrect... I just have a hard time listening to anyone that has the agreement available to them and willingly wants to sit here and deny what's in front of them.
Look up one term.. "Typical RESIDENTIAL use".. and then YOU rethink about what you're saying.
I'm talking about what is currently right and wrong.. you're talking about a battle you want to have in the hopes to change things.. there is a major difference. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Sure if it was cheaper said by vp71inet:Hear, hear ... why restrict if you pay the price? Sure, if you are paying the price, and in the agreement for you to pay it says there are no restrictions for the price you are paying, then obviously you would not be restricted. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: Sure if it was cheaper said by skuv :said by vp71inet:Hear, hear ... why restrict if you pay the price? Sure, if you are paying the price, and in the agreement for you to pay it says there are no restrictions for the price you are paying, then obviously you would not be restricted. Correct. | |
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| st7860
join:2004-05-13
San Francisco, CA | novus is a funny company with extremely strict traffic limits.
if you get TELUS ADSL with Telus TV, for about $60/mo for the basic 30 channel package and 6mbps internet, you can download and upload as much as you like with no hidden caps whatsoever. | |
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| | | that defamation suit is gonna cost shaw badly because what novus is saying is true
and when you sue someone with frivolous lawsuits there counter suits can HAMMER you to death
GO NOVUS | |
| | st7860
join:2004-05-13
San Francisco, CA | Novus will charge you and/or cut you off if you go over your limit, but with Telus ADSL and TV together in a package, you can download AND upload as much as you like. | |
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join:2002-06-09
Montreal
kudos:5 | Need more info About caps and actual setup, before making an informed opinion out of this statement.
280$ for 200mbit if unlimited is sort of nice, if you need the speed. | |
|  VanPremium
join:2009-07-08
New Orleans, LA | Considering I have 5mbs....I would pay for simply doubling my speed if possible | |
|  Z80APremium
join:2009-11-23 | Considering my T1 is $360/mo This would be a steal. | |
| | | | Re: Considering my T1 is $360/mo Just out of curiosity, are you using your T1 for 1.5mb/1.5mb data or the 24 voice lines? And if your using it for data are you stuck with the T1? Usually where T1 is offered ADSL is as well these days, which can far exceed any T1 line. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Considering my T1 is $360/mo Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of folks beyond reach of ADSL. DSL is NOT universally available. | |
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| Data. I'm at 19.2K CU ft, only 2-3dB margin so no DSL. Not trenched for CATV. The alternative is WISP but since Covad bought Nextweb they doubled the price and ran the WISP into the ground service/reliability wise.
The sad part is our industrial area is surrounded by TWC and VZ FiOS. So if I were 3 blocks over I could get 50/20Mb service for 1/3 the price.
Oh well. It was worth the trade for a low priced building lease in a coastal town (don't need to run A/C saving $3-$4K per month during the summer). | |
| | |  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | said by Default_Uzer:Usually where T1 is offered ADSL is as well these days, which can far exceed any T1 line. Upload on ADSL caps out at 896kbps, T1 is 1536kbps up
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| The reason T1 is expensive is the service agreement.
When you get dsl for residential or business. It could practically be down half the month... and you are still legally forced to pay the full price.
T1 on the otherhand... if it was down 1 day. You are likely going to be getting a very very nice tech support people on the phone mighty quick. Most likely ending with you getting at least a month's service free.
I remember the last 2 root dns ddos. The t carriers were practically unaffected; while dsl was barely functional; while cable wasnt even functioning. Frame relay if i remember correctly was noticing slowness. | |
| | axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC | Yes, why not offer it for *business* use also? Or market it as "home and business" | |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Two questions 1. What's the upload speed?
2. What's the cap?
Hopefully the cap is at least 500GB for paying that price per month. Of course Novus could set uploads at 10 Mbps and call it a day, charging more for a 200 Mbps symmetric (!!!!!!) SoHo tier, but hopefully they'll be cool and give a decent amount of upload speed on the $280 package.
The cool thing is that Shaw will have to upgrade their infrastructure *again* (8-channel bonding on DOCSIS 3) to compete with Novus on a speed basis. They might do that, or they might be forced to compete on caps (which Novus can raise as needed in all likelihood) or price.Sounds like a win to me for those few customers that can get Novus, or are beneficiaries of Shaw's upgrades.
Because nobody likes paying $150 per month for a mere 5 Mbps up and a 400GB cap. | |
|  sitrix
join:2002-04-15
Tacoma, WA | Not Bad! For typical people this would be something useless and highly over priced, but for IT individuals/companies it would be something to consider. Granted, more information is needed to fully determine how useful that package would be (peering, bandwidth provider, routing, IP's, caps, etc.), but on a pipe like that it might be cost effective to run a few servers on, enough to make it profitable. Nice to see select ISP's moving things forward, just makes me wonder what the install of this service would cost to customer and to ISP.  | |
|  jester121Premium
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
·voip.ms
| Absolutely rubbish 200 Mbps to what?
Unless Novus has a dedicated gigabit Tier 1 peering connection for every 5 customers, this is the typical oversubscription model and not worth a hill of beans.
It's a nice idea and great for geek bragging rights, but remember it's all shared bandwidth somewhere along the line, and that somewhere is 3 hops away at the edge of the Novus infrastructure. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | You *can* oversubscribe, and you can do it more as connection speeds go higher on the backbone and on the subscriber side. I'll bet Novus could fit their entire customer base onto a 10G link without a problem. | |
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·TELUS
·Shaw
| Shaw Warp I'm currently paying $90/month for Shaw's Warp, which is 25X2. I think that's the biggest rip ever. Especially considering Bell just released their 25X7 line for only $50/month. Hopefully Shaw will change their prices soon, cause it's become a huge joke. | |
| | BigVe
join:2005-07-15
Gulliver, MI Reviews:
·CenturyLink
| Re: Shaw Warp said by rustydusty:I'm currently paying $90/month for Shaw's Warp, which is 25X2. I think that's the biggest rip ever. Especially considering Bell just released their 25X7 line for only $50/month. Hopefully Shaw will change their prices soon, cause it's become a huge joke. Can see the price issue but 25/2 or 25/7 don't make much of a difference with a 100GB cap or so | |
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| Re: Shaw Warp said by BigVe:said by rustydusty:I'm currently paying $90/month for Shaw's Warp, which is 25X2. I think that's the biggest rip ever. Especially considering Bell just released their 25X7 line for only $50/month. Hopefully Shaw will change their prices soon, cause it's become a huge joke. Can see the price issue but 25/2 or 25/7 don't make much of a difference with a 100GB cap or so True, but I usually stay around the 100GB - 150GB mark anyways. I would just like to be able to upload my files to my dedicated server in Chicago a little faster. Sometimes I have to leave it overnight to upload. Even with my descent 2MB upload. | |
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| | | said by rustydusty:I'm currently paying $90/month for Shaw's Warp, which is 25X2. I think that's the biggest rip ever. Especially considering Bell just released their 25X7 line for only $50/month. Hopefully Shaw will change their prices soon, cause it's become a huge joke. yea with a stupid cap and your gonna pay HUGE OVERAGE CHARGES | |
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| | What's with the complaining I work from home and the best anyone local can come up with is a DSL line running 1.5/512 for $199.00 a month. | |
|  pfakBow before me for I am rootPremium
join:2002-12-29
Vancouver, BC
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·Shaw
2 edits | Novus is, flat out, Awesome! Novus offered to let me test their new 200Mbps SOHO service a a week or so ago, unfortunately I don't have 200Mbps NIC's in my firewall, so I had to pass up on the offer.
That being said, they are upgrading all their other tiers as well. The staff are Novus are amazing, esp. their junior network admin.
Got to say, if you can get Novus, you should get it!
To answer some questions:
- Service is symmetrical for all their SOHO tiers.
- There is a cap, but it's counted separate. I have the 60Mbps package (soon to be 100Mbps) and it offers 540GB cap. The cap is counted separate, so you get 540GB transfer quota download, and 540GB transfer quota uploaded.
- The overages are very reasonably priced compared to any other ISP in the province (and even cheaper than most colocation providers in Vancouver) at $0.50/GB.
- No cap on the amount of static IP addresses you can get, I have currently 11 static IP addresses with them.
Novus, flat out rocks. I've been with them since November of 2007 and have had a total of about 30 minutes of outages. Less than 15 seconds this year so far! | |
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·Cybersurf Intern..
| Moving to vancouver! Oh if it wasnt for the crap sports thing going on in vancouver; i would so move there. Novus just played the ultimate card. Providing a sync which they can pretty much guarentee; no UP TO bs. Also understand it almost certainly wont be utilized. It's also a sync that the cable co cant even pretend to offer.
On a side note. It's technically not true they are the fastest. In ontario there's a gigabit sync isp; too which you pay unbelievable amounts of money for... but it's the fastest.
Props to novus for not crumbing after the predatory pricing scheme. | |
| | | Perfect 100/100 So it's possible to achieve a perfect 100 up and 100 down at the same time with this? Awesome. | |
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 ·Verizon FiOS
| a history of ftth.. g"P/A"ons can easily handle 200mbits up & down, though you need gigabit equipment to utilize the speed. I still can't see why the industry hasn't gotten down to $1 per megabit.. that's about where 2010 should be so that we could get 50mbits for $50, instead it's about $2+ per megabit. | |
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1 edit | i have webserver at home also can do email but dont atm.
1megabit upload form home = 220GB data out.
typical websites are about 50K per page you will need a ton a traffic to justify more then 1megabit OR as i have an archive of knowledge.
P.S. i have my own spider search engine mister google and i am not ever gonna censor.....
so to use the 200megabit id need to have oh i dunno
Broadcom NetXtreme Gigabit Ethernet
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1 edit | Re: i have webserver at home Sorry, but I wouldn't attempt running an email server from my home. Trust me, I've tried it before. It's great for inbound email, but outbound email is going nowhere but a SPAMHAUS filter. If anything, I'd suggest you use a gmail account for outbound mail, specify the reply to field in your email client, and feel free to use your server for inbound mail. Either that, or if you have a static IP, petition SPAMHAUS to remove your IP from the filter. My IP is to subject to change for this.
»www.spamhaus.org/faq/answers.las···20Issues | |
| | | pfakBow before me for I am rootPremium
join:2002-12-29
Vancouver, BC Reviews:
·TELUS
·Shaw
| Re: i have webserver at home said by PapaMidnight:Sorry, but I wouldn't attempt running an email server from my home. Trust me, I've tried it before. It's great for inbound email, but outbound email is going nowhere but a SPAMHAUS filter. If anything, I'd suggest you use a gmail account for outbound mail, specify the reply to field in your email client, and feel free to use your server for inbound mail. Either that, or if you have a static IP, petition SPAMHAUS to remove your IP from the filter. My IP is to subject to change for this. » www.spamhaus.org/faq/answers.las···20Issues Been hosting an outgoing MX server on Novus for years, with zero issues. Guess it depends on how willing your ISP is to give you unpolluted IP space.  | |
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| | about FTTH I have FTTH home and my download is capped at 5mbps and my upload is 6mbps and im only paying 39.95 a month for it and I host a webserver at home.
I wish I can get more then 5mpbs of service. | |
| | | | Re: about FTTH said by treichhart:I have FTTH home and my download is capped at 5mbps and my upload is 6mbps and im only paying 39.95 a month for it and I host a webserver at home. I wish I can get more then 5mpbs of service. 2 megabits in 90's i did 8 million hits a month traffic on a 233 mhz with 256 meg ram
that cost me 2000 CAD/month
see what i mean its a rip off | |
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 joebarnhartPaxio evangelist
join:2005-12-15
Santa Clara, CA | It's great to see more FTTH! Novus is a litlte pricey compared to my ISP (Paxio) but it is encouraging to see FTTH take off in more locations.
Go Novus!!! | |
| | | | dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | said by joebarnhart:Novus is a litlte pricey compared to my ISP ( Paxio) but it is encouraging to see FTTH take off in more locations. Go Novus!!! But novus is probably available to more than just a few subdivisions like paxio is.
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| | | joebarnhartPaxio evangelist
join:2005-12-15
Santa Clara, CA Reviews:
·Comcast
| Re: It's great to see more FTTH! said by dvd536:But novus is probably available to more than just a few subdivisions like paxio is. Yeah, it definitely sucks if you're not in Paxio-land. But the fiber footprint is still expanding and bringing FTTH goodness to more happy surfers.
And its awesome for our northern friends to have Novus to give them similar service! Now if we could only get fiber to more places in the U.S. and Canada... | |
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| | japan japan has been doing this for years lol noobs! | |
|  Quake110Premium
join:2003-12-20
Ottawa, ON | Come to the east! Please Novus! We need you in the east! Bell and Rogers are killing us! | |
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| Re: Come to the east! said by Quake110:Please Novus! We need you in the east! Bell and Rogers are killing us! Pretty sure all of Canada does. Everyone in Alberta is getting gouged by either Telus or Shaw. | |
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MordhemLove it, Hate it.
join:2003-07-10
Baltimore, MD | Is that a good price? $1.40 per Meg? That price just does not seem right considering your paying $1.40 per Meg at that price! You better have allot of computers to take advantage of it. | |
| | | | Re: Is that a good price? $1.40 per Meg? A lot of computers? I could do it with one. | |
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| | Lucky you guys Seems most of you have it good, and still complain.
Im soon to be paying almost 2 grand a month for 30/30 fiber to my business.
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