ISPCON No More ISPs note the passing of industry mainstay Sources at a number of smaller ISPs tell us that Jupiter Media has made the decision to no longer host or fund ISPCON, a yearly convention for ISPs, WISPs, and other Internet service companies. While we've confirmed the move with sources at Jupiter, details are scarce at the moment -- though additional information should be forthcoming sometime this week. Rumblings also indicate that Jupiter will be shuttering their ISP Planet Internet property, though some writers will be shuffled around to other Jupiter websites like Internet.com. The death of ISPCON and ISP Planet serves as kind of a footnote to the slow but steady death of smaller, independent ISPs in the United States. "In the long term, carriers will survive, ISPs will not," the CEO of one ISP carrier tells me.
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 RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | Not surprising. As ISPs continue to become the dumb pipe they all dread, it's only natural for these peripheral organizations and services to drop along the way. These days, do we really need an ISP in the 1995 sense of the term? | |
|  |  DaSneaky1Done wall to block them allPremium,MVM
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| Re: Not surprising. Since many of the residential carriers are looking to be anything but "dumb pipes", they fight tooth and nail to force value down consumers' throats. This value comes as forced redirects, bandwidth caps, port blocks, ect...
ISP's in the 1995 sense helped to serve as an option to avoid national carriers.
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| | |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK
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| Re: Not surprising. I'd love an ISP like I had in 1995..... Shell access, local storage/hosting/ftp.... Fast and updated NNTP servers, static IP's for low $$$ etc etc.
Problem is they'd have to be broadband as well. And that's the catch. So we take what the big boys will give us in terms of lamed out ISP service in exchange for speed.
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Washington, DC | Re: Not surprising. said by KrK:I'd love an ISP like I had in 1995..... Shell access, local storage/hosting/ftp.... Fast and updated NNTP servers, static IP's for low $$$ etc etc. Shameless plug: Panix still offers just that....that's why they get my money. | |
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Tulsa, OK Reviews:
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| Re: Not surprising. Apparently, if you live in the places where you can get Covad DSL (ever shrinking around here) you can get Panix.... seems like a good ISP.
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Washington, DC | Re: Not surprising. I get my feed separately »www.panix.com/panix/single-user.html#shell It the fact that I can depend on everything working that makes it great.
And as important; if something does break, they admit it and fix it. When was the last time a telco/cable co. was honest with you re: outages? ["Have you rebooted Windows, sir?"] | |
| | | | | | | KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Not surprising. "Power Cycle the modem..."  | |
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| | | | | said by KrK:I'd love an ISP like I had in 1995..... Shell access, local storage/hosting/ftp.... Fast and updated NNTP servers, static IP's for low $$$ etc etc. Problem is they'd have to be broadband as well. And that's the catch. So we take what the big boys will give us in terms of lamed out ISP service in exchange for speed. The only difference is political.
ISPs were treated like local telco customers in the dial up era (i.e. they subscribed to local services).
There isn't much of an equivalent these days for DSL (or cable modem).
It's political...imo | |
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| | | said by RadioDoc:As ISPs continue to become the dumb pipe they all dread, it's only natural for these peripheral organizations and services to drop along the way. These days, do we really need an ISP in the 1995 sense of the term? Sure we do. Funny how the 1995 ISPs were not telcos and telcos themselves were thinking "internet?".
On the other hand, the smart money is following the cellular internet provider model, where the cellular companies define the experience at a cost per bit, which we all keep arguing is a fleecing in terms of comcast (cablecos) and att (telcos).
Eventually this net will be as useful as cable tv, but business models need to firm up. | |
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Suffern, NY | Re: Given closed access, this is inevitable. said by KrK:Seeing how everyone must be Broadband, only the few that can provide last mile high speed networks will survive. This means the incumbents, of course........and MAYBE a WISP here and there. The rest of the ISP's, cut off from access to customers, are doomed. I ask why the last mile should not be independent from the ISP who is using it. I think that there should be separation of the two and a ban on the ISP from owning the last mile connection. IOW: There should be Connectivity Providers and Hosting Providers and the ISPs are the latter and not the former or both. | |
| | | KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK Reviews:
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| Re: Given closed access, this is inevitable. You're preaching to the choir.... Some people around here think the idea of an open last mile with access and competition somehow = communism.
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| | | | | | Re: Given closed access, this is inevitable.
If there was an open access pipe, or ATT/Telcos just concentrated on giving wholesale open access to smaller isps/clecs, there would be more than enough business for everybody. I remember the early/mid 90's like this, and there were plenty of businesses, products, and choices.
Now it's either comcast or att/telco, maybe a wisp or covad if you're lucky. There is no hope of competing in this "open market" when the market (last mile) is owned and (closed) for competitors. | |
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Bernie, MO | ISP Lists going too ---
It has been a pleasure for my brother and I to get to know everyone on these lists over the years that we have operated them. I am sad to announce that as part of the cost cutting measures to be implemented by WebMediaBrands, the ISP-Lists will shut down at the end of March.
I -- and many of you -- have learned a great deal from these lists and met people we would never have gotten to know. I look forward to remaining in contact you and wish all of you and your ISP associations all the best.
Sincerely,
Alex Goldman
Managing Editor, ISP-Planet
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| | | But I never won a hummer!! I remember Boardwatch and ISPCON during the boom. I remember selling out the convention center in orlando. I remember drinks on top of the world in San Fran. I remember some poor CA civil servant winning the car in San Fran - and he didnt know how to drive. I remember giving about a thousand talks at these conferences. I still have conference give-aways littered all over my office. I remember going up and down escalators, with strange people asking me if I was an ISP and for sale.
I also remember going to an ISPCON in baltimore that was empty - no ISPs - no vendors - just lots of empty floor space.
For what it is worth, the discussion list cybertelecom-l continues - a lot of ISPs and academics and govt officials hang out there and discuss policy type things. | |
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Given closed access, this is inevitable.