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ISPs Continue To Cry When People Use Their Product
British Telecom can't bother to upgrade capacity, but sure can whine...
by Karl Bode Thursday 11-Jun-2009 tags: competition · business · bandwidth · Op/Ed · world · net-neutrality
Around the world, the planet's largest ISPs have been whining. They've been whining about how the dropping cost of bandwidth & hardware, their significant profit margins, and abundant new revenue streams (advertising via webmail, BVAS, selling your clickstream data, DNS Redirection revenue, charging to get around spam filters, targeted behavioral advertising) make it hard for a poor, government-pampered, immensely profitable conglomerate to build out enough capacity to handle user demand.

This logic was what started the entire "network neutrality" debate. In 2005, then-AT&T CEO Ed Whitacre (who's now headed to GM) told Business Week that because people use Google, Google should help pay for AT&T's network deployment (or as Ed put it, Google ain't usin' his pipes for free). Perhaps "Big Ed" didn't know Google already pays for bandwidth and owns their own infrastructure. More likely he did, and the goal of all this whining was to please investors by offloading necessary video-driven upgrade expenses on to others.

We can't give the content providers a completely free ride and continue to give customers the service they want at the price they expect.
-British Telecom
In the UK, ISPs have been complaining for years that the BBC's new media player actually uses bandwidth, so they've tried to argue the BBC should subsidize their network expansion. Except for British Telecom, they've done the absolute minimum when it comes to preparing for the Internet video future and network upgrades, aided by weak-kneed regulators every step of the way.

Last week the carrier was busted for taking connections advertised as 8Mbps, and throttling them back to 896kbps when people use their connections most. This week they're back targeting the BBC's iPlayer and the mythical "free ride":

"We can't give the content providers a completely free ride and continue to give customers the [service] they want at the price they expect," said John Petter, managing director of BT Retail's consumer business. Broadband providers such as Tiscali have been complaining for two years about the burden placed on their network by bandwidth-hungry video services. As well as BT, other internet service providers are exploring ways to make money from their networks beyond charging consumers for access.

If British Telecom was really worried about capacity, they could upgrade to fiber to the home, instead of fiber to the press release. Instead, British Telecom's takes a page out of the Ed Whitacre playbook and whines when people actually use their product. Of course, like Ed, British Telecom spoiled monopoly executives are jealous of content company ad revenue. BT thinks that if they cry long and loud enough, mommy (government) will let them force content companies to pay for neglected network upgrades -- making daddy (investors) happy.

But the truth is, in this business, it's often clear that what makes investors happy often isn't good for either the company, or the consumer. For instance, investors whined incessantly about Verizon's decision to spend $23 billion on deploying fiber to the home -- some going so far as to declare the company doomed. Several years later, with Verizon in the competitive catbird seat and poised to see huge returns, investors are finally coming around. Perhaps instead, Verizon should have incessantly whined about content providers getting "free rides"?

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Shamayim
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Love the picture

Lol, Karl

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I concur, it is a fitting visual to what amounts to childish bawling.

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That picture makes me want to schedule a vasectomy...

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I wonder where they got the photo and what search terms were used and how many others they have on the hard drive.....

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I didn't get that vibe from it.

It reminded me of my niece having a hissy fit over getting in the tub when her mother told her to.....
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Awesome picture LOL!!!
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WTF

Why do ISP's claim the content providers are part of the problem. They pay for bandwidth they send out?

kontos
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Re: WTF

said by buzz_4_20:

Why do ISP's claim the content providers are part of the problem. They pay for bandwidth they send out?
Content providers have the advantage of a small (physical distance) network. The build a data center (or a few) and they make sure they locate it where they have cheap and easy access to the 'Internet backbone.'

The ISPs that cater to the eyeballs have a much bigger area with a lot more nodes to service. Think about how many hops that BT has to deal with...

BT has the DSL connection form you modem to the DSLAM, then maybe a DS-3 from the DSLAM to the aggregation POP, then an OC-3 from the POP to the backbone POP, and then an OC-12 from the backbone POP to the IXP.

The BBC rents space in the IXP building, and makes a few GigE interconnects inside the building, and they're done.

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Re: WTF

then perhaps they should get out of the isp business and into the datacenter business... You know, its only several hundred million dollars to get a good one up and running,

Or they can actually make an effort to do good in the content business, and "give up" the "oh so hard" task of making sure the people have a way to view the content. That way later on when we have a few ISP's that actually do a fantastic job delivering connections to homes, they can charge them this fee they are trying to get content providers to pay,

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Re: WTF

They don't spend anywhere near that much money on a single POP. They lease space in that type of facility you are talking about but do not occupy the entire datacenter.

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Re: WTF

i know a single content provider doesn't occupy a whole data center. They are lucky if they even need a 1/2 or full racks worth space and a gbe drop to a switch to get the job done for the big single location guys.

I'm just poking fun at the group, aka incumbents
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said by kontos:

The ISPs that cater to the eyeballs have a much bigger area with a lot more nodes to service. Think about how many hops that BT has to deal with...

BT has the DSL connection form you modem to the DSLAM, then maybe a DS-3 from the DSLAM to the aggregation POP, then an OC-3 from the POP to the backbone POP, and then an OC-12 from the backbone POP to the IXP.

The BBC rents space in the IXP building, and makes a few GigE interconnects inside the building, and they're done.
All true, but the ISP's subscribers are paying for the ISP to build a network that can handle the data from the content providers. They're in the business of providing Internet access. If they can't do that, then they shouldn't be offering the service.

BT and AT&T's position would be like an airline asking hotels to pay for them (the airline) to transport passengers on the rationale that the hotels make money from these passengers staying there, yet they bear no cost in getting them to their front doors. So why should these hotels get a free ride when it's the airlines that are incurring the expense of delivering all these people?

If the ISPs want to charge the content providers for delivering their data, then what am I paying the ISP to do? It'd be like the USPS, UPS, or FedEx trying to charge both the sender and recipient of a package for its delivery.

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Re: WTF

said by ISurfTooMuch:

BT and AT&T's position would be like an airline asking hotels to pay for them (the airline) to transport passengers on the rationale that the hotels make money from these passengers staying there, yet they bear no cost in getting them to their front doors. So why should these hotels get a free ride when it's the airlines that are incurring the expense of delivering all these people?
'Course that metaphor discounts the fact that airline customers basically pay for metered service. You have to buy a ticket for each flight, and the longer the flight, the more expensive the ticket. You've seen what happens here when an ISP wants to charge more to people that use more?

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Re: WTF

said by kontos:

Course that metaphor discounts the fact that airline customers basically pay for metered service. You have to buy a ticket for each flight, and the longer the flight, the more expensive the ticket.

You've seen what happens here when an ISP wants to charge more to people that use more?

But the long-haul flight (more data) generally costs the carrier less per mile (per bit).

A fiber (and routers) carrying 40% of its capacity cost the carrier more per bit than the same fiber/router carrying 70% capacity.

kontos
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Re: WTF

A long-haul flight at 40% capacity gets canceled and people (packets) get delayed.
You've seen what happens here when and ISP advertises one speed, but delivers something lower?
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Not to mention the fact that much of the cost is fixed cost related to equipment deployment. Once the fiber is laid and the routers installed, much of the cost is covered. Sure, there's maintenance and upgrades, but you don't have a big expense moving each packet around.

kontos
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Re: WTF

What happens when the capacity of the installed routers and fiber is 'used up'?
Those upgrades you mention don't come for free, and with fixed pricing/unlimited usage, there's no additional revenue to pay for the upgrades.
ISurfTooMuch

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Re: WTF

Then raise rates. I started out with 1.5/256 DSL for $39.99 in 2000, which went to $49.99 in 2001. Now I pay around $45 for 6/768. And I seriously doubt that any of this was or is sold at a loss. If they've had to do upgrades to give me more speed, then where is that cost reflected? My guess is that the drop in wholesale bandwidth and equipment prices have had a lot to do with it.

And, as far as upgrades go, remember that hardware is purchased with a set depreciation schedule. No one expects it to last forever, and the replacement cost is taken into consideration.

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They update the repeaters and swap out a few cards...depending out future proofed they made the fiber plant initially...and they really only have to update the long haul not the short so their costs are still fairly low comparatively.

Still, these are capital costs that they get to deduct each year under most tax codes so...they pay out that cash year one and deduct it the next 2-7 or so....my sympathy level for maintaining your product is fairly low...

kontos
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Re: WTF

said by danclan:

Still, these are capital costs that they get to deduct each year under most tax codes so...they pay out that cash year one and deduct it the next 2-7 or so....my sympathy level for maintaining your product is fairly low...
You do realize that a tax deduction doesn't re-capture all of the money that you put in to the upgrade, right.

danclan

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Re: WTF

huh? of course a tax deduction doesnt = capital capture/recoup but it does allow them to reduce their tax burden and keep the cash they would otherwise have to pay with no amoritization
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Yeah there is. Everyone pays for a monthly DSL/FTTH line. The companies aren't giving 'em out for free!
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"What happens when the capacity of the installed routers and fiber is 'used up'?"

I'd expect the ISP that oversold their capacity to increase it on their dime. It's like asking what a landlord is supposed to do when he's rented all the apartments in his building: he builds another or raises the rent and replaces the tenants that don't want to pay the new rate with those that do.

kontos
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Re: WTF

The landlord gets new tenants to put in the new apartments. The new tenants pay rent increasing his revenue. It's not like the landlord builds a new building, and then gives all of his existing tenants a room in it without increasing their rent.
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'Course you also fail to mention that there is very high cost in every flight that justifies the cost per ticket.

If flights cost less than a penny per person to run, then I would be willing to bet we would have monthly unlimited (by unlimited I mean 50 flights) per month subscription base service. Because they would make more from that than actually charging you each time you use it. Just as the current telco's do with text messaging. It is ridiculously priced per text because they want the subscription service and that price makes logical people say..."well it would be cheaper to subscribe". They don't care how many you send, it cost them virtually nothing.

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Re: WTF

said by Skippy25:

If flights cost less than a penny per person to run, then I would be willing to bet we would have monthly unlimited (by unlimited I mean 50 flights) per month subscription base service.
You've seen what happens here when and ISP says 'unlimited' but only allows you to use 50 GB (or 5, or 250)?
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Re: WTF

said by kontos See ProfileYou've seen what happens here when and ISP says 'unlimited' but only allows you to use 50 GB (or 5, or 250)?
Indeed. And ISPs have been advertising unlimited access for over a decade now. If they didn't mean it, then why did they say it? And if ISPs want to go metered or impose caps, then where is it in their advertising? At least an airline is upfront about how much a flight from Point A to Point B is going to cost. No one books a ticket thinking they can pay the lowest fare and take a transatlantic trip. Yet I challenge you to find an ad for Internet access from any of the major providers that clearly tells you that, for a certain price, you get a capped plan with a certain amount of data.

If you can't keep the promises you make, then don't make them. That's called false advertising.

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Re: WTF

That's called a T-1. It's about $400/month for 1.5 Mbps symmetrical. Comes with a SLA, though.
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Re: WTF

I'm aware of those. I used to sell them, and they could go for up to $1,500/mo. in 2000. Notice how that bandwidth has gotten significantly cheaper since then?

My point in the previous post was that many ISPs have been touting their plans as unlimited for over a decade. And my other point is that, if they want to impose caps and/or metered access, then they have an obligation to state that in the large print of their advertisements, not buried at the bottom of the page in print that requires an electron microscope to read. To state one thing while placing an asterisk there that points to a line that essentially guts your first statement is sneaky at best and false advertising at worst.

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said by ISurfTooMuch:

Indeed. And ISPs have been advertising unlimited access for over a decade now. If they didn't mean it, then why did they say it?
For the same reason that "All you can eat" buffets advertise that way -- there are physical limits to what humans can consume. The problem comes in with content hording well in excess of what can be consumed in real time.

said by ISurfTooMuch:

And if ISPs want to go metered or impose caps, then where is it in their advertising?
Where are the fitness infomercials that tell you that you really won't have 6-pack abs in 3 weeks? Or the commercials that say you really can't grow/shrink/reshape any specific body part just by purchasing a bottle of pills?

I'm not saying this is the way it should be, but come on -- everybody knows that there are large leaps of logic in advertising. To act shocked about it now is laughable; next you're going to tell me that you didn't know that politicians lie?

said by ISurfTooMuch:

Yet I challenge you to find an ad for Internet access from any of the major providers that clearly tells you that, for a certain price, you get a capped plan with a certain amount of data.

If you can't keep the promises you make, then don't make them. That's called false advertising.
You'll notice most broadband companies haven't had "unlimited" in their descriptions for a long time. They simply omit details about how much you can use. It's deceptive, to be sure, but unfortunately it's not false advertising so you can't make them stop.

I really do wish the industry would clean up and start accurately representing their product. The problem with this, of course, is people here aren't going to be happy with those results. The folks here don't want the fitness commercials to advertise that you really can't get 6-pack abs in 3 weeks, however, they want the companies to somehow develop a product that will really give you the 6-pack abs.
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And texts are also expensive because people are willing to pay that price. Ditto for designer clothes and accessories. They're made in China, just like the stuff on the shelves at Wal-Mart, but, once that label is attached, people want them and are willing to pay for them. If a counterfeiter can make a bag that looks like a $500 Prada and sell it for $35 on the streets of New York, then how much profit is Prada making off their real bag? Quite a lot, I'd wager. Even if the real thing is a better bag, I doubt the production costs are orders of magnitude higher than the counterfeit.

It's all about what price people are willing to pay. The cost of production has little to do with it.
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You made a big mistake in the first quote. "They're in the business of providing Internet access." They are actually in the business of making money.
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I know the ISP has a higher per bit cost than a datacenter that's not the issue. But they are making it sound like it's YouTube's fault for being something that customers are interested in.

Some upgrades would drop thier per bit cost and improve service to customers.
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said by kontos:

The ISPs that cater to the eyeballs have a much bigger area with a lot more nodes to service. Think about how many hops that BT has to deal with...
Well then.... Why don't these ISP's stop competing with local municipalities for last mile delivery, and just offer their content delivery into a muni owned system? Oh, or is that just bullshit, and they are soaking their customers many times over for the same aging copper based system??

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Then BT should charge more to consumer...oh wait, then they wouldn't buy the connections. Scratch that.

BT is in the industry of providing last mile connectivity. If they don't like the profit margins they're seeing, they need to up their prices or go into another industry. Really.

Hey guys your paying customers want 100% of the internet delivered to them at a reasonable, unthrottled speed. They will pay for that. Your customers aren't the content providers. They are what make your customers (end users) want to use the internet.

If there was a "transport to pay for Gogle" fee added onto my internet bill, I'd switch providers. Or if Google had to charge money to pay for ISP extortion taxes, I'd switch providers.

More likely, Google could just say "Okay, your ISP is now no longer allowed to use our services" and see how long that lasts on BT's end. Granted, this is Cogent's style, not Google's, but I'd like to see that sort of brinkmanship happen. Should knock some sense into the ISPs.
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Because they(the ISPs) could have their own product and it mat not be making as much money as it could. And the CT providers are making money and the ISPs are jealous. They are cheap and do not want to pay to upgrade their own network, they want the content providers and or the people to do so and still be kept under a cap.

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And of course without content, why would anyone subscribe to an ISP?
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Re: WTF

P2P!!!1!

Oh wait...
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Anyone who wants to read a literate account of how ISPs costs aren't dropping fast enough to handle the increasing bandwidth tsunami without increasing prices, should see this:

»venturebeat.com/2009/06/10/how-v···-ground/
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Re: Costs not dropping faster than use is rising - crunch is com

said by Romney2012:

Anyone who wants to read a literate account of how ISPs costs aren't dropping fast enough to handle the increasing bandwidth tsunami without increasing prices, should see this:

»venturebeat.com/2009/06/10/how-v···-ground/
Except for it does not, it refers to the cost pushing bandwidth through T-1 based antiquated wireless hubs.

Not even close to relevant for this story.

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Re: Costs not dropping faster than use is rising - crunch is com

You have become a victim of TK Redirection!
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LOL

...Fiber to the press release

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Investors?

Do these investors not use the very service they gripe about? For example: why would an AT&T investor with an iphone complain about poor net speeds, and out of the other side of their mouth complain about spending money to build out the network? Idiots.
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F BT and all the whining telecoms

These idiots talk about the "free ride" video services get.

DUMBASSES, SUBSCRIBERS ALREADY PAY FOR THE DELIVERY.

And on the other end Google, Netflix and others pay zillions for their pipes.

These greedy ISPs just want to charge TWICE to deliver the same content. They can go S in their hats.
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ISP's Weird Logic

Let me get this straight:

1. People use ISPs to get the content they want.
2. Without content there would be no need for ISPs.
3. Content providers already pay for the pipes to connect content sources to the internet.
4. Consumers already pay ISPs to access the content that is only available because content providers already paid for the pipes to make them available.

Conclusion: ISPs want to have the cake and eat it too.

TIP to ISPs: Want extra revenue? Find something people want added to their service, charge a reasonable price for it, and see if people will buy it. Rinse and repeat.

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Re: ISP's Weird Logic

Yeah and ISPs do come up with their own content but it always sucks. So to "compete" they will just traffic shape competitors into the ground while leaving their own crappy content alone.
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"Conclusion: ISPs want to have the cake and eat it too."
No, they already have their cake and are eating it, now they want the other guy cake too.

What ever happened to the cake being a lie......

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ISPs should shut the F up

They get to make BILLIONS on the backs of content providers like Google.

If not for content NO ONE would even bother subscribing to an ISP. Look at the Pay TV model. Cable operators have to pay big bucks for content to pass on to subscribers. And now these same telecoms think that the Internet is somehow different and that they should be able to charge twice for content delivery.

It is this same bit of stupidity that has Time Warner claiming that we need more 'education' about consumption based pricing.
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Re: ISPs should shut the F up

It's not stupidity; it's greed. The ISPs are just high-tech delivery boys. What they want to do is to see if they can charge you for them to go get the content and also charge the content provider to bring the content to you. And they think they can get away with it because they're the only game in town. You want the content? You're going to have to pay for it. The content providers want to reach you? They're going to have to pay for that, too.

Kinda sounds like a shakedown, doesn't it?
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Re: ISPs should shut the F up

Oops. Posted in wrong place.
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BBC

Given the Way British media works, isn't complaining about the BBC just asking for trouble?

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said by pat_lc2000:

Given the Way British media works, isn't complaining about the BBC just asking for trouble?
I'm not sure what you mean by that, is it to do with the fact that the state "owns" the BBC?

If so, to suggest that complaining about the state apparatus (the BBC is, btw, quite firmly independent of the government, operationally and financially) is really rather stupid.

Strangely enough, the BBC and other broadcasters are quite free to criticise the government and its operations, too.
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Re: BBC

I meant the fact that people that want to watch tv in the UK pay a license fee for it.

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Great minds, huh?

To borrow part of a line....

'the problem isn't that they don't get it, the problem is they can't sell it'

The bottom line is that content providers aren't "using" the ISPs pipes. The content provider buys bandwidth in huge amounts from a backbone provider. And in some shared datacenters, they're just buying from the datacenter itself and not the backbone provider.

If customers don't visit the site, the content provider isn't sending squat over the ISPs "pipes." No matter how many times they cry about it, doesn't make it true. Never will.

Being unwilling to upgrade your network then complaining about your self made capacity crunch isn't content provider's fault, nor your customers fault.

Again, there is no inherent "bandwidth crisis" because it isn't a natural resource. This is all man made. WE decide how much to build, WE decide how much to light up.
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Time for a regulated utility


The telco/cableco model is dead.

It's time for a single regulated FTTH utility to provide the physical infrastructure for the 'last mile'. The utility acts in the same way that the gas company does - one pipe into your house delivering gas that comes from Alberta, Gulf of Mexico, or via LNG tanker. The gas company charges you for the pipe connection, and you can buy the actual gas from whom you want. You don't find two pipelines from different companies under the street coming into your house. Let the regulated utility earn 7-10% return on assets and operate as a not-for-profit - just reinvesting the money in new plant/equipment.

If the 'phone' company wants to provide phone service, they can 'rent' capacity on the FTTH, ditto for TV.

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Just more anti-corporate ranting

Looks like an especially heavy day for the BBR front page and its usual anti-corporate ranting. The pic in this story should be be the new logo for the front page:

New BBR Front Page logo

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Re: Just more anti-corporate ranting

Not really, speaking as someone who has dealt with BT in several capacities the image does suit them far better and they deserve everything that Karl has written.

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said by Romney2012:

Looks like an especially heavy day for the BBR front page and its usual anti-corporate ranting. The pic in this story should be be the new logo for the front page:
[att=1]
Cause he's calling out the inept, brain-dead, stock driven suits, who have no business, or idea how to run an ISP in 2009?

If that's ranting, then i'm happy ranting reader.
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Parachute, CO

Re: Just more anti-corporate ranting

Somewhere along the way, these types of corporate entities have lost the roots of "make a product that the consumer will buy that is sustainable", and made it's way into "we're here for money only". I would wager BT is on the latter end of that spectrum and is whining about that divide precisely. They are self-serving and when they fail to encompass both the corporate + consumer experience and impact, they resort to that old cry-baby mentality. LiamJunket is correct in saying there is quite a bit of opinion integrated in here, but I stand by the position that said opinion is not unfounded with the behavior exhibited by these corporations. There are corporations that are good, and do good things and make a profit. There are also bad ones too. In the IT, networking and broadband fields though, it isn't entirely a bad thing to care about the consumer and work to find solutions to benefit each side (Innovation???). In the end, aren't we all consumers in some regard?
sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
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Ranting implies a complete lack of evidence or coherent logic. Apparently you're wearing a blindfold if you think these are rants.

digitalfreak
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join:2005-12-09
Blacklick, OH
Shrink it down a bit and it would be a perfect avatar for you!
Kiryu

join:2005-07-21
United Kingd

BT Are Looneys

I'm currently using BE* (an ISP running off O2 here in the UK) and I have to say, I download episodes like mad on BBC iPlayer and a whole lot of other download marathons (ie: game demos etc )

Never once has my ISP ever throttled my bandwidth or ever whined about my usage.

Running on 20Mbps down 2Mbps Up, I'm sure you can imagine just how much I use it.
SuperWISP

join:2007-04-17
Laramie, WY

Yet another content-free attack on ISPs.

Can DSL Reports not find a reporter who can report actual news rather than simply posting substance-free rants?

digitalfreak
Premium
join:2005-12-09
Blacklick, OH

Re: Yet another content-free attack on ISPs.

If you don't like it, no-one would miss you if you left.

doc69
Premium
join:2004-08-01
Reviews:
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Poster Child

New poster child for all ISP's. We want more money for less product! And we want it now!
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Brazbit
Premium
join:2003-10-22
Port Orchard, WA

10% of advertised speed? I wish...

quote:
Last week the carrier was busted for taking connections advertised as 8Mbps, and throttling them back to 896kbps when people use their connections most.
Oh if only we could get that from Wave Broadband. Paying for a 6Mb connection and getting 128K sucks.
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