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They want to have their cake and eat it too...
08:52AM Friday Oct 30 2009 by Karl Bode
tags: prices · business · alternatives · bandwidth · consumers
Yesterday we highlighted how a common flaw in the argument for metered billing is that it confuses pure per-byte billing with what carriers actually want to implement -- which is usually value-limited tiers with high base prices, low caps and high overage limits. The push really is all about already profitable companies looking to raise prices ahead of the Internet video explosion, something that's often disingenuously dressed up as altruism or fairness. Thankfully, we're starting to see some of our colleagues in the sector notice this, like Stacey Higginbotham over at GigaOM, who correctly observes that "when ISPs talk about meters they're talking about different service tiers that don't reflect actual usage, but herd customers into set plans where most will be paying a monthly fee for more than they use." It's a simple but important distinction.

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Harddrive
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Complete Per Byte Billing.

i want to see a low 'base price' for having the service available. then be charged if i use any on a per-gig basis. make it just like my electric or water bill. the less i use, the less i pay.

but we know that will never happen.
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Re: Complete Per Byte Billing.

said by Harddrive See Profile :

i want to see a low 'base price' for having the service available. then be charged if i use any on a per-gig basis. make it just like my electric or water bill. the less i use, the less i pay.

but we know that will never happen.
It won't happen because most users are too lazy to keep an eye on their usage(even if given meters to check it) and would rather overpay for a known set amount each month than pay for exactly what they use. Hence they will get usage tiers instead of straight per-byte billing. Consumers get what they deserve because they would rather pay more for convenience than expend some effort to cut their costs.
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Re: Complete Per Byte Billing.

Those lazy users would pay more attention when they get inflated bills just like they do now if the cost of their electric bill becomes too painful. Those formerly too lazy to turn off unneeded lights and appliances will suddenly get off their ass to save a few bucks. The models used with gas, water, and electric would work for broadband but the ISPs don't want that.

The real reason it won't happen is because it would potentially take a chunk out of ISP profits or reduce their massive profit increases from implementing a fair model. ISPs and their ilke will try to spin it any way they can to avoid that realization among the masses.
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Re: Complete Per Byte Billing.

If it were pure per-byte billing, then if I unplug my modem for a month, I should see a bill for $0 just like if I were to disconnect my electricity breaker box for a month. But this will never happen because ISPs know that the cost is in providing the connection, not in the amount of data that flows over it.

Another issue is that people don't think about how much electricity they've already used this month when deciding to toast some bread, because the incremental cost of usage is insignificant. The mere fact that users would have to watch a meter means that the overage charges are just complete punitive money grab. The incremental per-byte charge is NOT based on any actual cost.
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Re: Complete Per Byte Billing.

said by Michael C See Profile :

If it were pure per-byte billing, then if I unplug my modem for a month, I should see a bill for $0 just like if I were to disconnect my electricity breaker box for a month.
Unless you cancel your service, there are still service fees and connection charges.

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Re: Complete Per Byte Billing.

said by openbox9 See Profile :

said by Michael C See Profile :

If it were pure per-byte billing, then if I unplug my modem for a month, I should see a bill for $0 just like if I were to disconnect my electricity breaker box for a month.
Unless you cancel your service, there are still service fees and connection charges.
Which by the published prices for bundles is about $5/month (The 'discount' you get for having two services not one). Note: I am talking about bundles where you pay full price for the services not those where you get a lower price for 6-12 months before going to full price.
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Re: Complete Per Byte Billing.

Huh? Discounts aren't the service fees and connections charges sufficient to keep your service turned on.

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Re: Complete Per Byte Billing.

said by openbox9 See Profile :

Huh? Discounts aren't the service fees and connections charges sufficient to keep your service turned on.
If I Pay $X for Cable, $Y for Internet, and get a $5 discount from $X+$Y if I have both, I fail to see why I should not regard the $5 as their stated cost for providing me with connectivity and as the bookkeeping cost of my account. Under classic accounting methods it is the incremental cost for the 2nd service. Looking it another way $5 is the FIXED cost of providing the service with $X-5 and $Y-5 as the cost Cable/Internet service (IOW: You only get hit with the $5 Account Maintenance and Connectivity Charge once no matter how many services you have).

If as you claim "Discounts aren't the service fees and connections charges sufficient to keep your service turned on" why am I being double billed for having more than one service by not getting the full reduction since there is no extra cost for supporting the second service (the connection is already there and paid for with the first service and the second gets a free ride)?

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Re: Complete Per Byte Billing.

That's a pretty good example RARPSL.

For the dumbass ISP CEOs out there, to simplify:

It costs X to run cable to someone's house and keep it functional (like the gas and electric companies currently do). There's your "base" cost. You want per-byte billing, add it to X while recognizing X is NOT equal to whatever bullshit base you think your service is worth (which is something stupid like X+$30) because it benefits your salary and your shareholders.

I don't see that happening unfortunately.

ISPs are ready to start at X+Y (where Y=whatever ISPs think they can screw you out of)
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What's the initial $W cost before you start throwing in $X and $Y services? I have no desire to pay for TV, so what's the base cost to string and maintain coax to my residence and the support mechanism that goes along with it for me to receive HSI? My guess is that it's more than $5/mth.

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Re: Complete Per Byte Billing.

per Verizon, when they were replacing their copper plant with fiber, it costs the company $90'ish a year to keep a copper drop going to a residence.
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Re: Complete Per Byte Billing.

Is that purely maintenance of the loop or does that include the requisite customer service that goes along with establishing a service?

Harddrive
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Re: Complete Per Byte Billing.

'everything' involved in maintenance of the line.
openbox9

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Re: Complete Per Byte Billing.

Ok, so base price of actually providing a VZ service to a residence is somewhere north of $8/mth...without factoring in VZ's profit.

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said by openbox9 See Profile :

What's the initial $W cost before you start throwing in $X and $Y services? I have no desire to pay for TV, so what's the base cost to string and maintain coax to my residence and the support mechanism that goes along with it for me to receive HSI? My guess is that it's more than $5/mth.
Here are some theoretical figures:

TV $50
Internet $45
TV + Internet $90 (ie: A $5 discount for having both)

Based on these figures:
$W is $5 (cost of the connection plus account maintenance). This is the charge for the ABILITY to get the services.
TV provisioning $45 ($X) - This includes the cost of the ability to SUPPLY the TV feed and the feed itself but not cost of the connection (which is paid as $W).
Internet provisioning and bandwidth ($Y) is $40. Again, this is the cost to USE the Internet Connection that was supplied by the $W charge.

This means that each single service charge includes not only the service but the connection to provide and bill for the service (ie: $W). Once you have ONE Service each additional service only needs the incremental charge (ie: The single service charge minus the $W provisioning charge). Any claim that the provisioning and accounting cost is more than $5 ($W) means that the company is double-dipping/double-charging for the connection since the "You Already have paid for the connection" discount is only $5.

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Exactly! That is why telecom came off the per-minute billing into a fixed monthly. Better to get people to overpay for usage as if it is free than to let them lower their usage to get the cost down.
Thus, the $3/minute average fee for cell phone use. People don't realize they're being ripped off under these pricing models. Of course, heavy users do better, but the average consumer loses.

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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

It won't happen because most users are too lazy to keep an eye on their usage(even if given meters to check it) and would rather overpay for a known set amount each month than pay for exactly what they use. Hence they will get usage tiers instead of straight per-byte billing. Consumers get what they deserve because they would rather pay more for convenience than expend some effort to cut their costs.
I'm on "budget" billing with my various utilities. This means the bills are averaged over a 12mo. cycle. Even with this in place (to prevent shocks), I still keep track of the monthly usages. Most of the people I know, whether on budget billing or per therm/kWh/etc. billing also try to keep track of their billing bases.

If the ISPs want to go to per-byte billing models (thus taking a "utility" approach), they should have to provide similar billing models and meter viewability. Then again, "utilities" are, essentially, "dumb pipe" providers. If ISPs want to become "utilities", they should also have to remove themselves from content businesses.
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That's disingenuous IMHO. Usage based tiers is what will be adopted because it is more profitable, not because of anything users do.

Sure, they want people who go over the caps to pay more, but they also want to make sure Grandma with her light emailing doesn't pay less, either. It's all about creating more profit, not giving users what they want.
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said by Harddrive See Profile :

i want to see a low 'base price' for having the service available. then be charged if i use any on a per-gig basis. make it just like my electric or water bill. the less i use, the less i pay.

but we know that will never happen.
No it won't if ISPs do per byte billing. Prices will stay the same for the lowest of users and be much higher for everyone else. When ISPs say that per byte billings is "fair" for low users they are full of shit. There is no way a ISP is going to cut their prices in half or more to reflect the TRUE fairness they talk about.
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I want my flat monthly rate like i get now and i will settle for nothing less.
i do not want any capping of the net or this per byte krap.
my website has at least 50 gigs of legal downloads and it is my art and my life.i do not want these bigwig asshole ISP's screwing my life up by implementing their plans for milking us of our wallets cause it is little guys like me who will be screwed in the end.
and the rich won't care as usual.

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said by Harddrive See Profile :

i want to see a low 'base price' for having the service available. then be charged if i use any on a per-gig basis. make it just like my electric or water bill. the less i use, the less i pay.

but we know that will never happen.
To some extent, this is merely an ideal. It's a great model, until real-world factors intrude.

It's kind of like socialism in this way: I think it's good conceptually, in that socialism helps out everyone, and it means those in unfortunate circumstances get some help from everyone else. However once real-world factors intrude, the whole thing begins to unravel, namely human nature. The incentive to produce declines as one observes that those who don't produce are taken care of anyway...so what's the point of producing when one can receive for doing essentially nothing?

Similarly, the real-world factor that intrudes on usage-based billing is, noone can control completely what data are delivered over one's link. If I decide I don't care what it costs me, I could (flood?) ping you, and even if you never reply to a single echo request on your end, you would still be paying for all the data I caused to go down your pipe. The only completely fair way to implement that is if you had control of every single Internet host, if you were able to "firewall" at the source. If you could even firewall on the other end of your link to your ISP, it wouldn't be fair to your ISP or any of their upstreams because they would be paying for the traffic being sent to them that you didn't want. It's a bit along the lines of what's described at lartc.org, about how one cannot control the rate of the receive end, only the rate at which one transmits. Yes, this indirectly affects reception because most higher level protocols (think "TCP") regulate bandwidth transmitted based on what's received (transmission is not supposed to go beyond the ACK window, but there is nothing absolutely preventing that).

To borrow another analogy at lartc.org, you can't control how much postal mail you receive. You can influence it by asking to be removed from mailing lists, you can never send out anything that would cause someone to reply, but you're not going to be able to stop every single mass mailer; there is nothing in the postal system to reject mail at the source. And once a mail piece is in the postal system, you can't refuse it at least until you've received it.

...which goes full circle to the point. In virtually all commerce, one plans for expected average demand. Based on trial and error, and previous experience, some quantity of "stuff" is produced, a lot of it (sometimes all of it) is sold, and many times there is stuff left over. In the case of a sellout, there is unsatisfied demand and potential profit is lost. In the case of overproduction, either usage of space to store the overproduction for later sale causes loss in profit, or if the stuff is perishable, it is simply destroyed. For example, the power company you mentioned doesn't know ahead of time precisely how much electricity you will consume in a given month, but it has a pretty good rough estimate, so it will go and purchase approximately whatever oil, coal, nuclear fuel rods, or whatever to meet the demand they expect from you...and it won't always be right, and maybe on rare occasions not even close.

So too I have to believe it is for ISPs. They estimate that for some forecast period (say, the next year) they will have to carriage X bytes from point A to point B, which will require Y in electrical purchase, Z fibers to be laid, XX in real estate to lay that fiber across, YY in personnel to set up and maintain the equipment, and so on. They don't go laying another fiber from me to Canonical so I can download a copy of an Ubunutu DVD this month, then take it up after I'm done. Nor would they want that fine-grained procedure to satisfy that demand; it'd be too expensive. No, they provide some reasonable capacity that I pay some fairly reasonable fixed fee per month for, and the world is mostly happy. If I want more capacity (as in, greater amount of octets carried to/from me per unit of time), I can ask for and pay for that additional capacity.

It just so happens that that we don't typically pay for and measure in the same intervals; we tend to measure capacity by the second but only bill and pay for by the month. Still, in most other industries, they manage to survive and even thrive on the same estimate, produce, sell, repeat cycle. I personally don't see why ISPs can't continue to do that.

Edit: One thing that ought to be considered very carefully is that there will be increased costs in installing and maintaining metering systems. Today it is very simple: in my case $41.95 goes from me to TWC every month, in exchange for a 10/1 M/s connection (and no caps or other technical limitations as far as I know). Anything more complex than that will require expenditure to implement, and I don't quite see how it's so necessary (in essence to change the operational and economic model).

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Right. Thank you for again

stating what people keep confusing about in this argument

Some keep stating that the companies just want to make a profit, etc...and that we all would do so at our jobs....and this isn't the argument.

If they want to charge more, then charge more....but at least be honest with WHY you are doing it rather than making up stories of how it is only FAIR or how they won't be able to handle unlimited in the future and all that junk

I can deal with higher prices but I don't want companies fabricating reasons for the higher prices....or at the very least, I would like the companies called OUT for raising them due to bogus reasons

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They want what the cell phones have had for years

buy over what you need and never use it....therefor you actually way over pay per byte or minute.

So take your cell contract and divide your cost by your minutes...i bet the vast majority would be shocked to learn that if they were simply charged by the minute like the old days...they would be paying less than they are now...

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Re: They want what the cell phones have had for years

When we renewed our cell phone contact a couple of weeks ago, we were faced with a catch-22. We were ditching our landline and going cell only. This meant that our minutes used would top the 700 our existing plan allowed. However, the 1400 plan also came with "Friends & Family" that let us set 10 numbers to get free calling to. Since we call the same 10 numbers over and over and since those are now "free", our billed minuted will likely drop under 700.

So we could either go with a cheaper plan that we knew we'd exceed, or go with the more expensive plan that we knew we'd never fully use. Some choice!
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Re: They want what the cell phones have had for years

I know what you mean, my family has 5 people with at&t and we usually use about 1000-1300 of the 1400 minutes we pay for. In total we do about 3000 minutes if you include N&W. Now after they released the "a-list" with 10 free numbers the first complete month of having it we still talked about 3000 minutes but only 225 of those counted toward the 1400. I guess it's nice that we basically have an unlimited plan now, but I completely would've preferred to drop down to the 700 minute plan and save money but of course - they don't offer it on the 700. We'll have about 12,000 rollover minutes at this rate.
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ABBA played a song that sums up metered broadband.

Gimme, Gimme, Gimme. Need I say more!

Viking1

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security concerns?

If metered billing goes into affect, and people realize they will have significant penalties for going over their alloted rates, I think bandwidth stealing will start to be more prominant. Why not hop on the neighbors open wifi signal, or heck, why not crack their security and get free internet!

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Re: security concerns?

Perhaps, but those problems would be quickly resolved instead of festering for months/years at a time. Neighbor leechs off of Bob's open WiFi and downloads tons of porn. Current scenario: Bob doesn't even know anything's wrong. Metered scenario: Bob gets an outrageous bill, calls his ISP to find out what's wrong and eventually secures his WiFi.

Also, this could help against zombied computers. Current scenario: John's computer is rooted and sends out ten million spam e-mails a month. John notices his computer is running a bit slow but curses out Microsoft instead of doing anything. Metered scenario: John gets a bill for a ton of data sent, has his computer checked out, and cleans up his act.

Granted, this is all assuming a few things. First of all, this assumes true metering as in $X per MB sent/received and not $X per month for up to Y GB plus $Z/GB overage. Secondly, it assumes that ISPs put systems/policies in place to help users transition to taking more of a responsibility for their system's security (have combination fraud/IT departments that can help users troubleshoot high bills and issue one time refunds as users clean up).

Of course, I still have problems with metered billing, such as having to overly pay for downloading spam e-mails or pay actual money for a site's annoying video ad. Server side spam filtering will have to be in place and ad blockers might become more common/effective.
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Re: security concerns?

said by Jason Levine See Profile :

Of course, I still have problems with metered billing, such as having to overly pay for downloading spam e-mails or pay actual money for a site's annoying video ad. Server side spam filtering will have to be in place and ad blockers might become more common/effective.
Excellent point and one that frequently gets overlooked. I wonder how much of most users' data downloaded comprises stuff they actually want, and how much is spam/oversized flash ads/etc.

We might see a lot more users using "mobile" versions of websites to cut down on unnecessary fluff. (I know I've switched to exclusively using m.comcast.net to check ISP email.)
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The masses will not care...

The masses will not care because Big Media isn't covering this issue. Only us tech geeks read these tech sites. Sure there is the Wall Street Journal writing about it once in a blue moon, but they go for the argument that giving Big Telco or Big Cable more money is a very good thing. Maybe its the way I explain this topic to non-techies even though I try to explain to them using what they hold value most - their hard earned money, but usually their eyes will just glaze over and they stare with blank faces at me.
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Bandwidth costs money. (Duh!)

Why do people continue to ignore the simple fact that there is not "bandwidth fairy" who magically delivers bandwidth for free? Bandwidth costs money, and there must be some way of controlling how much a customer who is paying a certain fixed price can consume. Generally, there are three ways: implicit limits (throttling, shaping, and limits on the type of use); explicit limits (throttle or cut off the user after a certain amount is used); or overage charges (which cause the user to limit his or her own consumption). As an ISP, I favor implicit limits, because they are trouble-free and do not cause sticker shock. They are also fairer to smaller providers. (See my testimony at »www.brettglass.com/FCC/remarks.html for the reasons why.) But if implicit limits are outlawed by overreaching "network neutrality" regulations, there will be no choice but to meter.
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Re: Bandwidth costs money. (Duh!)

OK....there is a very fundamental mistake in your logic. You are correct that bandwidth cost money, but you are conflating two thing....bandwidth and usage.

Bandwidth is the CAPACITY of your Internet connection. Think of it as the size of an empty pipe. This is what we pay for today...a connection SPEED or bandwidth. Back to the pipe. The bandwidth (size) of the pipe doesn't care if it's empty or if water is flowing through it at full rate.

Usage on the other hand is the AMOUNT of water that flows through the pipe. Now the utility company charges you based on the AMOUNT of water you use because water is a limited natural resource.

Now back to your Internet bandwidth. ISPs know that the true cost of providing service is in providing the connection. This is because that's the same pricing model the ISPs are charged to pay for their connection to a backhaul carrier or to each other. The cost is in the connection size or capacity or BANDWIDTH, whether that connection is running at full capacity or sitting idle. Bits themselves cost nothing. They're not a limited natural resource like water, gas, coal, etc.

So in summary:

Bandwith = capacity = speed = true cost of service and the fair business model we operate under today.

Usage = amount = actual bits = a fabricated business model not based on actual costs which represents a pure money grab by ISPs based on punitive overage charges.

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Re: Bandwidth costs money. (Duh!)

You've left oversubscription out of your equation.

The sum of all access connections (ie, end-user broadband connections) is greater than the total capacity at distribution. As usage at the edge increases, real money needs to be spent to upgrade capacity at distribution.

That's where the usage-based billing systems are derived from -- it's developing the funding source to provide the capital for future upgrades on oversubscribed links. It sets up a system that those who contribute the most towards driving future expansion pay end up covering most of the expense.
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What you are really saying is that nothing should be able to get in the way of an ISP over selling connections to their obviously limited bandwidth.

Thanks, got it.
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Re: Bandwidth costs money. (Duh!)

Just because you can't connect all of the people at the same time at full speed doesn't mean you're overselling it. If it did you would have to say we oversell are: roads, electrical grid, phone system and water system. All of these are based on average maximum usage models.

It is true that a lot of ISPs do oversell their connections (according to the average maximum usage), but this isn't universally true and bandwidth management is still important even without overselling to ensure that the entire system operates efficiently just like how we have traffic laws to ensure that our roads work correctly.
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Except for a few crazies here I don't think anyone here opposes reasonable network management so long as it is agnostic to the type of traffic and origin of the traffic. I also don't mind having tiered plans, but the overage must reflect the cost of delivery and not be a penalty as such I do believe that these also need to be regulated. Not based on a static number, but based on a ratio of speed to base cost.

Something like the maximum rate you can charge per GB is equal to twice (the monthly cost - the fixed cost associated with it) / The GB cap. So a 150GB cap like comcast provides which costs $100 per month, let's say $20 comes from the fixed cost (this is a guess) would mean a price cap of $80 / 150GB = $0.53 per GB.

For a smaller plan like you see for wireless which have much higher data costs which is say $100 per 5GB with the same fixed cost (again this cost has nothing to do with reality, real numbers would be nice) would be $80 / 5GB = $16 per GB.
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roll over bytes

One of them will come out with roll over bytes. If you don't use all your bytes this month they will roll over to next month. Think of the commercials they could make Some kid tossing a bunch of bytes in the trash and mom comes along and says Hey those are good bytes don't waste them...

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Re: roll over bytes

hmm that sounds familiar.. where have i heard this before..
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I could see it now...

Would pull the same stunts the electric companies do.. My electric bill goes up ~100$ around christmas time even though I dont do anything different. I dont put up lights or anything but yet my bill sky rockets just because others put up lights.

I could see the ISPs doing that.. " *Gasp* Some people are using their connects a ton! Lets inflate everyones bill. "
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Re: I could see it now...

said by SlyLoK See Profile :

Would pull the same stunts the electric companies do.. My electric bill goes up ~100$ around christmas time even though I dont do anything different.
You have heat? Heat pump, furnace with blower, electric baseboard?
chronoss2009

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and in other news

there is no wifi security as a german company proved
so go ahead do that metered billing for wireless and get ready for when that buddy a yours gets angry at you.....

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Re: and in other news

and downloads the entire library of congress 3 times on your "secure wifi"?
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