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clubs: | Re: There goes on-line Canadian pharmacies for the US There's always 1-800 #s to get hold of them. It won't slow me down ...... | |
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| said by en102  :Yeah right! I suspect the pharmaceutical companies have an interest in this... they want to shut off 'decent priced' Canadian online pharmacies. Yeh decent priced piss poor quality some times causeing death oftn miss labeled drug sellers.
Think all those news stories are crap? Their not. I do not know here personally but a friends friends mother (do know the friends friend and heard this from him personally) Died from perscription pain pills from a non us phamacy. I forget what the pain pill reallly was. But she had just had back surgery and the doctor perscribed a fairly large dose of a vicadine pain med. She was to take up to 4 per day under the docs strict supervision. She could not afford the ones here so bought online. She took 6 of them over a period of 3 days and went in to convulsions on the 3rd day and died later that night.
You never know what these meds really are or where they are really coming from. Theres also the fact that many of these meds while they may be exactly what they claim have long sense expired. T3 with codine can mess you up real bad if used after it expires. The codine in it can become supper potent. theres many other pain meds that are like this. Nitro tablets when expired can loose most if not all their effectiveness.
With all the various perscription drug plans and work you can gt many meds at extreamly low prices here in the us. In some cases the drug company them self will provide a patiant with the drug at no cost or low cost.
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| Virtual vs. Physical While it's common to ask business to enforce government policy, the Internet is virtual and blocking sites seems futile -- unless the government creates a comprehensive "good list" and everything not on the list is blocked. I can't imagine that this wouldn't violate something in the constitution but...
The other thing that bothers me is if the ISPs are asked to block content, what happens when something slips through the cracks and someone dies? Are they liable because they failed to protect the public?
Why don't we figure out why folks want to buy from "illegal" pharmacies and determine if there is a way to eliminate this desire rather than trying to block it?
This reminds me of a story I heard. There was a stretch of highway where everyone was speeding. Government tried everyting to enforce the limit but in the end, everyone still drove too fast. Then someone decided to paint the dashed lines on the highway closer together. Everyone drove slower because the lines made them feel like they were driving faster. I don't know if it's true but sometimes problems have to be solved cooperatively rather than by force. | |
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| Re: Virtual vs. Physical said by rradina :Why don't we figure out why folks want to buy from "illegal" pharmacies and determine if there is a way to eliminate this desire rather than trying to block it? Because the "illegal pharmacy" thing is a complete myth. Big Pharma has a pecuniary interest in forcing Americans to buy significantly overpriced pharmaceuticals instead of allowing a choice to buy it from north of the border where the Canadian government collectively bargains for cheaper drug prices.
Americans pay the highest prescription drug prices on the planet not because the quality is so good, but because we are forced by Big Pharma to subsidize all the countries that collectively bargain for lower prices. This trickling down of the responsibility onto the heads of the ISPs to police online pharmacies is nothing more than an attempt initiated by bought and paid for politicians to throw up a smokescreen to disguise the intended purpose: to do the bidding for their Big Pharma masters. Standard Operating Procedure for the American federal government - Give it a warm & fuzzy, feel-good name to disguise the real intent. See also the Patriot and Military Commissions Acts.
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| Re: Virtual vs. Physical said by major marco :Standard Operating Procedure for the American federal government - Give it a warm & fuzzy, feel-good name to disguise the real intent. See also the Patriot and Military Commissions Acts. But what about the children? Think about the children!
Besides, terrorists are who really benefit from illegal pharmacies.
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| Re: Virtual vs. Physical said by nixen :[...]terrorists are who really benefit from illegal pharmacies. Actually, the "illegal" pharmacies ARE the terrarists.
I hear Canada will be the next country that will be invaded for selling Americans prescription pharmaceuticals on the web. We have to be "protected" from cheaper drugs, dont'cha know.
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| Re: Virtual vs. Physical said by major marco :said by nixen :[...]terrorists are who really benefit from illegal pharmacies. Actually, the "illegal" pharmacies ARE the terrarists. I hear Canada will be the next country that will be invaded for selling Americans prescription pharmaceuticals on the web. We have to be "protected" from cheaper drugs, dont'cha know. Oh well. At least when that happens, won't to make too deep of an incursion. For some odd reason, most of them `nuck-critters are all bunched up at the border with the US.
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| Re: Virtual vs. Physical Its an open market for big pharma in the U.S.... they can charge as much as they want and have competition as well (limited). The VA hospitals collectively bargain and have much lower rates than any hospital/insurance plan would get. Why ? Because there's too much money to be made between the pharma, hospitals, doctors, lawyers, sales, and insurance companies which make billions on this stuff.
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| said by major marco :said by rradina :Why don't we figure out why folks want to buy from "illegal" pharmacies and determine if there is a way to eliminate this desire rather than trying to block it? Because the "illegal pharmacy" thing is a complete myth. Big Pharma has a pecuniary interest in forcing Americans to buy significantly overpriced pharmaceuticals instead of allowing a choice to buy it from north of the border where the Canadian government collectively bargains for cheaper drug prices. Americans pay the highest prescription drug prices on the planet not because the quality is so good, but because we are forced by Big Pharma to subsidize all the countries that collectively bargain for lower prices. This trickling down of the responsibility onto the heads of the ISPs to police online pharmacies is nothing more than an attempt initiated by bought and paid for politicians to throw up a smokescreen to disguise the intended purpose: to do the bidding for their Big Pharma masters. Standard Operating Procedure for the American federal government - Give it a warm & fuzzy, feel-good name to disguise the real intent. See also the Patriot and Military Commissions Acts. yup. it's messed up how htis country is. | |
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| said by rradina :This reminds me of a story I heard. There was a stretch of highway where everyone was speeding. Government tried everyting to enforce the limit but in the end, everyone still drove too fast. Then someone decided to paint the dashed lines on the highway closer together. Everyone drove slower because the lines made them feel like they were driving faster. I don't know if it's true but sometimes problems have to be solved cooperatively rather than by force. While I can not confirm this story it sounds plausible to me. I read once that there are regulations (rules?) about what the length and spacing (gaps) of the divider lines are supposed to be which are based on the designated speed limit for that section of road. It is based on the lines strobing at a set rate. If you get the wrong rate the driver will feel uncomfortable and will unconsciously adjust their speed to become comfortable again. The article I read this in claimed that the deliberate mispainting of the lines was a frequent tactic in areas where some Police Departments want to set up a speed traps (the road is painted to cause the driver to speed up while the signs are set to say slow down). The driver is tricked into violating the posted speed limit or to not slow down when entering the speed trap which is set up past the point where the speed limit has been lowered. It also mentioned a case where just after the state speed limit was lowered on a limited access highway, the roads were repainted (as part of periodic maintenance) with the lines set for the old higher speed limit (unintentionally turning the road into a speed trap). There was a suit that forced the speeding cases to get tossed out and the old limit be declared the de facto speed limit until the roads were correctly repainted. | |
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| "The other thing that bothers me is if the ISPs are asked to block content, what happens when something slips through the cracks and someone dies? Are they liable because they failed to protect the public?"
That's why we opted out of providing "Child Safe" filters. The first kid that sees a boobie is going to have parents threating to sue. No matter how great of a filter you use stuff will get through. | |
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| Re: ISPs as Internet Babysitters said by niagara_man1 :First illegal drugs. And then wait till het RIAA gets into this and ISP's are to block all mp3 traffic GOLFnSUN would support all mp3 traffic being blocked
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There are already hundreds of regulations on mail - and that is already overseen by unkle sam.
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| The Blocking Never Ends The real problem is that once you start blocking, inevitably the government will start blocking whatever is politically unpopular.
First they'll block rogue pharmacies. Then all porn. Then all sites that discuss abortion. Then sites that discuss illegal recreational drugs. Then sites that discuss terrorism. Then anything that might infringe someones copyright. Then ... you get the idea. | |
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| Re: Oh Crap said by PolarBear :Great, now where am I supposed to get my Vicadin? What's Vicadin?
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| Re: Oh Crap said by nixen :What's Vicadin? A really groovy narcotic painkiller. . .
Think I'm gonna order some Viagra and Cymbalta, take both before bed and see what happens. | |
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| Re: Oh Crap said by fireflier :said by nixen :What's Vicadin? A really groovy narcotic painkiller. . . Actually, Vicadin is nothing. At least, it's nothing you'd find in a drug lookup on one of the search sites (though, they'll typically ask, "did you mean Vicodin").
See calvoiper 's response.
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"Please contact your doctor if you experience an erection lasting more than four hours"
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| Re: Oh Crap said by expert007 :Notice that he didn't misspell Viagara......must have been a good result "Please contact your doctor if you experience an erection lasting more than four hours" Why?? Is he gonna give me relief? So he can cut and drain you.
But, if he has a cute nurse...
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| said by fireflier :said by nixen :What's Vicadin? A really groovy narcotic painkiller. . . Think I'm gonna order some Viagra and Cymbalta, take both before bed and see what happens. You will no longer be depressed and have a b.0.n.3.r.
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| Re: Oh Crap said by calvoiper :...I think he meant "vicodin", but was in a hydrocodone-induced haze and just missed the spelling.... cv For those who watch "House" Vicodin are the pills he is constantly popping and which he was persecuted for using by an out-of-control cop in a story arc earlier this season. | |
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1 edit | hmmm..;... good grief, when is this $hit going to stop.....oh wait, when drug prices become reasonable and we aren't getting hosed and asked to bend over when we buy them...they should be spending their time getting/making them available at a fair price ( not pandering to the Pharm companies.Since the congress critters probably get theirs free at our expense). This is one item a lot of people have no choice in if they want to live. We can't choose to shop around or not buy...yes it's ok to make a profit, but....JMT
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| USA, Inc. Just another example of how the US is being run by corporations. Obviously money has been thrown at the politicians responsible for pushing this, and I'm sure they have clever ways of disguising these "contributions".  | |
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| Did Henry Ford have to deal with this crud? Thank Heavens that these nanny-state coddling Democrats weren't in office when the automobile was invented. We'd be stuck with cars that couldn't go anywhere because they might somehow "negatively impact" some aspect of early 20th Century life--like the income stream from horse farmers and stable owners....
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| I'm confused... Wasn't it the Democrats that wanted to allow American citizens to legally import Canadian drugs but now they are backing a measure to block them from shopping for those drugs ?
Something doesn't add up here... OH that's right, I know why, because politics is horseshit.
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3 edits | Re: I'm confused... Not confusing at all.
Legal importation means they can TAX it. Democrats are only interested in something if it means taxing it or creating a program around it. This is different from Republicans who are only interested in it if it means job exportation. | |
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| Re: I'm confused... said by ColorBASIC :This is different from Republicans who are only interested in it if it means job exportation. Which explains why they are so hard up on the anti-drug stance... Damn outsourced cocaine and such.
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phenol8
join:2004-12-07
New Windsor, NY | this is dumb *sigh*
as much as I'd vote for a dem over a republican... I still can't stand democrats when it comes to stuff like this
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1 edit | Thanks to The News Item Posted Above/After This One.. I can defer to the good folks at the Open Net Initiative for the level-headed, well thought out, in-depth and quite correct argument against this particularly galling example of the the "cradle-to-grave childproofing" that politicicians of this ilk attempt to impose upon us.
I'm left the "fun part":
"Could somebody give Sen. Leahy a big WHACK with a clue-by-four? I'd suggest showing him a week's worth of spam, and point out to him two things: (1) The well-known, common ways spammers evade content filters, i.e: "image spam", and then: (2) HEY DUMMY! See what this stuff is advertising ("peter pills"), content definitely not wanted by the ISP's customers, and they to their absolute best already on this front.
This makes as much sense an legislation requiring that everybody gets a free lunch and has a happy day, which, thay've already attempted"
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PS: anyone else getting Spams from the "dsdfj.hk / 'Cananian Online Pharmacy'" spammer? I'll have a surprise for him when I implement my milter next weekend: "Pico and Sepulveda... Pico and Sepulveda..." (Remember the movie?  | |
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| I am furious at this. While I don't and wouldn't buy drugs from Canada, the fact the Democrats are trying to push this should have more people angry. What's next? What else will deem inappropriate and block when they see fit? This is the first step...
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