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The secret Jihad against cable TV exposed!
(old news - 10:05AM Thursday Mar 06 2008)
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Efforts to successfully map broadband deployment in this country have been fought tooth and nail by the largest providers. Carriers don't want deployment shortcomings and lack of competition highlighted, because someone might actually do something about it. And solving one or both problems would likely cost ISPs money. Usually, the ISPs argue that they can't disclose deployment data because it poses a competitive threat; as if these giant providers don't already know precisely where a competitor offers service before investing billions in a new technology deployment (FTTH, FTTN, Terabyte Pigeons).

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There's a number of laws being drafted both on the State and Federal level that would work on mapping and shoring up rural broadband deployment. Many of these laws would require carriers to pony up this data so that the country could finally know precisely who offers service, where, and at what speed. Comcast, in opposition to a Maryland State bill, this week insisted that they can't provide deployment data because terrorists could attack:
"9/11 wasn’t that long ago. We don’t want to make it easier for them to take out the network." He added that the legislation requiring fuller disclosure could point to where vital public safety resources were, particularly in the wireless network.
Good thing we have ham radio operators. Were the terrorists to attack, it's obvious their top target wouldn't be the Comcast cable network, but Comcast's recently acquired Fandango website. Terrorists also really hate on-demand high-definition content. The images are just too damn crisp!

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Taking advantage of FEAR

They spouted this BS right after 9/11. If the terrorists attacked our infrastructure they could do it without the data.

It's easy enough to figure where the large trunks are because the ILEC's only deploy along the easiest route to MONEY.

If they gave the data to help deployment in less served areas, it would be impossible for terrorist or even an attacking enemy in a war to take out our communications 100%.

The way they are deploying now makes it easier to disrupt communications with less resources.
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Re: Taking advantage of FEAR

But... but they told us that it all changed after 9-11.

What these asses are doing is the REAL terrorism. They're causing fear in the masses to get their way. I hope they rot in hell. No virgins for them.

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Point Has Merit

The ISPs are right. This bill is not needed. No company should have to disclose publicly where its main vulnerabilities are located.

We've already shown that most ISPs will tell customers whether or not they provide service to a particular address:

FIOS lookup by address: »www22.verizon.com/fiosforhome/ch···ntry.asp

Verizon DSL lookup by address: »www22.verizon.com/content/consum···ress.htm

AT&T DSL lookup by address:
»https://swot.sbc.com/swot/canIOrderOnlin···ocessDSL

QWest DSL lookup by address:
»www.qwest.com/residential/intern···ual.html

Anyone who is interested in determining service availability can use these forms to see if where they will be living can receive service. There is no need for an Act of Congress here.
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Re: Point Has Merit

said by pnh102 See Profile :

Anyone who is interested in determining service availability can use these forms to see if where they will be living can receive service. There is no need for an Act of Congress here.
Before I got phone service at this address, I tried to check to see if I could get DSL here. It said no. Good thing I didn't rely on that system to determine if I wanted to live here.

For whatever reason, the moment I got phone service, it showed up that I could also get DSL.

Also these systems are well known to fail on new construction addresses.

Was a nice try though, what you said. To bad it's not true.
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Re: Point Has Merit

said by gatorkram See Profile :

Was a nice try though, what you said. To bad it's not true.
So based on your one single example you are going to conclude that all the information spewed by these links is false?

What makes you think government-mandated maps will be any more accurate?

For most people I know, these websites were a good thing, they verified broadband availability prior to moving.
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Re: Point Has Merit

said by gatorkram See Profile :

What makes you think government-mandated maps will be any more accurate?
It has been my experience the government does very little in respect to things that have come from those providing money to their coffers. With that said I believe the maps will be untouched and therefore only as accurate as the info provided by the ISP's

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said by pnh102 See Profile :

What makes you think government-mandated maps will be any more accurate?
Because information for government maps must, by federal law, conform to FDGC standards for metadata and placing purposefully misleading accuracy statements in that metadata would then open up the data providers to lawsuit if those data are the basis for incorrect decisions.
Right now, Verizon makes no guarantee to their accuracy and has no liability if the accuracy of their mappings are incorrect.
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Verizon makes it impossible to see weather they will give you service without a call. Same with Earthlink. without a phone number they dont pull anything up. and anything built in last 15 years isnt registered on either site. so i think your statement is inaccurate.

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Assuming that carriers already provide this information publicly, what is then the harm of providing it in an aggregated fashion?

As you may have already noted, Comcast was not on your link list. In fact, no cable company was.

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Re: Point Has Merit

said by riturno See Profile :

Assuming that carriers already provide this information publicly, what is then the harm of providing it in an aggregated fashion?
If an ISP wishes to do so on its own then that is fine. I just don't see it as being the government's business to force them to provide this information.
said by riturno See Profile :

As you may have already noted, Comcast was not on your link list. In fact, no cable company was.
Comcast does have an address entry form on its main page... but its website sucks in general, which is one of the reasons I decided not to list it. However, there is nothing stopping people from calling them to see if service is available.
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They are not being asked for map of their network -- they are being asked to provide the exact locations where they can, or can not, provide residential broadband services.

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Re: Point Has Merit

said by PhoenixDown See Profile :

they are being asked to provide the exact locations where they can, or can not, provide residential broadband services.
People can verify broadband availability on their own. They do not need the government to do it for them.
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Re: Point Has Merit

said by pnh102 See Profile :

People can verify broadband availability on their own. They do not need the government to do it for them.
The people are stating that broadband IS NOT available and want to build out municipal networks.

The cable and telephone companies are fighting these initiatives claiming that broadband IS available.

The point of this initiative is to determine exactly where broadband is or is not available so a comprehensive national deployment strategy can be put into place.

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Re: Point Has Merit

said by PhoenixDown See Profile :

The people are stating that broadband IS NOT available and want to build out municipal networks.
Well if these people know that they cannot get broadband, then what is the point of the map telling them what they already know? What is stopping them from acting as private citizens to build their own network?
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Re: Point Has Merit

Because the data is already there and available to be parsed. It would cost them peanuts to provide this information so that local governments could actually decide what services are being provided to their community.

Or should the governments have every person sit down, enter in their address to these websites, let it calculate, and then enter it into their own database.

Its a waste of freaking money to have the information sitting there unused and intentionally hidden.

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Re: Point Has Merit

said by thevorpal See Profile :

Or should the governments have every person sit down, enter in their address to these websites, let it calculate, and then enter it into their own database.
Here's a better idea.

Let the people who really care about this information sit at their keyboards and man the phones and go through every address to find it.

If they find problems or discrepancies with the information, they can make every attempt to resolve it themselves.
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Re: Point Has Merit

No, that's just really stupid.

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said by pnh102 See Profile :

said by PhoenixDown See Profile :

The people are stating that broadband IS NOT available and want to build out municipal networks.
Well if these people know that they cannot get broadband, then what is the point of the map telling them what they already know? What is stopping them from acting as private citizens to build their own network?
Well most private citizens are middle class and dont have the money the telecos have. the Telecos take all this money and never spend it which ends up lining the pockets of the rich private citzens rather than expanding their networks.

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I don't see why there can't be a map of availability for the consumer.....and sometimes the private sector needs a prod from the government and in this day and age, that is what a lot of home buyers use in their criteria for buying a new home.. I believe the cablecos are reluctant in a large part in that they don't want their availability to be shown for a lot of reasons. It's that they don't want to spend the money in some areas unless they are threatened by some form of competition. Name some areas where there are more than one cable company that offers competing service, or by that matter a phone company..I live in a city where the phone is divided between verizon, and ATT, the ONLY cable company is RR.
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Re: Point Has Merit

said by woody7 See Profile :

I don't see why there can't be a map of availability for the consumer...
That isn't a good argument for forcing ISPs to make them available. As I've stated before, consumers can already find out if a given address is serviceable.
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Re: Point Has Merit

I think that it is valid,as consumers find on some sites they have to sift through piles of crap to get the answer they need, and it is ambiguous at best. I bet if some private party did just that, the uproar from the cablecos and even telcos would be deafening. The only conceivable reason that they don't want this info easily available is for the reasons that others have stated.It wouldn't paint them in a good light. Peace
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said by woody7 See Profile :

The only conceivable reason that they don't want this info easily available is for the reasons that others have stated.
But if the information was never meant to be available why would ISPs publish websites where you can perform address lookups for various services offered?

We could look at this from the phone angle as well... let's say I am moving. I could call whatever cable company services the area to which I plan to move and ask "Do you offer High Speed Internet at my address?" If the cable companies were keeping deployment information a secret, then they would tell me that they could not help me. Of course, that scenario is ludicrous, and it shows that the information is already available.
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Re: Point Has Merit

Your lack of any concern for anything beyond the protection of providers is quite funny.

Since they have all this information available, why can't they simply provide it as public information so that others can easily access it?

You can't claim it is for "competitive" reasons as any "competitor" already knows where the other serves.

Besides, I would say it is public information for 2 reasons: 1.) They are a publicly traded company 2.) They are using public right aways.

asdfdfdfdfdf

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The point isn't to have this data so that individuals can determine if they can get service while not having to go through the trouble of checking for themselves, i.e. having the government find out for them.
It is to determine the country's actual state of communications deployment so that intelligent public policy can be developed.

work

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right, so that general purpose public tool has the entire database of where (for DSL for instance) the CO is, exactly how many wire feet are between it and the CO, the condition of hte lines between the requestor and the nearest CO wiht a DSLAM, and all the other technical data required to make a good solid "yes" or "no" as to the availablity of DSL?
..if you think it does, then you're wrong, very, very, very, wrong.
all that does is let you know if it's likely to work. all the rest of the technical data is not available until the provisioning department of the (I/C)LEC of your choice for DSL goes to have whomever is providing the DSL service start to provision the circuit. and even then, it's still posssible that even though the provisioning department gets the circuit provisioned, you can still end up with the lines between A and B not being able to support the speeds requested (and theoretically possible for the DSL circuit) and the whole thing gets deemed TNF.

yep.
people can get ALL that info RIGHT from the public checks, which most of (memory serving) say somewhere on them that just because the site says it's available at your location, it's not 100% for certain that you can get the service you're asking about.

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said by pnh102 See Profile :

The ISPs are right. This bill is not needed. No company should have to disclose publicly where its main vulnerabilities are located.
And yet product pipelines, including natural gas and oil, have to disclose their locations.

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And yet product pipelines, including natural gas and oil, have to disclose their locations.
So do ISPs. That's why this bill is not needed.
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

said by marigolds See Profile :

And yet product pipelines, including natural gas and oil, have to disclose their locations.
So do ISPs. That's why this bill is not needed.
They do? Where? I have yet to find the spatial database with that information.
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said by marigolds See Profile :

Where? I have yet to find the spatial database with that information.
Here we go again:

FIOS lookup by address: »www22.verizon.com/fiosforhome/ch···ntry.asp

Verizon DSL lookup by address: »www22.verizon.com/content/consum···ress.htm

AT&T DSL lookup by address:
»https://swot.sbc.com/swot/canIOrderOnlin···ocessDSL

QWest DSL lookup by address:
»www.qwest.com/residential/intern···ual.html

I decided to bother with looking up the links for Cable ISPs as well as some people had griped that I had missed that. I regret the omission.

Cox - »https://secure.cox.com/service/offers/av···ces.aspx

Comcast - (FINALLY) »https://www.comcast.com/Localization/Loc···x&area=6

Time Warner's websites are state specific.

It took me about 10 minutes to compile this list. Anyone else who is interested is more than welcome to go to these websites and knock themselves out.
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Re: Point Has Merit

said by pnh102 See Profile :

FIOS lookup by address: »www22.verizon.com/fiosforhome/ch···ntry.asp

Verizon DSL lookup by address: »www22.verizon.com/content/consum···ress.htm

AT&T DSL lookup by address:
»https://swot.sbc.com/swot/canIOrderOnlin···ocessDSL

QWest DSL lookup by address:
»www.qwest.com/residential/intern···ual.html

Cox - »https://secure.cox.com/service/offers/av···ces.aspx

Comcast - (FINALLY) »https://www.comcast.com/Localization/Loc···x&area=6
None of those are spatial databases.
Zero.
Useless for spatial analysis.
Completely useless for network analysis.
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said by marigolds See Profile :

None of those are spatial databases.
Zero.
Useless for spatial analysis.
Completely useless for network analysis.
Again, the information is there. It may not be in a convenient form, but it is there. Since most customers are more than capable of determining broadband availability on their own, I see no need for a government mandate.
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said by marigolds See Profile :

None of those are spatial databases.
Zero.
Useless for spatial analysis.
Completely useless for network analysis.
Again, the information is there. It may not be in a convenient form, but it is there. Since most customers are more than capable of determining broadband availability on their own, I see no need for a government mandate.
No, it is not there in any form.

If I type in 7900 Forsyth Blvd, Clayton, MO, there is no indication of where that is according to the records of that company. They could consider that to be the bottom floor of the northmost building on that lot. They could consider that to the be the 8th floor of the southeast building. They might consider that to be part of the city of Clayton, or part of unincorporated St Louis County. They might mean the intersection of Forsyth and Central or the intersection of Forsyth and Meramac.
Which is it? Who knows. The companies are not going to say because that would be a statement of accuracy which they will not make.

So, where is the spatial database? Where is the record source that says whether or not there is service at 38.650025 North, 90.339069 W in NAD83 (and translate that relative to the correct HARN State Plane System for survey use)?
Because it is certainly not available in any of the links you provide, and without it you cannot map that broadband availability information.

This is not just about whether or not a consumer can find if they have service, it is about relevant agencies being able to conduct appropriate mapping and spatial analysis necessary for national security and emergency management.
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

The ISPs are right. This bill is not needed. No company should have to disclose publicly where its main vulnerabilities are located.

We've already shown that most ISPs will tell customers whether or not they provide service to a particular address:
No vulnerabilities have been requested. This is about actual penetration. And we're talking about broadband to the house, not corporate America to our pockets. But you just keep on fear mongering the world to try to hold on to your fading point.

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said by wentlanc See Profile :

No vulnerabilities have been requested. This is about actual penetration. And we're talking about broadband to the house, not corporate America to our pockets. But you just keep on fear mongering the world to try to hold on to your fading point.
Again, the information is already out there if you want it. An act of Congress is not needed.
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Re: Point Has Merit

So when I go to the city planning meeting, what information should I bring from this 'available' information.
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

Anyone who is interested in determining service availability can use these forms to see if where they will be living can receive service. There is no need for an Act of Congress here.
Good thing we're forcing not only the government to go through hoops to get this data, but now the terrorists too. If they're limited to the links you provided, they'll have to work forever to find out where our last-mile infrastructure has poor investment (sorry, I mean vulnerabilities that would expose copper loops to attack).

The terrorist play-book is full of things like this: seek out vulnerabilities in last-mile infrastructure, seek out vulnerabilities in newspaper delivery routes, etc. Imagine the untold damage they could do with that information.

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said by pnh102 See Profile :

The ISPs are right. This bill is not needed. No company should have to disclose publicly where its main vulnerabilities are located.

We've already shown that most ISPs will tell customers whether or not they provide service to a particular address:

FIOS lookup by address: »www22.verizon.com/fiosforhome/ch···ntry.asp

Verizon DSL lookup by address: »www22.verizon.com/content/consum···ress.htm

AT&T DSL lookup by address:
»https://swot.sbc.com/swot/canIOrderOnlin···ocessDSL

QWest DSL lookup by address:
»www.qwest.com/residential/intern···ual.html

Anyone who is interested in determining service availability can use these forms to see if where they will be living can receive service. There is no need for an Act of Congress here.
I know you are not, but I have to ask: are you really this dumb?

I'm much more sure you are being willingly obtuse.

the data is not to benefit individuals seeking to know if they can get broadband service at a certain location. the data is to inform counties, cities, states, the govt as to where broadband is available and where it is not.

with this information, an accurate picture of the state of broadband deployment can be determined. this will help the policies and planning of those entities that give a shit about broadband deployment and think having it is important to their well being.

no incumbent or their representative have given any valid reason not to disclose this information.

except of course, to protect us from the terrorists

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Re: Point Has Merit

said by nasadude See Profile :

said by pnh102 See Profile :

The ISPs are right. This bill is not needed. No company should have to disclose publicly where its main vulnerabilities are located.

We've already shown that most ISPs will tell customers whether or not they provide service to a particular address:

FIOS lookup by address: »www22.verizon.com/fiosforhome/ch···ntry.asp

Verizon DSL lookup by address: »www22.verizon.com/content/consum···ress.htm

AT&T DSL lookup by address:
»https://swot.sbc.com/swot/canIOrderOnlin···ocessDSL

QWest DSL lookup by address:
»www.qwest.com/residential/intern···ual.html

Anyone who is interested in determining service availability can use these forms to see if where they will be living can receive service. There is no need for an Act of Congress here.
I know you are not, but I have to ask: are you really this dumb?
Are you incapable of clicking on links and typing into webforms?
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

Are you incapable of clicking on links and typing into webforms?
And where is Verizon getting the addressing information that it is using for this database? What is the geocode for this addressing information, against what datum, using what projection, to what horizontal accuracy?
When you put a map in google, it makes certain assumptions in terms of the geocode, datum, projection, and horizontal accuracy. These assumptions look okay on google maps, but would not work for many other mapping applications and no other spatial analysis applications.
Without this information, it is impossible to use the results of entering addresses into the webforms.
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said by marigolds See Profile :

When you put a map in google, it makes certain assumptions in terms of the geocode, datum, projection, and horizontal accuracy. These assumptions look okay on google maps, but would not work for many other mapping applications and no other spatial analysis applications.
Heh.

Google Maps has its own issues with out of date geocoding data. I would not assume for a second that they are 100% accurate in all situations.
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The ISPs are right. This bill is not needed. No company should have to disclose publicly where its main vulnerabilities are located.

We've already shown that most ISPs will tell customers whether or not they provide service to a particular address:
AT&T DSL lookup by address:

Oh, yeah, ATT works well. This stupid program can not even find my address!!

Sure would like someone to tell them to cut loose. Then maybe they would finish running their DSL the last few yards to my home.

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said by pnh102 See Profile :

No company should have to disclose publicly where its main vulnerabilities are located.
They already do, though. Just see where the office of the CEO is, and where the board of directors meet. There's their main vulnerabilities and weaknesses.
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Really?

I thought the bad guys love to see themselves on TV.
I call bull-$-hit

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pathetic excuse

what a pathetic and transparent excuse. providers do have something to fear---public knowledge that the competitive marketplace for broadband has failed.

the big question is what to do about it?

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Re: pathetic excuse

I don't understand it either. Why would terrorists care where people live? They attack public areas not private residents. It's just a way to not show how underdeveloped some areas are compared to others that have competition like FIOS.
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I don't blame Comcast a single bit

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Maybe we should close down all the cable companies......

.....they might be subject to a terrorist attack.
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Stupid Comcast

I read this article twice just to make sure i read it correctly. The first time i read the article it was stupid, but as i read it for the second time I found it even more absurd. Why wouldn't you want to post data where you fail to provided service, Oh i remember if you can't make the money, no-one will. If you are so worried then build out your network and lower prices.

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Be afraid be very afraid

They learned from the government

Personally, I think Comcast is more subject to attack from their customers than terrorist
nutcr0cker

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Re: Be afraid be very afraid

If this benefits terrorist we should not even mention it here let alone ask comcast to share such data. Be patriotic refrain from asking questions.

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Well,

it works for the president, maybe a little fear mongering will work for businesses. You don't have to point where your network hubs are located, though I'm sure anyone who would want to know wouldn't have a hard time finding them. Just tell where you provide, and where you don't provide service.

I work for a bank and know the hoops a bank gets to go through for the government, some other businesses should get to share in the fun of governement reporting. Plus, it will create more jobs.
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Story based on hearsay. What was really said?

Another NEWS source that is anything but that:
»www.publicknowledge.org/node/1428
Comcast lobbyist Sean M. Looney invoked the Giuliani defense: consumers can’t be given information about broadband in their neighborhoods because of… 9/11. Looney dropped the G-bomb, telling the Committee that “9/11 wasn’t that long ago. We don’t want to make it easier for them to take out the network.”
That is the sole source of this BBR story. No documented testimony. No link to the testimony. Just a blogger saying what he heard, or at least his interpretation on what he thought he heard. In court this is called hearsay and is inadmissible.
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tmc8080

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Floral Park, NY

public knowledge

the public knows (or should know) if service is deployed & available in a given town, therefore it is public knowledge. what isn't generally known is the isp's actual costs for backbone service or costs to deploy the network (believe me, the competition DOES KNOW how much it's competitors pay for backbone internet services, to roll a truck for a service call,etc) that's the whole idea of competition-- to get your costs lower than your competitor's.. so you make more profit.
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funny

Interesting that you can find tv station broadcast maps but it is insanely difficult to find anything like that for broadband deployments...

It's surprising how far reaching some of Cox's network is around here - and there are also smaller outfits who've run fiber to places I'd NEVER expect to have it... but it exists... and people are getting tv/phone/internet through it.

I have to agree w/TK Junk Mail on the source(s) of this article being questionable... It'd be nice if a transcript or some other verification were linked somewhere...

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Restricting development

I am surprised that some city or municipality hasn't filed a law suit against the broadband providers for restricting economic development by not providing expansion to undeveloped areas. More and more, people check out the broadband availability before they move to a certain area. Both residential and commercial customers are making that a prerequisite before they make a move. If expansion has not or will not be going into the area they want then the area will suffer development wise. If the broadband service providers were required to show current and future deployment, that could be used as a very strong economic development tool for assisting smaller communities to grow.

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Re: Restricting development

said by Mark910 See Profile :

I am surprised that some city or municipality hasn't filed a law suit against the broadband providers for restricting economic development by not providing expansion to undeveloped areas.
You just answered your own question right there. Anything outside of the city limits isn't the concern of the municipal authorities.

I'd speculate that the problems with rural broadband (at least on the cable side) are in part a side effect of the pattern of local franchises. A cable company may well build out within the geographical area of each franchise, but service may not extend outside the boundaries.

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Belvidere, NJ

All they have to do now...

Is release a statement that by not disclosing this data, they are protecting the nation's most precious resource: it's children.

They will then score a demagoguery hat trick.
MJRudzik

join:2002-01-13
Independence, MO

whatever

While I think the maps are unecessary how about this ... are Sprint Verizon and At&t making their wireless service a target for terrorism? At each of those you can walk in to a store or go online and see a map of where their Cell coverage is. This argument holds no water. I think there may be other reasons to not have the maps but this isnt it. I'm far more concerned that the maps will be made by the fcc who will light up an entire zip code every time a single address is served there.
goalieskates

join:2004-09-12
Knoxville, TN

Sheer idiocy

If the terrorists wanted to attack, they wouldn't have to do it here with all the outsourcing going on.

If they did do it here, I doubt Comcast would be their top target.

LameStuffman

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Hmmm

Whenever you wish to obsfucate, be sure to bring up 911 and proclaim that your secrecy is to "stop the terrorists." Another good tactic is "it's for the children." Both work every time on the gullible public.

The "terrorists" are the Emanuel Goldstein of the modern era.

Comcast is evoking the name of Emmanuel Goldstein in an attempt to stop competition at the micro level. Their biggest fear is that local municipalities will offer more affordable and faster broadband.

A flaw of logic from Comcast: the terrorists can figure out how to knock down the world's biggest towers, hit the most secure building in the world (the Pentagon) but by golly they can't figure out how to knock Comcast offline unless Comcast discloses a network map.

It makes me ill that Comcast invokes 911 in order to explain their lack of cooperation. Totally and completely out of line.

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Re: Hmmm

said by LameStuffman :

A flaw of logic from Comcast: the terrorists can figure out how to knock down the world's biggest towers, hit the most secure building in the world (the Pentagon) but by golly they can't figure out how to knock Comcast offline unless Comcast discloses a network map.
With NYC bombed to bedrock, with CNN in Atlanta sinking into the sea, and local TV stations all infected with anthrax -- thank God that Comcast had the foreknowledge to keep their locations a secret. By God, the terrorists aren't going to keep me from watching South Park reruns on my Comcast OnDemand(TM) service!

PS: Is Brian Roberts going to report the headlines on G4 or Versus? I know, let's have David Cohen predict the weather! He's perfect for that job!!
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9/11 has officially replaced Godwin's Law for the decade

Except, perhaps, for the people that read DSLReports -- or for the people that know that Usenet still has more than just binary files on it -- my headline won't mean much to you.

Godwin's Law: "if you mention Hitler or Nazis in a post, you've automatically ended whatever discussion you were taking part in"

I really don't see explicit examples of Godwin's Law, anymore. Perhaps we shall call it the "9/11 Amendment to Godwin's Law" -- as the effect is the same, only the metaphor has changed.

Both work for the very same reason,

a. "9/11 is the Golden Reason, and alone stands as reason enough. No other reason ascends above 9/11. No decent person rejects it. It is a reason unto itself, completely impervious to examination."

b. "Naziism is the Golden Reason, and alone stands as reason enough. No other reason ascends above Naziism. No decent person rejects it. It is a reason unto itself, completely impervious to examination."

Like the Hitler metaphor in Godwin's Law, invoking 9/11 is a discussion-ender.

There are other similarities. In the lead over a dozen-over Presidential hopefuls, Rudy Giuliani invoked 9/11 repeatedly in last-2007 campaign appearances. Within four months, he slipped from first place to out of the race. Perhaps the first, or at least best, example of what shall be known as the "FIFTY 9/11 POST" concept.
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Re: 9/11 has officially replaced Godwin's Law for the decade

I am glad someone else knows about Godwin's Law.

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Isn't there a similar corollary to Godwin's Law that applies if someone mentions Godwin's Law itself?
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Re: 9/11 has officially replaced Godwin's Law for the decade

There is, but if memory serves, it has something to do with trying to steer an unwitting debator into invoking it.
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