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antarctica | Re: Won't catch me No it isnt! You guys stole it fair and square. | |
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| Re: Won't catch me Yea, but we've given it back in the last 50 years or so, along with California, and Arizona. If you don't believe me, just look at the collapsing schools, hospitals, and economies. Oh, yea, you can look at the census too.
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| Good luck This is great! We're about to see a new age of encryption, and P2P strength. It's gonna be great, and best of all here in the US, we'll benefit from this new robustness without any interruption to my file sharing.
Sweet!!!!
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TK Junk Mail
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| Re: Good luck said by Rexter  :This is great! We're about to see a new age of encryption, and P2P strength. It's gonna be great, and best of all here in the US, we'll benefit from this new robustness without any interruption to my file sharing. Sweet!!!! Keep living in your dream world. Encryption won't prevent detection of P2P use. And WHERE your data is going to & coming from will allow detection as easily as WHAT is being transmitted. So, if laws are passed allowing ISPs to boot you, like they have in France and will soon in the UK & Sweden. Or if ISPs voluntarily agree due to political pressures like in Japan, even in the absence of laws, they will eventually throttle copyright infringing activities.
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cloud 9 | Re: Good luck People have been talking like you for over 10 years. Eventually this..... Eventually that...... bla bla bla.....Who is living in a dream? | |
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| Junk mail offers JUNK ADVICE again. Japan is the top technological nation with home 100mbit and gigabits being common place. Do you for one minute believe the ISPS will be able to stop piracy here? Unless users are capped, it's a pipe dream to think someone with this throughput doesn't have any other means that p2p itself. | |
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Surfinusa
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join:2001-02-08
| Eventually they will make a fix to the hole in the system I am sure of it. But when? That is the question. Until then I don't see pirates stop downloading and sharing illegal ( according to local laws) and I don't see them stop developing new ways to circumvent the new anti-piracy measures ISP's and RIAA will start implementing.
It's a never ending battle and as long as people Pirate they won't stop trying to beat the system.
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Mashiki
Balking The Enemy's Plans
join:2002-02-04
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·Rogers Hi-Speed
| said by TK Junk Mail :Keep living in your dream world. Encryption won't prevent detection of P2P use. And WHERE your data is going to & coming from will allow detection as easily as WHAT is being transmitted. So, if laws are passed allowing ISPs to boot you, like they have in France and will soon in the UK & Sweden. Or if ISPs voluntarily agree due to political pressures like in Japan, even in the absence of laws, they will eventually throttle copyright infringing activities. Encrypted networks are in use all over Japan now, Universities and business being the main source at the moment. It doesn't matter if you know where a packet is going to or from or what it looks like. Since p2p is used in business in Japan too to transfer well nearly everything as well. I expect this to expand all-be-it slowly.
While people rollover generally for corporations in Japan, weird things can happen if you start tinkering with their technology. | |
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| And your point is??? P2P is not illegal. Finding out where your data goes and comes from will not allow detection of pirated material. It will only tell you where that computer connected. Any more information would be circumstantial and if you go down that line of reasoning you're begging the question and likely commiting several other logical fallacies... Basically, you're making way too many leaps. Witch hunt much? | |
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swhx7
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| said by TK Junk Mail :Encryption won't prevent detection of P2P use.
Correct. But not all p2p is copyright infringement.
said by TK Junk Mail :And WHERE your data is going to & coming from will allow detection as easily as WHAT is being transmitted.
Whoa! Hold on a minute there. You've already detected that the customer is using p2p, but not whether it is illegal. Now you're saying that by additionally considering the traffic destination, you can tell whether it's copyright infringement or not?
How?
The destination of traffic doesn't confirm copyright infringement unless you've proved that everything at that destination is infringing. | |
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C0deZer0
Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
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| Re: Good luck said by supergirl :I'm sure the Japanese will get around encryption. Considering all the shit they invented in the last twenty to thirty years, beating encryption would be nothing to them.  | |
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| said by TK Junk Mail :Encryption won't prevent detection of P2P use. And WHERE your data is going to & coming from will allow detection as easily as WHAT is being transmitted. You are HALF correct... Encryption will not hide traffic flows. Even encrypted P2P traffic looks like unencrypted P2P traffic. Anyone with access to something like Cisco's NetFlow tools can easily spot P2P traffic.
You are incorrect in asserting that seeing the traffic flow will allow you to know "WHAT is being transmitted." Unless the encryption is crap and easily cracked, you won't be able to examine the contents of the packets and won't be able to know what is being shared. | |
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TK Junk Mail
Go ahead, make my day
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| Re: Good luck said by factchecker :said by TK Junk Mail :Encryption won't prevent detection of P2P use. And WHERE your data is going to & coming from will allow detection as easily as WHAT is being transmitted. You are HALF correct... Encryption will not hide traffic flows. Even encrypted P2P traffic looks like unencrypted P2P traffic. Anyone with access to something like Cisco's NetFlow tools can easily spot P2P traffic. You are incorrect in asserting that seeing the traffic flow will allow you to know "WHAT is being transmitted." Unless the encryption is crap and easily cracked, you won't be able to examine the contents of the packets and won't be able to know what is being shared. You misread my statement. I didn't say they would see WHAT was being transmitted - just WHERE. Implied is that WHAT was being transmitted was seen when unencrypted.
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| Re: Good luck said by TK Junk Mail :You misread my statement. I didn't say they would see WHAT was being transmitted - just WHERE. Implied is that WHAT was being transmitted was seen when unencrypted. Thanks for the clarification. In that case you are correct. | |
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| said by Rexter :This is great! We're about to see a new age of encryption, and P2P strength. It's gonna be great, and best of all here in the US, we'll benefit from this new robustness without any interruption to my file sharing. Sweet!!!! So you admit to being a theif? nice. Great morals you have. Any reason why you can't pay for your content? Even at minimum wage it's possible to do so. | |
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| Re: Good luck said by Rexter :Thanks for the assumption. You can go now. well if you're not stealing then there is no need to brag that one can get around any filters. Since the filters are there to ctach the thieves, why should it worry you to get around them if you are not doing anything illegal? Hmmmmmm.
Sorry but if someone brags about being able to get around a drug test then I am going to assume they are doing drugs. | |
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YeeHaw
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| Re: Good luck Well you know what they say about ASSumptions, which I think applies well here. You are mixing issues. Stealing, and illegal are not the same thing. Refusing to comply with a set of rules that are designed by, and tilted in someone else's self-perceived favor is not stealing. Here is why I say this. Lets take two situations. #1 I download a movie, and watch it. #2 I Tivo a movie from Network TV, and watch it. Neither scenario places in, or takes money out of the studios pocket. Frankly they hate the idea of either one of these two scenarios. If they had they're way, I have to pay for it if I even thought of watching the movie. But the fact is that one of these methods happens to fit under the current rule of Copyright law, and the other doesn't. Frankly I don't give a rats ass, and have no moral issue, because neither of these actions are stealing.
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| said by BF69 :said by Rexter :This is great! We're about to see a new age of encryption, and P2P strength. It's gonna be great, and best of all here in the US, we'll benefit from this new robustness without any interruption to my file sharing. Sweet!!!! So you admit to being a theif? nice. Great morals you have. Any reason why you can't pay for your content? Even at minimum wage it's possible to do so. I'd like to live where you are if your minimum wage allows you to put aside money for entertainment. | |
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| Re: Good luck said by Sean :said by BF69 :said by Rexter :This is great! We're about to see a new age of encryption, and P2P strength. It's gonna be great, and best of all here in the US, we'll benefit from this new robustness without any interruption to my file sharing. Sweet!!!! So you admit to being a theif? nice. Great morals you have. Any reason why you can't pay for your content? Even at minimum wage it's possible to do so. I'd like to live where you are if your minimum wage allows you to put aside money for entertainment. X2
Hell I'm having trouble making 10x as much as Indiana's minimum wage.
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Lake Zurich, IL | Re: Good luck If you're having trouble getting by on $50-60 per hour, you either need to work more hours or seriously re-evaluate your lifestyle. | |
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Legit piracy, dont make me laugh
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| Cat and mouse ala blue box/ phone hackers There goes the whole fan translation business. I wonder how exactly the technology will work. Also will some one have to actually look through the petabytes of data that stream through P2P? Then they have to prove that such data is illegal through a court before any action or strike can be put against a single person. I am quite sure that the first person to get nailed on one of these laws will have a few top rated layers flock to the case for both sides much like wiki leaks situation(even though they are completely different).
Its just going to turn into a cat and mouse game since before anyone gets the plug pulled they still have to prove the data is pirated and not the latest version of your preferred flavor of linux.
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| Re: Cat and mouse ala blue box/ phone hackers You may be assuming too much about how this kind of law may be implemented in Japan.
But you're onto the right issue: what are the standards or proof, and what protections will there be from harm based on false accusations?
The original article ( »www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/20···1305.htm ) says that the accusations will come from copyright holders, and that the ISPs will form a group to decide how to implement the proposal. But the last paragraph calls into doubt whether proof of infringement will be required at all - it reads as if a mere accusation by the big coyright holder groups will cause the citizen to be denied internet access. | |
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| The end of ISP's in Japan Very simple
BT=High Bandwith=Big money
Regular interner use=Low bandwith=Low money
That means that most people will go from their 16mb profile at $50-$60 to a regular 1mb profile at $5 a month, multilply that by the thousand for each ISP's and they all either gonna fold or embrace P2P technology.
THEY CAN'T AVOID FILESHARING they have to live with it.
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| Re: The end of ISP's in Japan said by TI POIL :Very simple BT=High Bandwith=Big money Regular interner use=Low bandwith=Low money That means that most people will go from their 16mb profile at $50-$60 to a regular 1mb profile at $5 a month, multilply that by the thousand for each ISP's and they all either gonna fold or embrace P2P technology. THEY CAN'T AVOID FILESHARING they have to live with it. True, its the demand that makes the ISP's offer higher tiers of service due to P2P and Pictures and MP3, DVD, You Tube.
Without the demand most users can live with a 1.5mbs connect. | |
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| said by TI POIL :Very simple BT=High Bandwith=Big money Regular interner use=Low bandwith=Low money That means that most people will go from their 16mb profile at $50-$60 to a regular 1mb profile at $5 a month, multilply that by the thousand for each ISP's and they all either gonna fold or embrace P2P technology. THEY CAN'T AVOID FILESHARING they have to live with it. You are so ingorant on things work it isn't even funny. ISPs don't make money by their subscibers using MORE bandwidth. Thye make money by them using LESS. Show me an ISP who average user uses 5 GB a month and another one whose average user uses 100 GB a month and I can tell you that the first one make TONS more money. | |
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join:2001-11-29 | *SHRUG* Not my country, not my problem.
Now, if we conquer them again like we did in WW2 and make them into a satrapy, sure, I'll care.
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USA | Re: *SHRUG* Heaven forbid we care about something that's going on in the WORLD. You know, being aware of something that could come bite you in the a**... Kind of like, WWII... And I'm sure WE didn't do anything in WW2 unless you're approaching 100... | |
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| Re: *SHRUG* said by jjeffeory :Heaven forbid we care about something that's going on in the WORLD. You know, being aware of something that could come bite you in the a**... Kind of like, WWII... And I'm sure WE didn't do anything in WW2 unless you're approaching 100... Historically, WW2 only affected us because Japan decided to go for Pearl Harbor. That's it. We were happy to do economic deals with the Nazis and the Italian Fascists - read up on FDR's admiration for Mussolini sometime. They weren't doing anything in what we consider our backyard - the Americas. Nor were we interested in what the Japanese were doing before they decided our Pacific territories were tasty. So long as we were left alone, Japan and their allies could do whatever the hell they wanted.
Why should it be any different now? Defend the Americas and let all else go hang; so long as they don't come looking for a fight, I don't see why we should go picking one. | |
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| Their product is overpriced garbage When will the RIAA just wake up and realize they have garbage for a product, the price is over rated and sales are down for one reason. No one wants to buy the garbage? I love all these quotes how much they are losing when they can't even put a finger on the exact amount being downloaded. | |
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Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
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| Re: Their product is overpriced garbage said by rid0617 :When will the RIAA just wake up and realize they have garbage for a product, the price is over rated and sales are down for one reason. No one wants to buy the garbage? I love all these quotes how much they are losing when they can't even put a finger on the exact amount being downloaded. Just look at the significant ramp-up in the number of one-hit wonders that RIAA labels have now compared to even five years ago, much less ten or more years ago.
Much like Hollywood, RIAA is shit scared of trying anything actually brand new, so what do they do? Take someone that looks mildly attractive and wrote a few words together on a cocktail napkin, airbrush the hell out of their photos and resample the hell out of their voice samples to prefabricated loops, and you have something your 12-year-old spoiled brats go positively nuts for, driving their parents insane until they purchase them that $25 music CD that's rootkitted to hell and back.
Then once the hit's over, the "artist" in this case now realizes that the contract was for about half a dozen of these. If they're smart (and few are), they then choose to put out remixes of their work that are an attempt to sound like original, new works, and thus a new album. Repeat ad nauseum. | |
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ZeroZ
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| Virtual Network Technology People can always use software to set up VLANs(Virtual Local Area Network) over the internet. People aren't directly connected(physically) but that are considered to be connected. It bypasses firewalls and other protection software on both sides. So it doesn't matter if you physically block people because they can virtually connect and still transfer. | |
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Your Freedom Fries Are Stale
join:2003-09-29
Santa Clara, CA
| agreement? The only question I have for this agreement is "how much did it cost?".
Anyways, as others mentioned in regards to encryption, it works just fine in Japan. I also know I can rely on the same two or three pundits to spew pro-**AA garbage, and it's like watching a cheerleader. At least put on the dress and take out the pom-poms so I can either look up your dress or point and laugh. | |
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| This is how it starts Scare people in to not using something they are paying for with FUD. out standing! Now you have users whom don't know right from wrong and would rather not deal with it at all and walk away from that carrier or hell even the computer..
What's the use of searching the net if something you can do over the link could get you jail time.
This is only the start of Censoring on the Internet.
Soon we'll only be allowed to visit sites approved by the government.
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| Interesting Start It's an interesting idea and the way ISPs plan on doing it allows them to steer clear of any allegations that they are "spying" on customers. All that happens is that content makers tell the ISPs who are downloading pirated content (information they get from looking at download queues for copyrighted material) and then ISPs take action. I mean it's a good way to go about it. P2P does take a toll on networks, especially small ISPs and ISPs that provide service to rural areas. Here are some slides that Brett Glass, owner if Lariat, an ISP serving Laramie, WY and what he had to say about P2P.
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