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2 edits |  15 customers is hardly a good test
Since the city installed fiber and started testing BPL the local cable and phone operators upgraded their systems and cut service rates, he said. »princeton-il.com/pdf/budget2005.pdf
Municipal Utilities Budget in the amount of $12,462,962 (including $3,855,342 in capital expenditures)...
The Utilities Budget, which consists of the water, sewer, and electric operations,includes funding for several large capital projects including the new 1.5 million gallon water tower, the 12-mile fiber-optic backbone, and an update of the City’s comprehensive sanitary sewer plan.
Now that the cable and telco have dropped prices, the muni BPL may never get the # of customers they need to pay off the capital expenditures for the BPL system.
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clubs: | Re: 15 customers is hardly a good test I had to chuckle when I read that quote ... only 15 testers? | |
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: 15 customers is hardly a good test I would say if its successful the electric company will make revenue out of it . | |
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Glen Burnie, MD | Re: BPL rollout data map in U.S. And how old is that map?
How many of those "trials" have been shut down?  | |
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Burlington, CT
| Re: BPL rollout data map in U.S. A number of them, actually, although UPLC has removed a few of the shut down systems from its map.
A more complete description of the status of various on-line and failed BPL trials is at:
»www.arrl.org/~ehare/bpl/ex2.html
I am in the process of updating the Status: lines in the entries, so look to the table for the current status of the system.
Many of the reported BPL systems were not entered into the UPLC database, so it looks as if the map is more hope than reality.
Ed Hare, ARRL Lab
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Glen Burnie, MD | Re: BPL rollout data map in U.S. Thanks Ed. I was hoping you would chime in.
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oliphant
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1 edit | said by GOLFnSUN  :The electric company spokesman is happy that a 15 person test proves his BPL service is ready for deployment. It will be interesting to see if that evaluation holds up when the number of subscribers starts getting into the thousands - if it does indeed get that many people to sign on. Especially since the competitors have dropped their prices:» www.chicagotribune.com/business/···ness-hedSince the city installed fiber and started testing BPL the local cable and phone operators upgraded their systems and cut service rates, he said. » princeton-il.com/pdf/budget2005.pdf Municipal Utilities Budget in the amount of $12,462,962 (including $3,855,342 in capital expenditures)...
The Utilities Budget, which consists of the water, sewer, and electric operations,includes funding for several large capital projects including the new 1.5 million gallon water tower, the 12-mile fiber-optic backbone, and an update of the City’s comprehensive sanitary sewer plan.
Now that the cable and telco have dropped prices, the muni BPL may never get the # of customers they need to pay off the capital expenditures for the BPL system. Which is why this type of predatory pricing these competitors engage in is illegal...not like anything will ever happen to them though.
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1 edit | Why is the cemetery operating at a $190,175 per year loss?
Why does the city provide cemetery services? Can't this function be provided by private industry?
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LilYoda
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Mountains | Re: 15 customers is hardly a good test What about families that can't afford what a private industry charges for burying you? Or if you're the last one in your family and you got no money left? Society would have to find a place to put those bodies in the ground, no? | |
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John Galt
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| Re: 15 customers is hardly a good test said by LilYoda :What about families that can't afford what a private industry charges for burying you? Or if you're the last one in your family and you got no money left? Society would have to find a place to put those bodies in the ground, no? Hmmmm...none of those reasons is sufficient to incur a $190k loss...right?
They could pay a private owner on a per-case basis...
This is a town with a population of just over 7,000...how many people die here each year?
I realize that this is OT but it just struck me as odd when I looked at the budget...
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| Re: 15 customers is hardly a good test said by John Galt :I realize that this is OT but it just struck me as odd when I looked at the budget... It's a microcosm of the state and federal budgets. Municipalities have pork too! | |
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LilYoda
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| said by John Galt :Hmmmm...none of those reasons is sufficient to incur a $190k loss...right? Probably not. Was more responding to your question about why the local government was getting involved instead of a private company | |
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BPLSUCKS
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One thing I have never understood is why the power companies just don't run fiber along their transmission lines and run it into homes. That would make the telco's tremble in their boots/italian shoes. | |
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dvd536
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| Re: Interfearence free? said by BPLSUCKS :
One thing I have never understood is why the power companies just don't run fiber along their transmission lines and run it into homes. Ever sit a power supply brick near the phone line attached to your dial up modem? The interference from the power line would be bad to run fibre along the lines. theres a reason why this isnt done and it isnt a money factor.
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| Re: Interfearence free? said by dvd536 :Ever sit a power supply brick near the phone line attached to your dial up modem? The interference from the power line would be bad to run fibre along the lines. theres a reason why this isnt done and it isnt a money factor. Yeah...OK.
No fiber for you...!!
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Beverly Hills, CA | Re: Interfearence free? fiber optics is a different phenomenon than electromagnetism. maybe the repeaters or amplifiers, being electromagnetic devices, would be affected, but shouldn't the optic signals in the fiber be unaffected by any electromagnetic interference? | |
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dancy70
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1 edit | About the only system I have read about that does not interfere is produced by Motorola and is/has been tested at ARRL HQ (American Radio Relay League) in Newington, CT. Any other system has generated serious interference in the HF and lower VHF bands. The ARRL has, with others, put enough pressure on other communities to terminate their tests.
»www.arrl.org/news/stories/2005/08/29/1/ So, if it is not this system, then the short answer to your question is "probably not"
A Google search or a search from »www.arrl.org on "bpl test arrl" returns many articles on the subject. | |
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batageek
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| As I've asked before, my question is specific to BPL technology, or delivering the last mile over powerline. Sure the backbone is fiber, but the most I've seen offered anywhere via BPL (again correct me if I'm wrong) is about 6 meg down. If 802.11b already exceeds that right now, why would an investment in BPL make sense at all? I'm sure the utility would find wifi "drops" cheaper than all the gear necessary to make a BPL drop to a home, even if they over built the system and had a one-to-one drop requirement (one home gets a direct dedicated point to point wireless or BPL connection).
I'd like to be supportive, but I don't get it.
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Milwaukee, WI | Speeds? What kind of speeds can you get from this? | |
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dvd536
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| said by Folic :What kind of speeds can you get from this? Under optimal conditions 512/128
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Milwaukee, WI | Re: Speeds? How is it worth it then? | |
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| BSMOG is a better idea! Eh, I like my idea of broadband over smog or maybe even methane better cause it's much better for the environment!  Flubber optics still works better in my book though!
broadband over subspace kicks fios's arse anyday!
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| Re: BSMOG is a better idea! said by Endgame :broadband over subspace kicks fios's arse anyday! Last time I checked, that's 60 times the speed of light!
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join:2005-01-01 | Re: BSMOG is a better idea! Sure, but that can't beat broadband over entangled quantum particles. The data gets there even before you send it!
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richk_1957
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| Re: BSMOG is a better idea! said by asdjf :broadband over entangled quantum particles Well, there's broadband over power lines [BPL]
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Broadband in gas [BIG}
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: BSMOG is a better idea! lets try a focused tachyon burst.
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| Re: BSMOG is a better idea! It's broadband over Christmas lights now cause my dsl modem is bypassed like a christmas tree! Just thought of a new one that is great and will be going in my sig right now!
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moonpuppy
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| No mention of what type of BPL..... There is no mention of who is the manufacturer of the BPL equipment. If this is the Corridor system, then the interference problem should be minimized. If this is the Ambient system, then the problems will mount up.
Also, 15 people a successful trial?!?!?!? I could run an ISP for 15 people with a couple of servers and a T1 line. They better have more equipment and excuses ready when the latency and traffic get bad for the customers. | |
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