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 |  richdelbGo Hawks GoPremium join:2003-01-22 Algonquin, IL | Re: Not suprised one bit said by John McClane:The State here in Illinois is bought and paid for. And not by the taxpayers. Yep. 150% Yep. | |
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| said by danball1976:said by richdelb:said by John McClane:The State here in Illinois is bought and paid for. And not by the taxpayers. Yep. 150% Yep. And its the same state that Obama came from. where are you from? looks like the same state that bush is from. hmmm -- sbcglobal.net speedtest result 11/11/09 - 5256kbps | |
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| said by John McClane:The State here in Illinois is bought and paid for. And not by the taxpayers. LMAO, could of not said it better myself. I wonder how much Quinn will get since he will hopefully be jobless after the next election. Oh well, bring on the next crook. | |
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This so called Frontier will have to keep up with a strict code is crap. And what happens when they don't. I get screwed and I won't be able to do anything about it.
Yes I will get screwed cause I live in a trailer court that won't let Comcast in the park and all we have is Verizon or MTCO and the problem is MTCO uses the same dsl lines as Verizon.
Thanks to all the corrupt politicians that take contributions bribes. Now how come we have to have elections every two years for these clowns. Why can't we get something set up that says when 60 percent of the voters in the state,county or city is unhappy with the elected politicians then they can have a new election. | |
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Just a quick search on 3G speed. »www.mobilein.com/3G.htm
That's an alternative? | |
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| Re: Not suprised one bit Uh now.
3g is broadband it is above the 768k that the FCC defines as broadband. and ugh, its better than nothing. But then again you just wanna complain about a merger that you can't do anything about because of "options" not being what you want. If you want more "options" move to get that HSI that you want. -- www.twopugsbrand.com Kosher, Vegan, and Organic Certified Dog and Cat treats/foods and other products! | |
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Always the answer is move if you don't have true competition. Some people live where they live cause they can't afford somewhere else, Some people live where they live cause they like it there. There are reasons why some people don't move that I'm sure I can't think of.
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| Re: Not suprised one bit that is not my issue that you can not afford the place you live in. If you can not afford your home you should not be living there, instead you should find a place that is within your budget so you have money for internet and other entertainment wants. -- www.twopugsbrand.com Kosher, Vegan, and Organic Certified Dog and Cat treats/foods and other products! | |
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| said by hottboiinnc:Uh now. 3g is broadband it is above the 768k that the FCC defines as broadband. and ugh, its better than nothing. But then again you just wanna complain about a merger that you can't do anything about because of "options" not being what you want. If you want more "options" move to get that HSI that you want. Here in Evanston, my t-mobile 3g is between 1.5Mbps and 3Mbps. it definitely is broadband. -- sbcglobal.net speedtest result 11/11/09 - 5256kbps | |
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 guppy_fishPremium join:2003-12-09 Lakeland, FL kudos:1 | WV next Despite all the noise about the unions holding this off, WV will fall inline and the deal will be done. United States of Corporations continues | |
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 spivver join:2007-07-15 Manchester, NH | At the end of the day, it's probably a good deal It's obvious the end game is not to try to survive, but rather spin off the rural parts of Verizon, get rid of the debt via bankruptcy, and then after that's all cleared up, the cash flow becomes available to invest in rural broadband. As sneaky and underhanded as that is, not to mention a blatant abuse of bankruptcy, at the end of the day it's probably going to be rather effective. Only time will tell, of course. | |
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| Re: At the end of the day, it's probably a good deal said by spivver:It's obvious the end game is not to try to survive, but rather spin off the rural parts of Verizon, get rid of the debt via bankruptcy, and then after that's all cleared up, the cash flow becomes available to invest in rural broadband. You're correct right up to the "the cash flow becomes available..." part. How does Frontier expect to make wheat from Verizon's chaff? | |
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| Re: At the end of the day, it's probably a good deal when they file bankruptcy the debt goes away-well most of it. they'll come out a head and go on as planned.
but why are people on here saying Frontier will fall just as the other two?
For one, HI Telcom was bought by a private investment company. What happened to them investing in what they bought? Also Fairpoint is much much smaller than Frontier. -- www.twopugsbrand.com Kosher, Vegan, and Organic Certified Dog and Cat treats/foods and other products! | |
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When you no longer have massive debt payments, that frees up that cash to spend on investment activity. Bankruptcy restructures or even gets rid of completely that debt to reduce or eliminate the payments. | |
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| Re: At the end of the day, it's probably a good deal said by spivver:When you no longer have massive debt payments, that frees up that cash to spend on investment activity. Bankruptcy restructures or even gets rid of completely that debt to reduce or eliminate the payments. Yes I'm well aware of how bankruptcy can help out...in theory.
Take the whole debt thing out of the picture. Why is the real reason Verizon wants to get rid of the "rural" markets? It's either not profitable, or at least not as profitable as they want. Verizon doesn't want to subsidize their western territories with their more profitable eastern ones. They know that they need to invest a ton of money in a VERY LARGE area and they don't want to shell out that cash long term.
If Verizon doesn't want the territory because it basically costs them money, how is Frontier suppose to make it work? Frontier doesn't have customer bases like Verizon's east cost, Texas, or California operations that they can pull operating funds from to help balance the cash flow. They may be able to operated existing infrastructure, but do you REALLY think that they will have the capital to expand services to it's new "rural" customers? If they can't do it now for all of their existing customers, how are they going to do it when their customer base more then doubles and footprint I believe triples? | |
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| Re: At the end of the day, it's probably a good deal Don't forget the 2000 merger(of Bell Atlantic and GTE) that established Verizon!
Verizon is, in effect, now cherry picking among the old GTE territory. They're keeping Southern California, Texas, and Florida. Then discarding the rest in this Frontier deal.
Good point on your last paragraph about the $, similar point made by the Illinois Adm Law Judge in her finding. Frontier's bond ratings are considered junk bond status. Verizon bond ratings much better. Frontier's stock dividend yield is 12.7%. In current environment, that is not sustainable. | |
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VZs Hawaii properties were sold to a private equity firm (Carlyle Group) they effectively went for 0 telco customers to thousands.
Fairpoint was a tiny telco with thousands of customers, they grew to a small with millions of customers after the aquisition.
Frontier is a smallish telco with millions of customers, and will be staying in the millions of customers range after getting the VZ lines. | |
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| Re: deal is somewhat different Frontier has roughly 2.3 million customers, and they'll be adding 4.8 million new residential and small-business phone lines and 1 million broadband connections. That's still pretty huge proportional growth and a big and sudden additional support load for a company that already isn't exactly blistering along in terms of network upgrades.
I don't think Frontier will collapse like the others, but I imagine the deal will just further hinder expansion and involve them struggling to manage support loads for some time. | |
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2 edits | From Illinois newspaper.... "As a condition of the sale, Frontier Communications Corporation would have to eventually satisfy strict service quality and broadband Internet requirements. Frontier still needs some approvals nationally before it can buy Verizon's lines. If they do, the move will affect customers in Bloomington, Carbondale, and dozens of small towns across the state. . . . . The commission approved the deal on a 5-0 vote."
"In approving the sale, the Commerce Commission disagreed with a judge's recommendation to reject it. Commission Chair Manuel Flores said the commission will ask for regular updates about service quality from Frontier if the deal eventually goes through. "This merger will test the managerial skills of Frontier," Flores said. "
source is Bloomington Pantagraph »www.pantagraph.com/business/loca···2e0.html
Mr. Flores, I think you've got part of it right. But, it's NOT a merger!!! It's a sale! | |
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| Re: From Illinois newspaper.... Thanks for finding that article, I'll send the link to my dad.
He lives in a tiny town which is directly effected by this (Mansfield, IL). They've had some issues with with Verizon's POTS over the years (forget DSL, it's not available), but they use and are happy with VZ's cell service.
It's a stretch to call it broadband now, but they use and have been happy with a local WISP- which I'm sure backhauls to one or two VZ T1's located in Verizon's storage shed sized CO in town. As long as Frontier doesn't muck up the WISP's access, I doubt they'll notice any difference. -- Jeff Howe Jeff's Blog - »www.ostjournal.net | |
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When they do cave a large piece of what is left of my West Virginia pride will be destroyed.
Come on Manchin, prove me wrong. Do something none of your predecessors could ever do, turn down a bribe. | |
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Verizon's pricing is already too high and Frontier will have no choice but to raise prices even higher just to break even, which in turn will push more people toward cable company phone service and HSI. For what Verizon charges for basic phone service with no long distance or features, anyone in this area could get Charter phone service with unlimited long distance and every available feature. Even unlimited cell phone voice service is now cheaper than Verizon's basic no frills land line service. No wonder people are dropping land lines by the thousands every year. I just don't understand how Frontier believes they can ever turn a profit from land lines since it seems to be a dying business model. | |
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2 edits | I wonder .... ... just how long it will be before Pat Quinn joins the other past Illinois governors on "governor's row" in the state pen?
Fortunatly (?) my area of the state is serviced by AT&T. -- Learn from the past and look to the future. | |
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| Re: what a surprise said by Kommie:Yet we chose the government we elect these idiots. Its time to stop voting Democrat or Republican. said by George Bernard Shaw : Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve.
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| said by linicx:. We should have had a 3 party system a long time ago. It is long overdue. Perhaps the solution to the partisan politics problem is to do away with parties altogether. -- RIP my babies Buttons 1/15/94-2/9/07, Beamer 7/24/08, & Bows 12/17/94-10/11/09 | |
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| Re: It can always be worse. Maybe, but another idea is to do away with the 2 for 1 vote in national elections. I think its okay to have a Prez from one party and the Vice Prez from the other. I've seen it work quite well in a couple of states I lived in. I think the idea that a party platform is handed down from god is absurd.
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The decision flies in the face of a very strong recommendation to deny the sale made by Illinois Administrative Law Judge Lisa M. Tapia. In a March 9 proposed order on the Verizon-Frontier application, Tapia wrote: "the proposed reorganization will diminish Frontier's ability to provide adequate, reliable, efficient, safe and least-cost public utility service; and will significantly impair Frontier's ability to raise necessary capital on reasonable terms and to maintain a reasonable capital structure
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"We have been concerned from the beginning about the impact of this proposed merger on Frontier's financial stability given the enormous debt that it would incur," said Ron Kastner, Business Manager of Local 21, the largest IBEW telecom union in Illinois. "We are deeply disappointed that the ICC has made a ruling that contradicts the judge's recommendation."
The ICC decision means that only regulators at the West Virginia Public Service Commission (PSC) and the Federal Communications Commission have the power to stop approval of the deal.
"This is discouraging news to everyone concerned about the future of telecommunications in rural America," said Ron Collins, Vice President for CWA's District Two who has been leading the campaign against the sale in West Virginia. "We are not stopping our fight against this deal. Verizon's landlines in West Virginia cover virtually the entire state and it is the former Bell System carrier. Because of Frontier's financial weakness, the entire state of West Virginia would be affected if this deal were to close. That is very different than Verizon's and Frontier's relatively small presence in the states that have approved the transaction so far."
Union intervenors may have more comments on the ICC decision after the written order is made public.
More information about why citizens are mobilizing to stop the Verizon sale to Frontier is at: www.verizonfrontierdeal.org. For information about ending the digital divide visit: www.speedmatters.org. | |
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Verizon can now run FiOS to the rest of civilized New Jersey. | |
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