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Illinois Ignores Judge Warnings, Approves Verizon/Frontier Deal
Governor gets personally involved to make sure deal goes through...
by Karl Bode Wednesday 21-Apr-2010 tags: dsl · competition · Op/Ed · consumers
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As of last Monday, Verizon and Frontier really only needed regulatory approval from the FCC, Illinois and West Virginia to move forward on their $8.5 billion transfer of millions of DSL and landline customers from Verizon to Frontier across fourteen states. Across every state, consumer advocates have warned that Frontier will be taking on so much debt from the deal that they may struggle with support -- much less actually upgrading the network. State regulators continue to approve the deal anyway.

But opposition has been particularly fierce by unions and consumer advocates in West Virginia and Illinois. In West Virginia, unions have taken aim at the financial tricks Verizon uses to offload these networks tax free, obviously concerned that the Frontier deal will result in collapse, just like similar Verizon deals with Hawaiian Telcom and Fairpoint. In Illinois, a Judge recently issued a lengthy study highlighting how the deal was really only good for Verizon, and would "diminish Frontier’s ability to perform its duties to provide adequate, reliable, efficient, safe and least-cost public utility service."

But Verizon lobbyists are powerful and deep-pocketed, and last week the company managed to get the Governor of Illinois, Pat Quinn, to personally repeat telco talking points about the benefits of the deal in order to grease the regulatory approval process. Not too surprisingly, Quinn completely contradicted the findings of earlier state studies, telling state regulators the deal needed to move forward for the sake of jobs and broadband expansion:

To the extent that an expansion of Frontier’s footprint in Illinois represents potential job and broadband expansion opportunities, I urge the Commission to give a careful and comprehensive review of the Frontier acquisition. Especially in these economic times, we should promote and facilitate investments in technology and telecommunications progress that will create jobs in Illinois and will provide opportunities and access to our rural, low-income, and disadvantaged communities.

Except the study Quinn is completely ignoring found (and previous Verizon deals of this kind clearly highlight) that Frontier will be taking on so much debt from the transaction, real broadband expansion and network upgrades probably won't be coming any time soon. If "expansion represents job creation" as Quinn attests, Illinois won't be seeing much job growth from the deal.

It's not necessarily that the deal needs to be blocked (given Verizon has no interest in upgrading these markets), but there's an opportunity for some meaningful conditions -- assuming you could find any state regulator willing to enforce telecom merger conditions once created. Quinn could have helped by requiring that Verizon sell the state networks normally (thereby paying taxes and limiting Frontier's debt obligation), but that would require standing up to Verizon, which no politician is willing to do.

Meanwhile, Frontier has issued a statement saying they unsurprisingly agree with Quinn and announcing that Illinois regulators have unanimously approved the transaction. The only obstacles to the deal now are the state of West Virginia and the FCC, both of which shouldn't be too hard for Verizon to bull rush with a little elbow grease and a little extra lobbying cash. As for the 600,000 Illinois customers this deal impacts, hopefully they like the idea of $250 a month DSL.

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John McClane
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Not suprised one bit

The State here in Illinois is bought and paid for. And not by the taxpayers.
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Re: Not suprised one bit

said by John McClane:

The State here in Illinois is bought and paid for. And not by the taxpayers.
Yep. 150% Yep.
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Re: Not suprised one bit

neither am i.
money talks they say.
i talk to and i say SCrew you Asses

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said by richdelb:

said by John McClane:

The State here in Illinois is bought and paid for. And not by the taxpayers.
Yep. 150% Yep.
And its the same state that Obama came from.

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Re: Not suprised one bit

and not much different than any other state or Pres.

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said by danball1976:

said by richdelb:

said by John McClane:

The State here in Illinois is bought and paid for. And not by the taxpayers.
Yep. 150% Yep.
And its the same state that Obama came from.
where are you from? looks like the same state that bush is from. hmmm
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Agreed, its pretty obvious that money changed hands under the table here and bought this decision.

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said by John McClane:

The State here in Illinois is bought and paid for. And not by the taxpayers.
LMAO, could of not said it better myself. I wonder how much Quinn will get since he will hopefully be jobless after the next election. Oh well, bring on the next crook.
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Yep another one of our governors that is corrupt and willing to take a bribe.

This so called Frontier will have to keep up with a strict code is crap. And what happens when they don't. I get screwed and I won't be able to do anything about it.

Yes I will get screwed cause I live in a trailer court that won't let Comcast in the park and all we have is Verizon or MTCO and the problem is MTCO uses the same dsl lines as Verizon.

Thanks to all the corrupt politicians that take contributions bribes. Now how come we have to have elections every two years for these clowns. Why can't we get something set up that says when 60 percent of the voters in the state,county or city is unhappy with the elected politicians then they can have a new election.
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Re: Not suprised one bit

you can get 3G services. You're not stuck with VZ/Frontier.
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Re: Not suprised one bit

You are joking, right?
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Um 3G isn't broadband. I think you seen to many AT&T commercials.

Just a quick search on 3G speed. »www.mobilein.com/3G.htm

That's an alternative?
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Re: Not suprised one bit

Uh now.

3g is broadband it is above the 768k that the FCC defines as broadband. and ugh, its better than nothing. But then again you just wanna complain about a merger that you can't do anything about because of "options" not being what you want. If you want more "options" move to get that HSI that you want.
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Re: Not suprised one bit

Why do some user think the answer is move. I can barely afford where I live now. Now I'll tell you what, I'll move if you can find me a place around here that I can afford.

Always the answer is move if you don't have true competition. Some people live where they live cause they can't afford somewhere else, Some people live where they live cause they like it there. There are reasons why some people don't move that I'm sure I can't think of.

NO, The answer is not move.
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Re: Not suprised one bit

that is not my issue that you can not afford the place you live in. If you can not afford your home you should not be living there, instead you should find a place that is within your budget so you have money for internet and other entertainment wants.
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said by hottboiinnc:

Uh now.

3g is broadband it is above the 768k that the FCC defines as broadband. and ugh, its better than nothing. But then again you just wanna complain about a merger that you can't do anything about because of "options" not being what you want. If you want more "options" move to get that HSI that you want.
Here in Evanston, my t-mobile 3g is between 1.5Mbps and 3Mbps. it definitely is broadband.
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Re: Not suprised one bit

same here in Cleveland.
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It's obvious that money, hookers, and drugs went under the table to make sure it got approved. The legislatures and judges have simply become clients of the lobbyists, putting the interests of business way in front of the interests of taxpayers. How many taxpayers can slip a judge half a million in an offshore account?

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An Ohio consumer group originally panned the plan for Frontier then magically approved it as well and so did the state unfortunately. I need to write a email telling them how stupid they are...
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Remember, its the same state that Obama came from.
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WV next

Despite all the noise about the unions holding this off, WV will fall inline and the deal will be done. United States of Corporations continues
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At the end of the day, it's probably a good deal

It's obvious the end game is not to try to survive, but rather spin off the rural parts of Verizon, get rid of the debt via bankruptcy, and then after that's all cleared up, the cash flow becomes available to invest in rural broadband. As sneaky and underhanded as that is, not to mention a blatant abuse of bankruptcy, at the end of the day it's probably going to be rather effective. Only time will tell, of course.

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Re: At the end of the day, it's probably a good deal

said by spivver:

It's obvious the end game is not to try to survive, but rather spin off the rural parts of Verizon, get rid of the debt via bankruptcy, and then after that's all cleared up, the cash flow becomes available to invest in rural broadband.
You're correct right up to the "the cash flow becomes available..." part. How does Frontier expect to make wheat from Verizon's chaff?
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Re: At the end of the day, it's probably a good deal

when they file bankruptcy the debt goes away-well most of it. they'll come out a head and go on as planned.

but why are people on here saying Frontier will fall just as the other two?

For one, HI Telcom was bought by a private investment company. What happened to them investing in what they bought? Also Fairpoint is much much smaller than Frontier.
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You're correct right up to the "the cash flow becomes available..." part. How does Frontier expect to make wheat from Verizon's chaff?


When you no longer have massive debt payments, that frees up that cash to spend on investment activity. Bankruptcy restructures or even gets rid of completely that debt to reduce or eliminate the payments.

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Re: At the end of the day, it's probably a good deal

said by spivver:

When you no longer have massive debt payments, that frees up that cash to spend on investment activity. Bankruptcy restructures or even gets rid of completely that debt to reduce or eliminate the payments.
Yes I'm well aware of how bankruptcy can help out...in theory.

Take the whole debt thing out of the picture. Why is the real reason Verizon wants to get rid of the "rural" markets? It's either not profitable, or at least not as profitable as they want. Verizon doesn't want to subsidize their western territories with their more profitable eastern ones. They know that they need to invest a ton of money in a VERY LARGE area and they don't want to shell out that cash long term.

If Verizon doesn't want the territory because it basically costs them money, how is Frontier suppose to make it work? Frontier doesn't have customer bases like Verizon's east cost, Texas, or California operations that they can pull operating funds from to help balance the cash flow. They may be able to operated existing infrastructure, but do you REALLY think that they will have the capital to expand services to it's new "rural" customers? If they can't do it now for all of their existing customers, how are they going to do it when their customer base more then doubles and footprint I believe triples?
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Re: At the end of the day, it's probably a good deal

Don't forget the 2000 merger(of Bell Atlantic and GTE) that established Verizon!

Verizon is, in effect, now cherry picking among the old GTE territory. They're keeping Southern California, Texas, and Florida. Then discarding the rest in this Frontier deal.

Good point on your last paragraph about the $, similar point made by the Illinois Adm Law Judge in her finding. Frontier's bond ratings are considered junk bond status. Verizon bond ratings much better. Frontier's stock dividend yield is 12.7%. In current environment, that is not sustainable.

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deal is somewhat different

Only point I want to make is on the scale of the deals that have not gone as well:

VZs Hawaii properties were sold to a private equity firm (Carlyle Group) they effectively went for 0 telco customers to thousands.

Fairpoint was a tiny telco with thousands of customers, they grew to a small with millions of customers after the aquisition.

Frontier is a smallish telco with millions of customers, and will be staying in the millions of customers range after getting the VZ lines.

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Re: deal is somewhat different

Frontier has roughly 2.3 million customers, and they'll be adding 4.8 million new residential and small-business phone lines and 1 million broadband connections. That's still pretty huge proportional growth and a big and sudden additional support load for a company that already isn't exactly blistering along in terms of network upgrades.

I don't think Frontier will collapse like the others, but I imagine the deal will just further hinder expansion and involve them struggling to manage support loads for some time.

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Re: deal is somewhat different

I don't think it has anything to do with the debt load. Frontier isn't a "Upgrade the network to improve the service" kind of company to start.
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2 edits

From Illinois newspaper....

"As a condition of the sale, Frontier Communications Corporation would have to eventually satisfy strict service quality and broadband Internet requirements.
Frontier still needs some approvals nationally before it can buy Verizon's lines. If they do, the move will affect customers in Bloomington, Carbondale, and dozens of small towns across the state. . . . .
The commission approved the deal on a 5-0 vote."

"In approving the sale, the Commerce Commission disagreed with a judge's recommendation to reject it.
Commission Chair Manuel Flores said the commission will ask for regular updates about service quality from Frontier if the deal eventually goes through.
"This merger will test the managerial skills of Frontier," Flores said. "

source is Bloomington Pantagraph
»www.pantagraph.com/business/loca···2e0.html

Mr. Flores, I think you've got part of it right. But, it's NOT a merger!!! It's a sale!
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Re: From Illinois newspaper....

Thanks for finding that article, I'll send the link to my dad.

He lives in a tiny town which is directly effected by this (Mansfield, IL). They've had some issues with with Verizon's POTS over the years (forget DSL, it's not available), but they use and are happy with VZ's cell service.

It's a stretch to call it broadband now, but they use and have been happy with a local WISP- which I'm sure backhauls to one or two VZ T1's located in Verizon's storage shed sized CO in town. As long as Frontier doesn't muck up the WISP's access, I doubt they'll notice any difference.
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So how will WV cave?

The history of our politics is embarrassing to say the least, its just a matter of time before enough people in the right places get bought off.

When they do cave a large piece of what is left of my West Virginia pride will be destroyed.

Come on Manchin, prove me wrong. Do something none of your predecessors could ever do, turn down a bribe.

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Re: So how will WV cave?

Sounds like Illinois and West Virginia have more in common than I'd have guessed!
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Illinois approves Verizon deal

I live in southern Illinois in an area served by Verizon. They've never offered DSL in my town so our only Internet option is Charter Cable. Guess we get the worst of both worlds, although I have to admit that Charter HSI is pretty reliable. When I called Verizon about getting a land land basically for 911 service, they wanted $30 per month for it. I decided to remain with my VoIP and cell phone services so I don't use Verizon at all. I likely won't use Frontier either so whether they fail or succeed won't have a significant impact on me. It's no shock that our state regulators approved this deal since they never do anything that benefits the citizens of this state. We're so screwed up that just today we had thousands march on our state capital demanding that our legislators raise our income taxes by 33 percent - where else would that happen but here?

Verizon's pricing is already too high and Frontier will have no choice but to raise prices even higher just to break even, which in turn will push more people toward cable company phone service and HSI. For what Verizon charges for basic phone service with no long distance or features, anyone in this area could get Charter phone service with unlimited long distance and every available feature. Even unlimited cell phone voice service is now cheaper than Verizon's basic no frills land line service. No wonder people are dropping land lines by the thousands every year. I just don't understand how Frontier believes they can ever turn a profit from land lines since it seems to be a dying business model.
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Whatever.

That's all I can come up with on this one.

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What an idiot

And to think He was a major part in CUB (Citizen's Utility Board) an Illinois Utility watchdog which includes the telcos.

ATT is lobbying a bill big time under the guise of job creation. But will basically strip regulation among a few other things.
»www.citizensutilityboard.org/new···nts.html

If it isn't the feds or epa it's our state and local...
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2 edits

I wonder ....

... just how long it will be before Pat Quinn joins the other past Illinois governors on "governor's row" in the state pen?

Fortunatly (?) my area of the state is serviced by AT&T.
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what a surprise

Is it any wonder 80% of the people don't trust government?
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Re: what a surprise

Yet we chose the government we elect these idiots. Its time to stop voting Democrat or Republican.
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Re: what a surprise

said by Kommie:

Yet we chose the government we elect these idiots. Its time to stop voting Democrat or Republican.
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Rich Whitney

I hope people vote for Rich Whitney in IL to get rid of these corrupt two party politicians.

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Unfortunately, it will never happen.

Too many old people set in their ways, and too many young people to stupid to make rational decisions.
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Re: Rich Whitney

Rich Whitney (the Communist) is not the answer. Unfortunately, I believe future Governor Oprah is our only hope.

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As a past Whitney voter I'm disappointed in the primary season he didn't show up anywhere or even update his website. He's updating now, but back in Feb. he hadn't updated website with info of his in almost 4 years. Ack!

Reminds me a bit when Obama beat Alan Keyes for his senate seat and Keyes huff'ed and puff'ed saying he was going to be watch dog for Illinois and would be here to keep and eye on him. Less than a week later his rented house in Calumet City was empty and his feet were moving faster than a cartoon character as he split town. Never to be heard around these parts again to the whole Obama birth certificate BS.

Rich ran unopposed in the primary and felt it unnecessary to give the voters info and put himself out there. He wont be getting my vote again this time around.

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It can always be worse.

The only way to ever fix Illinois is to get the Gov out of Chicago and Chicago out of the Legislature. Cut the umbilical cord. Chicagoans hate the rest of the state anyway. They need to have the opportunity to take care of themselves and Cook County and not accept any state funds or federal funds they don't apply for. If it lasted 90 days I would be very surprised.

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Re: It can always be worse.

I'd say at least 5 -- there are plenty of far-left and far-right lunatics out there to provide amusement for the rest of us, and if we can marginalize them with at least 3 parties closer to the middle, we'll be safe from having the lunatics actually wreck anything important.

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said by linicx:

.

We should have had a 3 party system a long time ago. It is long overdue.
Perhaps the solution to the partisan politics problem is to do away with parties altogether.
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Re: It can always be worse.

Maybe, but another idea is to do away with the 2 for 1 vote in national elections. I think its okay to have a Prez from one party and the Vice Prez from the other. I've seen it work quite well in a couple of states I lived in. I think the idea that a party platform is handed down from god is absurd.

If you are only willing to vote "your" conscience, then stay out of Congress. Go sit in a corner, suck your thumb and leave the rest of us alone.
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IBEW - CWA statement on ICC decision

Springfield, IL -- The Illinois Commerce Commission's (ICC) decision to approve the sale of Verizon's landline operations in Illinois to Frontier Communications could fail to protect the public interest and may jeopardize future access to high speed services.

The decision flies in the face of a very strong recommendation to deny the sale made by Illinois Administrative Law Judge Lisa M. Tapia. In a March 9 proposed order on the Verizon-Frontier application, Tapia wrote: "the proposed reorganization will diminish Frontier's ability to provide adequate, reliable, efficient, safe and least-cost public utility service; and will significantly impair Frontier's ability to raise necessary capital on reasonable terms and to maintain a reasonable capital structure…"

"We have been concerned from the beginning about the impact of this proposed merger on Frontier's financial stability given the enormous debt that it would incur," said Ron Kastner, Business Manager of Local 21, the largest IBEW telecom union in Illinois. "We are deeply disappointed that the ICC has made a ruling that contradicts the judge's recommendation."

The ICC decision means that only regulators at the West Virginia Public Service Commission (PSC) and the Federal Communications Commission have the power to stop approval of the deal.

"This is discouraging news to everyone concerned about the future of telecommunications in rural America," said Ron Collins, Vice President for CWA's District Two who has been leading the campaign against the sale in West Virginia. "We are not stopping our fight against this deal. Verizon's landlines in West Virginia cover virtually the entire state and it is the former Bell System carrier. Because of Frontier's financial weakness, the entire state of West Virginia would be affected if this deal were to close. That is very different than Verizon's and Frontier's relatively small presence in the states that have approved the transaction so far."

Union intervenors may have more comments on the ICC decision after the written order is made public.

More information about why citizens are mobilizing to stop the Verizon sale to Frontier is at: www.verizonfrontierdeal.org. For information about ending the digital divide visit: www.speedmatters.org.

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hmmmmm....

If the ability of Frontier to claim bankruptcy that will surely happen was a non starter, this deal would not probably go through.
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Re: hmmmmm....

Does anyone know if Frontier will raise the rates? I have DSL for $25 a month right now but if they are going to jack it up to like 40 bucks I would be better off with TWC. Should I convert to dryloop before the sale goes through? What's everyone's thoughts?

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Re: hmmmmm....

Not to scare you, but if you have been following this process with Verizon, it would be hard for them not to
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$ money talked $, consumers prepared to be screwed

corruption, plain & simple.
how much bought the change in public policy?

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Yes

Verizon can now run FiOS to the rest of civilized New Jersey.

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