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| | | | Re: What should he have? So is this the part where we never see 1000Mbps results, saying that the speedtest sites are the culprit? I will then ask, if the speedtest sites cant even measure it, whats the point in having it !?
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| | | | | Re: What should he have? Speedtest.net can register 1 gbit. It can also register 300 (from verizon).
Either the guy tested on a really crappy server, or something doesn't add up... | |
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join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC | Re: What should he have? If I read correctly, this was from shared WiFi in an internet cafe. It was "n", so should only be limited by the other users. It said that people from Google configured everything, so the router would have been tweaked as much as possible. | |
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| Re: What should he have? said by axus:If I read correctly, this was from shared WiFi in an internet cafe. It was "n", so should only be limited by the other users. It said that people from Google configured everything, so the router would have been tweaked as much as possible.
If you remember back a few years ago, some Speedtest.net servers couldnt handle the charter ultra60 and the comcast 50mbps tier, with being the only way to max it out was to open multiple downloads at once. Now, speedtest servers(which are not paid for by speedtest.net) can handle 100mbps just fine, but I can see some of the smaller servers(and just jump servers if you dont believe me, you get wildly different results due to congestion, limits, and other factors) still not having the space to muster a gigabit connection in full. And in all honesty, 176mbps downstream from a shared connection, and wireless at that is pretty damn good. | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: What should he have? The owner has to be running a dual band router with 40mhz channels in the 5ghz space for him to even get 177mbps. It would say it's safe to guess he was the only one using the connection at the time otherwise those results would not even be obtainable. | |
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| | | | | I'm surprised he even posted it. I chatted with him on another site and he admitted it was the test server limit so I don't know why he's reporting this. Almost comes across as FUD.
A better realworld test would be to use a download manager that can do multiple streams to various sites. | |
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| | | | | | Re: What should he have? Alright, thanks for that lol. | |
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join:2008-02-01
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kudos:22 | A lot of PCs without tuning and decent NICs will throw up with Gigabit speeds. Speed test servers are also another factor along with the paths the connection is going through being a bunch of factors. | |
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| | | | Re: What should he have? Exactly. There is not a single wireless standard that could actually get the full gigabit speeds (802.11ac won't either) so the only way you could get a valid test is being wired. On top of that, because this is IPv4 and using NAT behind a router, it takes a LOT of power to handle the routing table and most soho routers are not going to be able to deliver 1gbps speeds. If you really want full speed you will either need a commercial appliance or a software solution running on a pc.
It's funny that he compared a download from Apple of all places to try to get a speedtest. Apple is probably one of the slowest sites when it comes to downloads. If he tried to download Windows 7 SP1 from Microsoft I know it would have maxed out his connection. Steam or Origin would have also been better sites to test from. Nvidia is another one that stand out as having really fast downloads for their drivers. | |
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| Re: What should he have? said by anon5123 :Exactly. There is not a single wireless standard that could actually get the full gigabit speeds (802.11ac won't either) so the only way you could get a valid test is being wired. On top of that, because this is IPv4 and using NAT behind a router, it takes a LOT of power to handle the routing table and most soho routers are not going to be able to deliver 1gbps speeds. If you really want full speed you will either need a commercial appliance or a software solution running on a pc.
It's funny that he compared a download from Apple of all places to try to get a speedtest. Apple is probably one of the slowest sites when it comes to downloads. If he tried to download Windows 7 SP1 from Microsoft I know it would have maxed out his connection. Steam or Origin would have also been better sites to test from. Nvidia is another one that stand out as having really fast downloads for their drivers.
I dunno, @ $70 a month w/ 1 year contract.. google shouldn't be so damned cheap & throw in a decent router.. The router *MUST* have a 1gbit WAN port.. SO many home routers are only 10/100. A 1gbit wan router starts at about $150 and a decent one $200+.. Did I mention you need a gigabit card in the computer as well?
IMO, those who can afford $70/mo shouldn't cheap out on their PC setup... their speed will suffer for it.. | |
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| Re: What should he have? Do you think the owner, and customers of "Mud Pie Vegan Bakery" will exceed 176Mbps ? Answer : No. Spending any additional money to upgrade routers and/or NIC would be a waste of money, would it not? Upgrade later when said equipment prices drop, and the speeds are actually needed. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: What should he have? I thought Google Fiber had installed all the equipment at Mud Pie as a test. | |
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join:2008-02-21
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| You'd Think Google Would Proof Their Ads I listen to 98.9 The Rock all day. It's the best damn rock station anywhere. Google has been running ads on it nonstop for the past week. The ad clearly states one gigabyte speeds instead of one gigabit speeds. You'd think Google would proof the damn ads before approving them. | |
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| | | Re: You'd Think Google Would Proof Their Ads I can't believe this either! Google needs to get on that before people think they can download HD movies in 2 seconds. | |
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1 edit | I've tested it too I posted this in another thread...
I live very close to the Google Fiber 'Space' location and was able to check it out a couple times. Last time did a speedtest but it was limited by the test server. So we did 5 simultaneous speedtest to 5 different tests sites and local and the total came to about 750Mbps on wan port, probably other traffic too - not sure of config. Not bad. If you have a download manager that can do multiple streams, should take better advantage of the Gbit. Torrenting obviously would too.
Onlive gaming service is purely fluid, awesomeness.
Google TV is very nice. The DVR functions are comparable to TWC but what's cool is that any Android phone/tablet can control the DVR/TV with apparently rich APIs into the DVR, so much more sophisticated DVR features can be written as an Android app rather than hacking the DVR box. This can open the doors to new ways to approach TV/DVR features written by 3rd parties.
Google also claims they don't add any additional compression (other than what the source has). I saw no sign of blockiness during hi motion video, which is a problem with TWC - especially SDV channels.
If you have questions about the service/features, I plan to go and check it out again. | |
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| Re: I've tested it too Back in the day, I had "purely fluid" gaming on my 360, over a 3Mbps DSL.
I sure hope Google has something planned to utilize these completely unnecessary speeds. Give the rest of the ISP's a kick in the ass to do upgrades. If KC fails, we may NEVER see this stuff. | |
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| | | | | Re: I've tested it too Nope. What else is there !? lol | |
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| | | | I have to agree. They need a killer app to show what you can really use this for. Otherwise, few will see the value in it. | |
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| | | | | Re: I've tested it too Would think the cheap uplink will matter more than the downlink for new generation of apps. Since most ISPs have low uplink or charge much more for more, not many apps are geared for high uplink. Would like to do Playon or Orb type of home server in HD (or very high HQ anyway) when traveling.
Probably don't need more than 100Mbps for a long time but if they are going to offer 1Gbit for less than most ISPs, why not. With multiple streaming downloads, it's could potentially be 10 times faster for downloads for very large content than 100Mbps. I'll take it over TWC charging $50 for 8/1.
Will be interesting to see if Google does anything unique for TV services in the future. They apparently have open APIs on the DVR box for Android apps to access. | |
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If someone know of a test method that does multiple streams, I can go to the Fiber Space and try again. | |
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join:2007-02-19
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kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Re: Not yet optimized? ShaperProbe maybe?
Speedtest.net can do multiple streams. You just need to find a server that's capable of pushing those kinds of speeds to you.
I tend to use speed tests from the likes of lg.softlayer.com rather than speedtest.net when trying to test a really fast connection, partially for the reason that those speed test sites have significantly less load and thus will get closer to the full speed of the port on the server side. | |
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join:2001-06-03
Kenner, LA | No one here understands what this speed is used for Of course you will never get 1 Gbps download speed or upload speed on any server. That is not the point of having it.
The point is being able to download 100 steam games all at once, watching 4 1080p youtube videos all at the same, surfing the web, and listening to online radio all at the same time.
That is not even the beginning of what you can do. | |
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| | | Re: No one here understands what this speed is used for You answered, and I still dont know what its used for. lmao | |
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join:2007-02-19
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kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Re: No one here understands what this speed is used for Give it a rest. Your employer doesn't compete with Google Fiber, so take your downplaying attitude elsewhere. No good reason to even talk about it here. Unless of course you're here to announce that Verizon will suddenly have reasonable pricing (I consider EPB's pricing to be reasonable for the speeds they provide) for their FiOS services on the low and high ends. 15/5 over fiber for $70 per month isn't reasonable, it's more o the same crap that cable companies try to push. | |
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| | | | Re: No one here understands what this speed is used for "offered only in Kansas City"
... and are not looking to make money, it will probably be a huge loss for Google. KC is the recipient of a hefty charitable donation. | |
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| | | | | Re: No one here understands what this speed is used for said by ITALIAN926:"offered only in Kansas City"
... and are not looking to make money, it will probably be a huge loss for Google. KC is the recipient of a hefty charitable donation.
Hardly.
If South Korea can offer 100/100 fiber for ~40 dollars a month and turn a profit I don't see why Google will have a problem. | |
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4 edits | Re: No one here understands what this speed is used for You have it all figured out, I didnt realize that the cable co's and telco's were making money hand over fist. Let me go buy some of their stock since they are making such an absolute killing in comparison.
So, has it ever been estimated how much Google will have to pony up for each subscriber? From what Ive heard, it cost Verizon well over $1000 to pass each sub with FiOS. Prices have come down, how much who knows. »Uncle Sam Helps Frontier Reach Unserved Users $772 to bring DSL to subs? Now Google will offer free 7 year fiber optic internet for $300. Yea, theyll be profitable alright. Wait till the neighbors start sharing the dirty little secret that the 5Mbps choice meets their needs 100% ! quote:
"Yea , I can stream Netflix no problem, even the HD starts right away , no buffering, that free package is fine !" : says Aunt Sally
I agree " Hardly " (profitable) , at best. | |
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| | | | | | said by DataRiker:Hardly.
If South Korea can offer 100/100 fiber for ~40 dollars a month and turn a profit I don't see why Google will have a problem.
Population density of Seoul: 16,000 per square kilometer. Mostly in apartment buildings.
Population density of Kansas City (both of them): under 600 per square kilometer. Many in single-family homes.
Granted, it's not the square area that matters here, but the linear length of fiber and the equipment. There are also some cost savings from being able to use aerial fiber, rather than having to dig. And the cost of the equipment has come down.
But nevertheless, that's a very large headwind to fight. | |
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join:2002-01-22
00000 | Re: No one here understands what this speed is used for If population density was actually the issue, New York City and other densely populated U.S. cities would have 1 gig speeds for reasonable prices. The real reason why we don't have those speeds is there is no real competition with the current duopoloy (telco and cableco) mess. | |
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| Routing. Only downside I have for it right now is that everything is being routed to Cali first then handed off to Level3/XO. So latency is not the best atm nor is speeds for speedtesting. I'm sure the link they have between KC and Cali won't be able to handle all the traffic once this goes live also, but one of Google's datacenters is in Omaha. Till they get local peering, I'll stick to my Surewest connection.
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8.22.56.0/21 | |
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| | | | Re: IP Space Interesting. I wonder why they SWIP'd a /21 from Level3, as opposed to using their own IPv4 space, or getting a /20 allocation from ARIN.
In some ways, I am disappointed they aren't offering Native IPv6 connectivity, or at least doing CGNAT. | |
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| | One question I understand and Im glad for the boost to the fiber goodness. The question is with that great speed what else you get with no tv programing? Ok fine we can do the Hulu,Netflix,ESPN360 etc etc. but no Cable service? | |
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| | Test with neighboors Simply test the connection with other google fiber users.
See if you are really getting 1gbps symmetric.
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