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MD | 2mbps in 2009? Sure it's free, but 2mbps in 2009?
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Pacoima, CA | Re: 2mbps in 2009? It is a great achievement if that can be done. Remember, we cannot even get free dial-up in the US | |
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BloodRoses
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Edit: In terms of availability, not affordability. | |
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radougherty
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Austin, TX |  Can the backbone handle it?
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join:2005-04-14
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| Re: Can the backbone handle it? I don't think the backbones both headed east and west in & out of india could handle it. Maybe theres some undersea cable there attatched to that we don't know about yet  but when you download from indian mirriors to the us they are pretty bad just like the rest of asia. but I've had good results from europe | |
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RayW
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| To put this in perspective India has 1.13 BILLION acknowledged people in an area ONE THIRD the size of the US.
The US has a massive 301 MILLION people in three times the area of India.
So for the equivalent population based usage as listed in this DSLR synopsis, the Indian 9 million connections would be less than 3 million connections here in the US, or less than half the people in the San Francisco Bay area would get it this year.
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| Toadman
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| Re: To put this in perspective said by RayW  :India has 1.13 BILLION acknowledged people in an area ONE THIRD the size of the US. The US has a massive 301 MILLION people in three times the area of India. So for the equivalent population based usage as listed in this DSLR synopsis, the Indian 9 million connections would be less than 3 million connections here in the US, or less than half the people in the San Francisco Bay area would get it this year. Keep in mind that a very, very small population actually own computers in India. It's like us saying we are going to provide broadband to every cow in the US! | |
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Birmingham, AL | Re: To put this in perspective They still use ox-carts over there! | |
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iRack
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| Re: To put this in perspective They are providing broadband to people when they can't even provide clean water. Humans can live without broadband but when you have a water truck everyday to come deliver water; you don't really care about internet. | |
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Rob A
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Pompton Plains, NJ | I'd take that 2Mbps is plenty fast for me. | |
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Michieru2
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Miami, FL | Re: Indian Broadband? Aren't they still recovering from that Tsunami anyway? | |
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Tzale
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| Re: Indian Broadband? said by Michieru2 :Aren't they still recovering from that Tsunami anyway? That wasn't really focussed on India, though small portions of the Indian coast were affected. It is just stupid how people act like India is going to be a better place to live because they have free 2mbps broadband to everyone... Well, you want to know the truth, I smell BULLSHIT.... There is no way they could do that in a country that lacks modern first-world infrastructure.
Get back to me when they reach our standards in a few decades or a century, if ever.
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kapil
The Kapil
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Chicago, IL
| Re: Indian Broadband? said by Tzale :Get back to me when they reach our standards in a few decades or a century, if ever. What standards might those be? More divorces than successful marriages? a shamefully high teen pregnancy rate?
The President's insistence that the jury is still out on global warming and evolution? Election fraud?
Advocating "life" while jailing a larger portion of its citizens than any other "developed" nation?
Citizenry buried to its eyeballs in debt - which is being financed by the very foreigners you spurn?
Kids who, despite years of schooling that costs more than it does anywhere else in the world, can't even speak properly the one language they do...can't tell the difference between 'your' and 'you're' or 'too' and 'to', or 'there' and 'their', yet they are #1 when it comes to complaining how they have been harmed by affirmative action which creates a level playing field for those who have been disadvantaged for centuries - like blacks on whose back this country and come of its oldest and most profitable companies were built or hispanics who are bi-lingual, work hard, pay taxes, take jobs you won't take - yet succeed in the face of racist name calling?
Would it be the shameful morals that allow you to wage war and kill as long as long as the killed aren't white skinned?
...or, let me guess, it's how the free market has got giant corporations stuffing a dildo up everyone who works for a living while it awards golden parachutes to those who lie and deceive for a living?
If you ask me, the biggest problem India, or the entire developing world for that matter, faces is continuing its development while borrowing the least amount of American "standards". | |
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Orange, CA | Re: Indian Broadband? wtf... | |
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jaa
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join:2000-06-13 | Yes, those standards. And the billions of dollars of foreign aid. | |
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
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| said by kapil :said by Tzale :Get back to me when they reach our standards in a few decades or a century, if ever. What standards might those be? More divorces than successful marriages? a shamefully high teen pregnancy rate? The President's insistence that the jury is still out on global warming and evolution? Election fraud? Advocating "life" while jailing a larger portion of its citizens than any other "developed" nation? Citizenry buried to its eyeballs in debt - which is being financed by the very foreigners you spurn? Kids who, despite years of schooling that costs more than it does anywhere else in the world, can't even speak properly the one language they do...can't tell the difference between 'your' and 'you're' or 'too' and 'to', or 'there' and 'their', yet they are #1 when it comes to complaining how they have been harmed by affirmative action which creates a level playing field for those who have been disadvantaged for centuries - like blacks on whose back this country and come of its oldest and most profitable companies were built or hispanics who are bi-lingual, work hard, pay taxes, take jobs you won't take - yet succeed in the face of racist name calling? Would it be the shameful morals that allow you to wage war and kill as long as long as the killed aren't white skinned? ...or, let me guess, it's how the free market has got giant corporations stuffing a dildo up everyone who works for a living while it awards golden parachutes to those who lie and deceive for a living? If you ask me, the biggest problem India, or the entire developing world for that matter, faces is continuing its development while borrowing the least amount of American "standards". Guess what, I didn't even bother reading your fucking reply because it's stupid as hell.... We're discussing India's problems that are far larger than the need for national broadband coverage. You seem to think America is worse than India, then go ahead and think that. We're not discussing social issues, we're discussing INFRASTRUCTURE.. Get that through your head... I bet you didn't realize this but India is one of the only countries in the world that have a favorable view of America, I bet you're shitting your pants now. 
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Chicago, IL | If the biggest problem 50-some years after becoming an independent nation is lack of water in remote villages, that's pretty damn good progress.
Ya'll were still lynching blacks for a much longer time after the redcoats left. | |
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Alpine
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| Re: Indian Broadband? WHOAH. You need to get a grip on yourself. "Lynching blacks?" That has absolutely no place on this board.
Get a freakin' life. Broadband access and related topics are NOT major social issue worthy of being compared to slavery. And if you think it is you are truly a pathetic human being.
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| Re: Indian Broadband? fyi... Indian broadband is still the BEST in the world... we don't have hilarious contention ratios of 1:50 or 1:100 like the "developed" world .. its 1:2 or max 1:4 ... NOT MORE
I am least surprised at this move...
Regarding your views about India... most villages DO have access to water etc.. AND they are connected by wireless to the internet... yes almost every mile out there.... the bottleneck is speed and the EDGE technology.. which will now be upgraded to WiFi or WiMAX...
All this shouting is just because "developed" countries can't beat this move ... Face it. India is NO LESS than any "developed" country in the world.
For those who want to spend a few bucks... we will get 20 Mbps connections | |
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Tzale
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| Re: Indian Broadband? said by in :
fyi... Indian broadband is still the BEST in the world... we don't have hilarious contention ratios of 1:50 or 1:100 like the "developed" world .. its 1:2 or max 1:4 ... NOT MORE
I am least surprised at this move...
Regarding your views about India... most villages DO have access to water etc.. AND they are connected by wireless to the internet... yes almost every mile out there.... the bottleneck is speed and the EDGE technology.. which will now be upgraded to WiFi or WiMAX...
All this shouting is just because "developed" countries can't beat this move ... Face it. India is NO LESS than any "developed" country in the world.
For those who want to spend a few bucks... we will get 20 Mbps connections
I have ran across about 20-30 people who have moved from India during the last 5-10 years and each and every one of them moved because India has nothing to offer them. To even think that India is better off economically and infrastructure wise than America shows that you have problems with common knowledge/sense.
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Tzale
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| said by kapil :If the biggest problem 50-some years after becoming an independent nation is lack of water in remote villages, that's pretty damn good progress. Ya'll were still lynching blacks for a much longer time after the redcoats left. Ya'll? I'm in New Jersey and my family didn't move here until a few years ago from Europe, so don't blame me for what the Southerners did... Plus, it has no bearing on this conversation because this is the 21st century and we're not talking about which country is "better" (though clearly America is!), but rather that India has bigger fish to fry than worrying about deploying broadband to everyone.
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burgermeister
All Computers Are Junk
join:2000-10-23
Utica, MI
| Yeah, seems like the money would be better spent in basic infrastructure (roads, electricity, water, etc.).
Odd that they'd even consider something like that.
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| Re: free broadband I'm from India and I'll say this:
I'll believe it when I see it.
Even assuming that the this "free" 2Mbps plan makes it way out of the bureaucratic web, it's going to come under fire the minute it launches from private broadband operators (Reliance, Tata, Airtel, etc) for violating anti-competition laws.
The courts will throw it out even if it sees light of day.
Lets not even talk about water et al in India. I can beat drums about the USA too, but let's face it: no country in the world does the sensible thing most of the time. I'll just leave it at that. | |
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join:2005-02-12
Tampa, FL
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| RE: can the backbone handle it? maybe. there is a map that shows the undersea cables and it shows that india is connected to china's backbone which goes right to the u.s. and can support >7500Gbps+ it consists of about 20 cables and they also have a backhaul that is connected to europe which can support >25000Gbps+ from europe to the u.s. but only 500Gbps from india to europe. chinas backbone is also used by australia and new zealand along with many other asian nations... the european backbone to the u.s. has over 50 cables. the connection between europe and north american is the fastest undersea connection in the world. all current international speed records have been set using the trans atlantic cables..
i think that those cables can handle much more with some wave division multiplexing and new equiptment i think the cables should be fine. also there are probably many other unlit cables in the sea that were put there incase they needed more bandwidth.. | |
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Philadelphia, PA | Re: RE: can the backbone handle it? Read stuff about new forms of multiplexing and possibly the use of different colored lasers to enchance capacity will have to do some reading again | |
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uwKEYT
@shentel.net | bluster More socialist bluster from the Indian government..... Telco's cannot offer a decent 2mbps paid connection, for free sounds like a joke. Even if they do, it'll come with a 5 MB/month download limit or some such ridiculous caveat. | |
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ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
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ninjatutle
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San Ramon, CA | I called India today.. by way of Sprint. I should have asked Raja about his thoughts on this idea. | |
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| Re: I called India today.. Yes, India does have problems with Poverty, and other issues. But what country doesn't' (The top 1% of the richest Americans comprise 40% of Americans total wealth. Think about about that)? However, what you may not understand is how India became this way, so here's a quick lesson...
India and China has always been the 2 richest countries (in terms of total GDP(PPP)), and in 1600-1700's, India was the richest country on earth.
The Mughal Empire (Muslim Dynasty comprised of Mongols/Turks, Persians, Afghans, and Indians) were in control. The British, French (Who started out as Trading companys and grew into a Army) Portuguese, Spanish, Smaller Hindu Kingdoms and Muslim Kingdoms began fighting for control over India.
The British Army (50,000) along with the Sepoys [Indian Soldiers in the British Army] (270,000+) caused friction between Hindu, Muslims, and Sikhs, and conquered India (only 45% sometime by 1840-50's, which also took over 150 years to build, and lasted only 90 years "officially"), and then made treaties with other princely states, and eventually plundered the whole country of their riches by extortion by using a sort of hyper-taxes you could say.
Even Afghanistan was one of the Richest countries and had one of the most powerful armies in the world only a few hundred years ago.
You shouldn't have such a close-minded view of other countries. You forget that America has to "import" their brain power from other countries. | |
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@cisco.com
| Re: power outage = 16 hrs a day ! Think of it this way,
How much does it take to erect a power plant and how much does it take to lay a submarine-cable to provide Huge amount of internet bandwidth?
Power projects are happening ever since 1947 and it wont happen in a day or two. the power situation has improved. No point cribbing about current situation, instead looking at the progress made, the future is bright. So if you think "instead of" providing internet, they shd have more power plants etc, please think reasonably, development is also about being developed all round.. | |
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is this an INDIa bashing column or what??
india is the richest third world country. some of us are really smart and it's the govt. holding us back. yes.
India is also still a "third-world" country. we go to the US coz it's better there. why else would we go there.
there are some areas we're seruiously good at and some where we'll be state-of-the-art in a few years.
Like someone above said. no country does the absolute sensible thing to do all the time. getting this far in 50 years has been tricky. just think how the other colonies were 50 yrs after their independence.
and the power outage story is pure bullshit. this probab;ly happened one day in a seriously remote village in the north east. | |
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