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cdru
Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| Re: Software companies that work with IWF on filtering products quote:
And to answer the question sure to be asked about it not stopping determined kids from viewing porn:
Does this stop even the most determined kid from looking at sexual images?
Blocking is designed to protect people from inadvertent access to sexual images.
No known technology is capable of effectively denying determined kids who are actively seeking such material; only removal of the content at source can achieve that goal.
And if you are looking to purchase some type of content filtering for your home/school/church/organization, the above is also true. | |
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Cultivant son jardin
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| said by TKJunkMail  :Does this stop even the most determined people from looking at sexually abusive images of children? As our experience with pirated music and videos shows us, the answer is no. Determined people will find ways around the law. In fact, pushing people into less obvious means of obtaining and exchanging sexually explicit material makes them harder to catch.
Blocking is designed to protect people from inadvertent access to potentially illegal images of child sexual abuse. I refute it thus:
In all my wanderings across the Internet (including some sites with pretty questionable taste), I've never come across child porn just lying out in the open for anyone to see.
No known technology is capable of effectively denying determined criminals who are actively seeking such material; only removal of the content at source can achieve that goal. Yeah, how's that working out in the 40 year old "War" on Drugs?
Child porn is just the excuse used to gain political control over the net.
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Shamayim
I already have a Messiah.
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join:2002-09-23 | Calm down It's for the children.
It's always 'for the children.' | |
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major marco
Res Firma Mitescere Nescit
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| Re: Calm down said by Shamayim :It's for the children. It's always 'for the children.' The U.S. flavor of authoritarianism requires the following to be added in addition to for the children:
(1) For the war on drugs
(2) For God
(3) For Country
(4) For Patriotism
(5) For insert hysterical religious cause here
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DrModem
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USA
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| Re: Calm down said by major marco :said by Shamayim :It's for the children. It's always 'for the children.' The U.S. flavor of authoritarianism requires the following to be added in addition to for the children: (1) For the war on drugs (2) For God (3) For Country (4) For Patriotism (5) For insert hysterical religious cause here (6) FOR SPARTA!!!!!!!!!! | |
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Simba7
join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT
| Ahh.. I love that term.. It makes me wanna puke..
"I have to lysol everything in my house so there's no germs". Well, you just jerked up your kids' immune systems. So when they do catch something common like to most of us, they could die from it because their immune systems aren't used to seeing actual "Virii" or "Bacteria".
"I have to protect everything my kids see and hear". Ya. Good luck with that. With the censors lowering the standard even for broadcast TV, that's an impossibility. I remember when "bitch" was a bad word on TV. Now, it's on every other program.
"It's everyone elses fault". Never the parents fault how they raised their kids. It's every one elses. People like this need a freakin' wake up call.
This generation is severely f**ked in my opinion. Everyone wants to protect their kids when in reality they're OVERPROTECTING their kids. I think history can tell us what'll happen next.
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Neyland
join:2003-02-04
USA
| Re: Calm down said by Simba7 :This generation is severely f**ked in my opinion. Funny, I think every crabby old man has said this for 100 years. | |
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join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | Re: Calm down Maybe, but this one is more than most others have been. | |
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Hangmn
Don't Fight It...It's Inevitable
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Philadelphia, PA
| said by Neyland :said by Simba7 :This generation is severely f**ked in my opinion. Funny, I think every crabby old man has said this for 100 years. Yes, right up to the point where a teenage fight in school ends in gunfire. (psst I thing the crabby old men are on to something)
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Cellular Future
@skyriver.net | Re: Calm down Be grateful your teenagers aren't killing with molecular vaporizers! | |
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Hangmn
Don't Fight It...It's Inevitable
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| Re: Calm down said by Cellular Future :
Be grateful your teenagers aren't killing with molecular vaporizers!
That would solve ALOT of problems though
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| said by Neyland :said by Simba7 :This generation is severely f**ked in my opinion. Funny, I think every crabby old man has said this for 100 years. You say that like it invalidates their statements. Our society is in a continuous downward spiral. Each generation progressively getting worse. 100 years ago, children didn't bring bombs and guns to school. Popular drug "culture" continues to gain a foothold in both private and public life. The freedom to have one's own thought is continuously being replaced by complacent indoctrination. The rapid technological advances this country was famous for 60+ years ago have come to a halt. America use to be the industrial center of the world and that has all been outsourced in the name of short term gains. The crabby old men are right. They always have been. People don't get old by accident, there are some pretty good reasons why we use to hold elders in high esteem and listen to what they said. | |
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join:2003-01-26
Gaithersburg, MD
| Re: Calm down “Our youths love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority – they show disrespect for their elders and love to chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when their elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up food, and tyrannize teachers.”
Socrates, c.400 B.C.
"Our society is in a continuous downward spiral."
And yet, somehow, over the 2400 years since Socrates penned his thoughts, most of these irresponsible children grow up and become responsible adults, while quality of life has dramatically improved across the board for almost about everyone on the planet (note I said "almost". But even those living in some of the worse places are still better off than many previous generations better places).
No, it's not my intention to stir up a flame war and you're entitled to your thoughts. I just felt compelled to point out that these crabby old men have been crying doom and gloom for thousands of years and yet most things just get better. | |
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birdfeedr
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join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
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| I promised myself I wouldn't engage in this subject, because anyone who's affected invariably have strong emotions, enough so that it's difficult to tell the trolls from the rest.
said by Simba7 :This generation is severely f**ked in my opinion. Isn't that what IWF is all about?
said by Simba7 :Everyone wants to protect their kids when in reality they're OVERPROTECTING their kids. I think history can tell us what'll happen next. I'd hardly say I was overprotected growing up, but Lord knows, I didn't have to deal with anything close to the crap around today. I felt safe as a kid, and always knew where I could turn. There was always someone at home, and parents took care of everybody's kid.
How would you suggest going back? You'll need to deal with drugs, gangs, sex on TV, consumer "me-first" society more than ever, single-parent families, and a lot more.
What's your threshhold between protecting and overprotecting? Are you a spare the rod, spoil the child kind of person? Good Lord, do you even have kids? or are they grandkids?
Do you recognize the truism that the older generation always has something to shake their head about over the newer generation?
I'd hate to see what kids today will shake their heads over when they are parents. 
Some people say the world is going to hell in a handbasket. Others say it's just moving on.
My questions were rhetorical, not requiring an answer. I'm done. | |
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Simba7
join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT
2 edits | Re: Calm down said by birdfeedr :Are you a spare the rod, spoil the child kind of person? Good Lord, do you even have kids? or are they grandkids? Um.. You should really look at the bible if you're going to say that phrase. It's quite misused and misunderstood. I've heard several people say that and I'm like "Do you actually know what it means?".. Many don't. »www.tldm.org/news6/child.discipline.htm
It's funny that up until the late 90s and this decade that kids brought guns and bombs to school. What the hell are the parents doing? Oh, it's someone elses fault. Either that or when the parents actually do something, the kids sick DFS on them.
One of the problems is everyone's soo damn sue-happy, which leads to paranoia among others. "I'd better not confront his parents or they'd sue me for {insert something here}".
BTW: I have 3 kids and I'm *NOT* that old. I'm just comparing to my generation (80's) and now. | |
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American
@optonline.net | what? how about we ignore the british and solve our own problems ourselves... the american revolution proved we don't want to be controlled by the british.. why start again?. we americans have our own thoughts and laws.. | |
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