Insight Customers Get Ready For Comcast Switch 684,000 customers impacted Roughly half of existing Insight Communications customers will become Comcast customers on January 1 as a result of an unwound partnership that was announced by the companies last Spring. Insight tells a local Peoria, Illinois paper that while the changeover begins on the first day of 2008, not much is really going to change until the companies do a billing conversion on February 4. E-mail rollovers won't happen for several months. Roughly 684,000 Insight customers will head to Comcast, leaving Insight with around 640,000 subscribers in Kentucky, Indiana and Ohio. A report from the Kokomo, Indiana Perspective notes that there will be an e-mail grace period, but the length of that grace period has not yet been defined. The paper also says that pricing and services won't be changing for a little while. Again, no time frame there, either: That's something we will evaluate after the properties are under our management and we figure where we can capitalize on efficiencies," said Apple. "It's possible there will changes to the programming, but it isn't being discussed at the moment. We will continue to offer all of the services Insight customers currently receive: cable, Internet and residential phone service. Meanwhile, remaining Insight customers in our forums note that additional areas in Kentucky are seeing 20Mbps speeds. Our users say that Insight charges users in some areas $50 for 20Mbps/1.5Mbps, while other users are being charged $80 for 15Mbps/1.5Mbps.
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Port Hueneme, CA | Re: Get ready to.. HAHAHHA
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| I Wonder How My Parents Will Be Affected They live in a former Insight, soon to be Comcast area.
I gather that they'll have to switch their E-mail addresses, according to the article.
I'm most interested in learning how billing will change, if anything.
All I know is that they have the 4.0Mb/384Kb speed, which I think costs $30-$40/mo. (I can't remember exactly).
I'm also hoping that I can switch them to Verizon DSL, since Comcrap has caps, which I *really* don't like since unlike water and electricity, you don't have supreme control over usage (every time someone/something else accesses your PC, some transfer is used up). | |
| | | | Re: I Wonder How My Parents Will Be Affected said by benc:They live in a former Insight, soon to be Comcast area. I gather that they'll have to switch their E-mail addresses, according to the article. I'm most interested in learning how billing will change, if anything. All I know is that they have the 4.0Mb/384Kb speed, which I think costs $30-$40/mo. (I can't remember exactly). I'm also hoping that I can switch them to Verizon DSL, since Comcrap has caps, which I *really* don't like since unlike water and electricity, you don't have supreme control over usage (every time someone/something else accesses your PC, some transfer is used up). Why would someone (or the bigger question SOMETHING else) be accessing their computer? Sounds like, instead of switching mom & dad you should make sure they add a security suite or stop leaving the computer sitting on the sidewalk logged in for passer-bys. LoL | |
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1 edit | Re: I Wonder How My Parents Will Be Affected It could be MS Update with auto-update turned on.
Oh, and if you have security suite installed, it's likely to be automatically updating by default. | |
| | | | | said by TraumaJunkie:said by benc:They live in a former Insight, soon to be Comcast area. I gather that they'll have to switch their E-mail addresses, according to the article. I'm most interested in learning how billing will change, if anything. All I know is that they have the 4.0Mb/384Kb speed, which I think costs $30-$40/mo. (I can't remember exactly). I'm also hoping that I can switch them to Verizon DSL, since Comcrap has caps, which I *really* don't like since unlike water and electricity, you don't have supreme control over usage (every time someone/something else accesses your PC, some transfer is used up). Why would someone (or the bigger question SOMETHING else) be accessing their computer? Sounds like, instead of switching mom & dad you should make sure they add a security suite or stop leaving the computer sitting on the sidewalk logged in for passer-bys. LoL Looks like you don't understand how the internet works very well. LOL | |
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Gwinn, MI | ...okay, lets pretend for just one moment that i'm some douchebag computer cracker. i start trolling the net for less than well protected computers to add to my zombienet. i start sending packets at their computer/router, c. Ta. Da. transfer is being used up. their computer doesn't even have to RESPOND for me to be using their transfer.
lets say, for instance, in another example, you're playing some multiplayer game (doesn't even really matter which one.) and you irritate some codekiddy. TA DA. you are getting pingflooded. there goes your transfer totals skyrocketing.
imagine you host a website on your business account (Because memory serving those have caps too...which makes sense i suppose) aaaand a group of code kiddies decide to DDoS your site. well, suddenly your site goes down to snailspeed anyway, AND you get BONUS CHARGES for exceeding your bandwith.
these are the first three examples that come to mind as to how your idea is made of FAIL.
no offense meant, but, this is why i dislike the idea of transfer caps. you have NO way to prevent people from pushing info down your pipe at you, which counts towards your transfer caps. I can think of but one way to prevent this, and i dislike that idea, because i'm one of those people who's computer has about a 50% chance to start from cold boot on any given day (once it's up it's rock solid..it's just that it really does NOT like starting cold).
on another more relevant topic, merry christmas
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| Re: I Wonder How My Parents Will Be Affected Just how big is an ICMP packet? How many ICMP responses would it take to use up your "bandwidth allotment"? I suspect that an ping flood would kill your IP connection long before it put your bandwidth consumption over the limit.
Oh, and I do concur with your final sentiment...
Felice Navidad
Fröhliche Weihnachten
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All of which says, "Merry Christmas".
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| | | | |  pfakBow before me for I am rootPremium
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| Re: I Wonder How My Parents Will Be Affected FYI -
Just because you're not responding to a packet, doesn't mean it doesn't get counted. Even if your connection is so saturated that you can't respond with ACK's, the CMTS or equivalent will still be counting your traffic.
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3 edits | Re: I Wonder How My Parents Will Be Affected said by pfak:FYI - Just because you're not responding to a packet, doesn't mean it doesn't get counted. Even if your connection is so saturated that you can't respond with ACK's, the CMTS or equivalent will still be counting your traffic. Again, are ACK packets so large that they would tip your bandwidth use over a limit?
We are not talking two-hour feature films, one-hour TV shows, or 30-minute episodes of fansubbed anime, here; or even 5-minute music clips. Just simple ACK packets; what is that? Less than 64 Bytes per ACK?
If your download bandwidth is reasonable, a score, or four, of ACKs won't change things. Only if you are already pushing the envelope would they be a factor.
P.S. Probably another reason I don't think I'd be happy with Comcast. Even discounting their prohibition on running a mail server (I am "barracks lawyer" enough that I would challenge their Terms of Use vebiage, anyway); with 90% of the attempts to deliver email to my MTA being rejected, I am sending a lot of packets that would count against my cap.
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Vancouver, BC | Re: I Wonder How My Parents Will Be Affected We were talking about a ping flood here, weren't we? Most ISPs count both your incoming and outgoing bandwidth. | |
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1 edit | Re: I Wonder How My Parents Will Be Affected And, again, I say that a ping flood of such proportions as to bring you to an bandwidth cap will swamp your connection to uselessness long before your ISP notices that you are exceeding their BW limit. You will have called them to find out what is wrong with your connection long before they threaten to cut you off for "abuse". And, if they are going to hold you responsible for abusing their bandwidth over a ping flood, you didn't need them for service, anyway (not to mention the probability that you could sue them for damages, if they cut you off for activity not caused by your actions).
P.S. What is the relationship of ICMP packets to ACK packets?
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Gwinn, MI | Re: I Wonder How My Parents Will Be Affected said by NormanS:And, again, I say that a ping flood of such proportions as to bring you to an bandwidth cap will swamp your connection to uselessness long before your ISP notices that you are exceeding their BW limit. lets see, a ping-flood uses 32byte packages, and the bandwith caps i see being floated around most often on here are around 100GB/150GB per month, so we'll use that for a reference.
32 ping packets in a KB, to start with. now, this isn't much, but, regardless, there is not limit to simultaneous packets being sent to a single location.
the problem with by the byte billing that i have lies more in the "where are the bytes i'm being billed for get counted?".
because, all it would really take to completely bone someone is a small zombie-net (easily achieved with "code box" code-kiddy tools these days.) of around 10 computers with 10-15 open instances of ping -f running each. point them all at one computer. that's 15 packets per computer per second.
right there you're talking 150kb/s. 8.7MB/minute. or, a week or so before you hit a 100GiB cap. (which is most likely what the ISP uses for cap totals rather than binary GB. because x/1000 is easier than x/1024) a normal user is not going to notice this sort of load on their downstream, are they?
and, on top of this, depending on where your $/byte is billed, you may get charged for these packets even if they don't get to your machine.
wanna make things even funnier with this thought experiment? make sure that ALL of the zombie net machines are on the same ISP's network. now everyone's getting wierd bills.
(i apologize if my math is off, but 1)i'm really tired. 2)i'm really tired, and 2)i'm working in telcom, and did i mention that i'm really really tired)
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| Re: I Wonder How My Parents Will Be Affected said by Syian:the problem with by the byte billing that i have lies more in the "where are the bytes i'm being billed for get counted?". Wait a minute? Billing by the byte? When did that become an issue? Comcast does not bill by the byte; for that matter, I am pretty sure that Insight does not, either. Flat rate billing is the norm for the U.S.A., unlike some foreign ISPs.
Billing by the byte is different from the invisible bandwidth cap afflicting Comcast users.
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Glen Carbon, IL | This, my friends, is why I don't like caps. There is no control. Even if a packet is denied at the firewall, it still uses transfer to get there so it can be denied. | |
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| said by benc:All I know is that they have the 4.0Mb/384Kb speed, which I think costs $30-$40/mo. (I can't remember exactly). I believe the standard Comcast HSI package, nationally, is 6M for $42.95 per month, if the customer also has a Comcast TV package. I am not sure on the upload; I think they are moving to 768kbps. The Comcast site did not mention the upload speed in the package description.
I'm also hoping that I can switch them to Verizon DSL, since Comcrap has caps, which I *really* don't like since unlike water and electricity, you don't have supreme control over usage (every time someone/something else accesses your PC, some transfer is used up).
Do they really download so much? The "invisible" cap should not be a problem for people under 150GB per month. They'd have to be downloading a wad of movies to hit that level. I download fansubbed anime like crazy, and don't hit more than 100GB per month.
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| | |  Sith HMPI Did What?Premium
join:2004-04-25
Bloomington, IL | Re: I Wonder How My Parents Will Be Affected So what you are saying is my 10/1 for $30 and change a month is getting downgraded to 6/768 and the price is getting raised on top of that? Well if that's the case Comcast won't have to worry about hitting it's 30% share around here. Myself and many others around will be migrating to a different service. They will lose phone, tv, and internet customers and a lot of them. Could some one explain to me how that is even legal? If I have an existing plan at a certain price tier, how can they just come in and say, "oh not any more"?
This has to anger more people out there than just the people in my neighborhood. May be I am just misinformed. May be there is something in my TOS that I overlooked. It's a new company by name yes, but they are still using all of the same equipment that is already providing said service. | |
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Fishers, IN | Re: I Wonder How My Parents Will Be Affected I got my December bill a few days ago and the monthly Internet price for me went from $30 a month to $35. I wouldn't be surprised if the price and speed will be consistent with Comcast by the end of next year. | |
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| I don't know about the price you will pay for it, but I believe that they will put you on their closest tier, which would be 8M/.768M. Probably at the $52.95 rate.
Legal? If Insight wants to get out of the business, and they find a buyer, the buyer is not legally compelled to honor the seller's prices. Otherwise, who would buy when Insight sells?
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| | | 4.0/384 hasn't been available in a long time, the LOWEST Insight package at the moment is 10.0/1.0 which is $30 if they have digital cable or phone also from Insight. | |
| | | bencPremium
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Glen Carbon, IL Reviews:
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| Re: I Wonder How My Parents Will Be Affected said by Couch Potato:4.0/384 hasn't been available in a long time, the LOWEST Insight package at the moment is 10.0/1.0 which is $30 if they have digital cable or phone also from Insight. Well, it's what they have. If what you say is true, then either they're grandfathered in, or slower speeds are available if you call them or talk in person, as opposed to ordering via the Internet (I know the Insight site only mentions 10Mbps).
My parents visited me over Christmas, and left not too long ago. I asked my father what he pays, and he says he's paying $35/mo. This is for Internet alone. He doesn't have cable TV or Insight VOIP.
Perhaps this is a case where "grandfathered in" isn't a good thing?
At least it's sometimes good. I have a $100 deductible on collision insurance on my car through State Farm, although new customers can't get less than $250.
On a different topic, Happy Holidays everyone! | |
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| |  NJxxxJonDSLR'er from the 56k days.Premium
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| Re: get ready said by i1me2ao:for comtastic price increase.. ....with the slowskeys.
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Pacifica, CA | Impact on recent 30% Ownership Cable Cap! Comcast will now be over 30% - hmm... how long will that court case last and what will Comcast do now to increase its customer base when it bumps up against the new regulation. They may only be limited to losing customers in 2008. | |
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| Re: Impact on recent 30% Ownership Cable Cap! said by Gygax:Comcast will now be over 30% - hmm... how long will that court case last and what will Comcast do now to increase its customer base when it bumps up against the new regulation. They may only be limited to losing customers in 2008. Here is a thought, drop the price of HSI to competitive levels to get more "internet" customers. Then once a large portion of the base is HSI, advertise cableTV to customers at a discount, then when they ask to sign up they say "oh, we can't offer you that because the FCC says we are not allowed, you will need to call your congressman"..
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join:2007-12-04
Pacifica, CA
3 edits | Re: Impact on recent 30% Ownership Cable Cap! It might be stated that generally HSI is offered at a competitive levels if you compare performance. Look at pricing of DSL versus Cable HSI. Compare Comcast/cable pricing to FIOS. Higher performance can justify a small premium. That is why people will pick cable over DSL and likely FIOS over Cable as this new technology continues to roll out.
A major issue is how Telcos changed the regulations requiring cable companies to build out 100% in the communities they served as well as providing community programming channels. Cable was never to pick and choose their subscriber base - there investment was 100% of the community served. Think of cable like the electronic version of the U.S. Postal service - everyone - no matter where they live must receive the mail - unprofitable or profitable cable had to build the infrastructure to serve the whole community. Now the telcos simply focus on the profitable areas and leave many communities with no service. The locals have no control on the telcos - many areas will not be served creating a digital divide.
You have to love the Telcos power over the FCC and their commissioner who is under investigation. Telcos enter the market with a fraction of the investment cable has made over the past forty years and cherry pick their customers. | |
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| Re: Impact on recent 30% Ownership Cable Cap! Drink much kool aid ?
Last time I checked , no one but the locals tell cable where to roll.
And telcos service every one with a phone.
The internet is not a needed service yet and neither is tv , good lord man stop drinking the damn kool aid.
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4 edits | Re: Impact on recent 30% Ownership Cable Cap! BosstonesOwn - Spinning the Telcos song? Seriously - maybe read a comment before commenting on one. The issue is different rules for Telcos versus the rules for cable. Cable has to pay billions to for 100% coverage and Telcos can simply spend millions and selectively go after only the highest ROIs. Cable will be forced to retreat from low investment areas to compete with the Telcos now.
Telco's entry fee is a fraction of the cost of cable. I would say Verizon charging way too much for FIOS in terms of the investment return they are making by cherry picking only the best markets.
And by the way - Bell built out the phone-lines not the Baby Bells.
This IS about phone (VoIP), broadband, and cable TV - which is the main source of information for a majority of their news (good or bad). | |
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| Re: Impact on recent 30% Ownership Cable Cap! Like it was any different when the fcc was in favor of the cable cos?
Get real dude , the world isn't fair and the weights on the scale shift from side to side quite frequently , stop drinking the kool aid and take a good look at the years that lead up to these decisions , you will see that those years cable has gotten away with a lot as well. But since now it swings back to the telcos it's not fair.
Geez go figure.
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Impact on recent 30% Ownership Cable Cap! BosstonesOwn: "Like it was any different when the fcc was in favor of the cable cos?"
What did the cable companies actually receive and how are cable and telcos related in the past? Cable was rightly forced to build out 100%, provide public access channels, fund local board session coverage, and be part of the local community. Every community was allowed to negotiate exactly what they wanted in return for a cable company to enter a market.
The telcos never had to build out 100% or negotiate with every city, county, suburban market - they did not start providing cable programing until 2006.
Today's telcos cannot be compared to the huge regulated Bell companies that hung copper across the U.S. We are not even talking about the Baby Bells anymore - these are the grandchildren with the trust fund.
For 30 years cable was a small to medium sized family operations that was pioneering a new way to deliver programming. Most media considered cable a joke until the 1980s. You could have bought a cable company in the 1970s for about the price of a car dealership.
Even if your premise was correct in regards to the relationship of the FCC to cable and telcos your idea of perpetuating bad policy because "the world isn't fair and the weights on the scale shift from side to side" indicates an acceptance of mediocrity. So who is drinking the kool aid?
And you are forgetting the biggest story of all. Telcos got what they wanted. So follow the money. Telcos are the big boys - cable has always been a small player when compared to the big telcos. It was not until cable started offering VoIP that cable received a big rise in revenue. This shocked the hell out of the trust fund babies. A few phone calls to the FCC boss and some handshaking in washington and suddenly the Telcos are given the keys to cables business. And the latest blow with the FCC ruling against Comcast being restricted to 30% market share - like the mob. I am pretty sure FCC Chairman Kevin Martin, who is currently under investigation, will get some jail time. | |
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| Re: Impact on recent 30% Ownership Cable Cap! Ok so what your saying is because the cable co's did not get treated well no one should ?
Let's take a look at cable shall we ? No one federally is forcing them into 100 % coverage. The local folks are. When it came to data they were immune from the regulations the telco had to conform to and still are immune , when they picked up voice, they are immune to the telco company standards.
Did you realize that NEBS compliant telco gear is not used by comcast or many cable cos? Do you know why ? Because they don't need to conform. And NEBS gear is hugely expensive for carriers.
You cry for the cable co's. I don't I have been in telco for a hell of a long time, and I realize they are regulated for reasons. I have also worked with cable cos with their head end gear and muxing their "digital voice".
You don't know the inside story why they are being capped.
First if they are given the ability to expand their voip system will fail. People don't realize this, but voip is not ready for prime time , they see the savings and wow Im getting a deal. NEBS compliant boxes are needed , not just any old server , what happens when a box drops mid emergency call or before it can be completed ? Bet ya didn't know NEBS compliant boxes don't drop did you ? They just don't crash , they are made this way so nothing bad can happen before its partner box picks up the slack.
Second if they continue to expand they will be the primary holder of viewers eyes. This can not happen , they like any business will take advantage of it. By pushing around other providers. This is exactly what the break up of the bell was trying to stop. The biggest baby bell has ironically 30% of the citizens ears. Guess ya missed that eh ?
Third , they can push around content providers and dictate costs. There is a reason why we don't let business get to big. They can reduce costs in small areas to the point of loosing money and make it up in another area to bankrupt another provider and buy them up. What is qwest and others doing out west ahh just this right ?
Limiting comcasts size is not just because the fcc chair has it out for them. They failed to limit the bell and look where that got us , they broke em up now we have many more options.
I don't cry for telcos or cable cos. The fact that Verizon is "redlining" their fios service is exactly what cable cos did back in the day of their growth. They "redlined" to get their ROI faster so they can spread out faster , it's business get used to it , the world isn't fair and neither is business. Don't like it move to a serviced area , that simple.
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4 edits | Re: Impact on recent 30% Ownership Cable Cap! NEBS is a broad set of industry standards not regulations. NEBS standards are written by the telcom companies. One of Cable's industry standards is DOCSIS which covers standards like quality of service, traffic requirements, equipment, protocols, etc.
FCC Teleco Regulations cover copper - landline - which also support dial-up and DSL as they share the copper and some fiber applications. AT&T's U-verse fiber/optic hybrid is not coverd under under FCC telco regulations. Verizon's FIOS is not covered under the FCC telco regulations. The HSI telcos are rapidly moving to are considered an information service just like Cable.
This will be an interesting battle. Cable definitely changed the game for telcos by offering VoIP. Now telcos are fighting back by offering TV. 2008 will see cable rolling out DOCSIS III which will match FIOS at least in the first couple of generations and be available to more communities. But the capacity of FIOS is higher when fully ramped up. Then cable will have to roll out their next generation service.
One question is what happens to cable/telco TV programming when the broadband they deliver to customers has the capacity to deliver iptv & later HD iptv from any cable/tv broadcast source in the world - how many production companies would like to cut out the middleman cable/broadcast/telco?
No question cable must innovate and provide a new killer ap or service. Telcos felt the writing on the wall with the introduction of VoIP - this was a huge threat to their margins and dominance. They had to enter the cable market. The telcos currently have an advantage with their mobile phone business - the quadruple play service - though cable owns a large spectrum they have not yet launched.
Who will be better at the other person's business - and when cable and telcos are all providing the quadruple play of phone, broadband, tv, and mobile... who will innovate further? Provide the best user interface and service? Align themselves with Google type ad revenues?
In short - what will this all look like in five years? | |
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| Re: Impact on recent 30% Ownership Cable Cap! Right NEBS is an industry standard , something all voice providers should stick to , the cable cos aren't.
Docsis is a cable standard, not a voice standard and video is not as important as voice especially emergency. NEBS standards have held and made land lines as solid as it is today , why should any cable co be exempt ?
If we go to nit pick , every telco can say they are immune since all calls are now at least in part routed over fiber.
No one at this point is willing to cut out the middle man , maybe if there is ever universal broadband coverage , but
I don't see that happening any time soon , especially as we slide ass backwards into this recession. They will need a middle man for quite some time to come.
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Pacifica, CA | Re: Impact on recent 30% Ownership Cable Cap! I would like to find this out as it would be crazy if Comcast started 2008 at over 30% market share with the new regulations. Of course it will all be in court for the next two years before everything is settled. However, what if the courts allowed the FCC rule to be enforced until the case was settled. In the end it looks like cable already won the same case a few years ago and the game has changed so much now - cable competes with telcos, satellite, and even against their own broadband service as more customers watch content online. A recent survey shows 16% if HSI users watch full TV shows online now! 16%!!! It will be really interesting to see what this all looks line in just five years. | |
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| Re: Impact on recent 30% Ownership Cable Cap! »news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-6172636.html
While Comcast said the added subscribers will generate an additional $290 million in cash in 2007, the deal actually makes Comcast smaller in the eyes of the Federal Communications Commission. That could bode well for Comcast, as the FCC considers limiting the amount of multichannel subscribers a cable company can have, Moffett said in his note.
"By shedding the attributed subscribers associated with the deal, Comcast actually contracts by 640,000 subscribers," he said. "This comes at a time when the FCC is once again entertaining (to uncertain ends) a long-dormant 30 percent national multichannel subscriber share cap."
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Suffern, NY | Why Switch Addresses? Why is the change from @insightbb.com to @comcast.net needed at all? Also what happens if user1@insightbb.com can not just be made user1@comcast.com since the latter is ALREADY in use by another current Comcast user? It is MUCH simpler to just keep the old addresses and make them alias (or forward) to the real @comcast.com address. This alias method is what Verizon did/does. I have a banet.net address (from the Bell Atlantic days before Verizon subsumed BA and NYNEX) and it is still usable even though the account is really a verizon.net one. Since the old @insightbb.com address is going to keep working initially, why not just add a .forward (before the flag day) to the insightbb account to send it to the new @comcast address? | |
| |  sansri88digital is herePremium
join:2005-12-17
New York, NY
kudos:1 | Re: Why Switch Addresses? You mean comcast.net, not comcast.com
Comcast.com email addy's are for employees of Comcast. Comcast.net are for HSI customers. | |
| | | RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY | Re: Why Switch Addresses? said by sansri88:You mean comcast.net, not comcast.com Comcast.com email addy's are for employees of Comcast. Comcast.net are for HSI customers. Picky - Picky. Why not answer the question? | |
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·Insight Communic..
| Re: Why Switch Addresses? said by RARPSL:Picky - Picky. Why not answer the question? The answer is really quite simple. When you have one domain that forwards to another the original domain (in this case insightbb.com) takes the bandwidth hit for receiving that message, the storage hit for the message landing on their server and then the outbound bandwidth hit to forward it to user@comcast.net AND they would have to provide support staff for those times that things just don't work right on their end.
Who pays for that? Insight? Comcast? You? You might think that email is a minor part of the bandwidth pie each month and it actually is until you are covering the above costs for customers that are no longer paying you money. Insight would say no as you are no longer paying them. Comcast would say no because they already have their own email infrastructure in place. You would say no because you are already paying Comcast for email service.
Regardless of how minor these expenses would be for Insight they are still a for profit company and eating these types of charges tend to not make investors happy when there is no return anywhere along the way. Sign up for Gmail, Yahoo Mail or something similar. It really is the only way to minimize the risk of your email address having to change in the future. | |
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·Insight Communic..
| said by RARPSL:This alias method is what Verizon did/does. I have a banet.net address (from the Bell Atlantic days before Verizon subsumed BA and NYNEX) and it is still usable even though the account is really a verizon.net one. Since the old @insightbb.com address is going to keep working initially, why not just add a .forward (before the flag day) to the insightbb account to send it to the new @comcast address? Verizon controls that banet.net domain. Not a problem in this case. They can set their servers up any way that they like. They see the same bandwidth hit as if the message had gone to a verizon.net address.
Insight will still have over 600,000 subscribers when this deal is done and they will be keeping their domain to continue to serve their own customers. | |
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| | no changes? we have been insight customers for about 5yrs. we just moved recently and the insight installer was talking to me about the switch and said comcast is keeping all insights equipment. so maybe there wont be no changes. | |
| |  insomniacOh YeahPremium
join:2002-09-22
Naperville, IL
·Comcast
·AT&T Midwest
| Re: no changes? said by mlbisme :
so maybe there wont be no changes. You're right, there "won't be no changes," there will be plenty of changes eventually.
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| |  DotMac4Shill H8rPremium
join:2007-10-26
Huntington Beach, CA | Until you get your bill. | |
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| | Re: First to change. A change is coming all right. The only question is, will the quality of service go down or the price go up first? | |
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·Comcast
| Re: First to change. If the area was run good by a good staff, odds are the price goes up first , then the service quality goes down. At least that is what happened to my city when they bought at&t broadband.
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sansri88digital is herePremium
join:2005-12-17
New York, NY
kudos:1 | Welcome... to Comcastic land! The land of price increases and no additions to HD lineups (at least here)!! | |
| Reviews:
·EPB Fiber Optics
·EPB Fiber Optics
·Comcast
| speeds you better enjoy those speeds at those prices. you wont get shit with comcast. they will take over your nodes, cram them with users, and, well you wont be happy at all.
most comcast HSI customers went through this when Excite aka @HOME folded and comcast took over. when the network was ran by Excite, i was paying 44 a month for HSI and was getting 20 meg down and 1 meg up. now, almost 8 years later, i pay over 50 a month, get 6 meg down, and the upload is a joke. 384 is it.
like i said, you wont get shit. go FIOS or something else if you can. i live too far from the local office for DSL (even though people 3 miles away can get it) and FIOS is never going to happen in TN, so im just screwed and its comcastic.
thanks comcrap! | |
| Reviews:
·AT&T DSL Service
·Virgin Mobile Br..
| shouldn't change email address' they should not change email addresses. For one thing, cable franchises are bought and sold on such a regular basis, who knows how long the Comcast name will last or whether that particular area will be sold when Comcast buys another cable provider. At least AT&T/SBC hasn't forced older users to change email addresses. I still see plenty of pacbell.net addresses around even though SBC (now AT&T) bought out Pacific Bell/Nevada Bell years ago.
Guess it's the only nice thing I can say about AT&T. | |
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·WOW Internet and..
·Time Warner Cable
| Re: shouldn't change email address' SBC/ATT bought PacBell as a whole, Comcast is NOT buying Insight as a whole. just only taking over certain areas they already own. Insight will still be offering services in other areas as Insight but in some areas-like Columbus Ohio they use insight.rr.com some other areas is insightbb.com just depends on the area and why should Insight's side of the business have to cater to Comcast's new customers? they should be made to change their email addresses or why not just use some other email address to begin with since most customers have been sold and bought several times by now from ISP to ISP and have never learned to use Gmail or another webmail provider by now- or hell domains are dirt cheap now to use just for email get something like you@fistnamelastname.com for just email or hell even use the website too. hosting is dirt cheap when you pay for the year upfront.
I don't see the big issue of ISP email anymore with all the free providers and domains being cheap. | |
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| | | Displeased As someone who is in the middle of this.. I am not a happy camper.
Currently getting 10/1 (Paying $35/month) and I know full well that's going to get shredded or the price is going to be jacked up higher than a cat's back when it's scared.
If my speeds change for the worse, I will be looking at a DSL solution.
And I doubt I'll get Boomerang either... course Insight in KY is finally getting it just as I'm being ejected off to Comcast's lap. *spits*
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| | | | Re: Displeased said by crischen:As someone who is in the middle of this.. I am not a happy camper. Currently getting 10/1 (Paying $35/month) and I know full well that's going to get shredded or the price is going to be jacked up higher than a cat's back when it's scared. If my speeds change for the worse, I will be looking at a DSL solution. Same situation here - unfortunately, the BEST DSL solution I can get from AT&T is 1.5 tops, so unless Comcast plans on lowering our speeds down to this, I'll still be stuck with them, as we just do NOT have any other options (other than expensive wireless) around my parts.  | |
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Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| Get ahead of the problem. If enough of you get together in a community to CANCEL THE SERVICE, you can bring your own MUNICIPAL plans to fruition.. Nowhere in the law does it say you *MUST* buy service from a cable or telephone company. There are alternatives..
When there is ** NO COMPETITION **, you can create your own. A nice way to make a cable company or telco compete is to take their customer base away from them. Not just a few thousand, but tens of thousands of subscriptions. | |
|  Titus PulloI came, I saw, I slept
join:2004-06-26
kudos:1 | The only thing insight is bi-yearly price increases.
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| | | | Re: The only thing insight since some of the programming wont change for a little while does that mean i still get to watch the nfl network ? until comcast turns it off ? | |
| | | | | Re: The only thing insight well this sucks!! i have been paying $44.95 ever since i got cable Internet. and that is 5 years now. i wish i could get the same speed for what most of you are paying now!! but this does suck that Comcast will fk us over cause they just got bigger ad will be making out like a fat pig in slop..
and then to down grade our service and raise rates? WTF!!! i need BB and DSL won't cut it, since i play online like 24/7
and DSL peeps get bad lag in servers that are cable. i did not pay this kind of money to be kill by my ISP  now i wish Insight stayed here since i to have call to ask what will happen here for speeds and price and they told me they do not know this either. | |
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| | insight is staying yay! well it looks like we are safe here in lincoln il between peoria and bloomington
we havent gotten any letter or info of any kind pointing to any takeover or change by or to comcast from insight that we have had for a couple/three years
so i am glad
and i read a report released today on another site that says the sale of insight was canceled for at least a while now due to financial issues etc
»www.broadbandinfo.com/news/sale-···old.html
you guys should check it out
here in lincoln we have nothing else except verizon DSL and CCA dial up
i have had verizon and it was the most horrible service i think you can have ever, the worst CSR experiences, the worst everything , i will never use verizon for anything ever again no matter what it is
i hope they die
insight has been AWESOME
the best service EVER
they better not go away
i will be MAD
35 for 10 meg is freaking great, especially out here in small farm town central IL
if insight were to bye bye then i will most likely say bye bye to computers for a while
but it looks like we get to keep insight for at least a while longer yay D | |
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