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| Not Going to Happen Apple knows unless you own the content, or make direct deals independent production companies any Virtual TV service is going nowhere.
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| Re: Not Going to Happen said by Transmaster:Apple knows unless you own the content, or make direct deals independent production companies any Virtual TV service is going nowhere.
People don't get that there are like 50 of these TV boxes and they all do the same thing doesn't matter Google, Apple, Dick, Harry, who evers box. The independent program stuff will not float with the masses they want a box that works exactly like cable but costs less and that will not happen. | |
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| | | Roku is working on a similar deal, but using DishNetwork as a partner. Several other companies are doing the same. It just depends on how you go about doing it and the partners that you use. | |
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| Re: Not Going to Happen said by TBBroadband:Roku is working on a similar deal, but using DishNetwork as a partner. Several other companies are doing the same. It just depends on how you go about doing it and the partners that you use.
Hopefully that doesn't in a mess but it probably will. If you have too many companies gettiing rights to this and that the result will be no one has enough programing to do much of anything. | |
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: There is trouble for the TV industry ahead Especially in an era where the cable company can own the production companies. There as got to be some dirty laundry in those email boxes at the top levels of the company leadership.
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| | | | Re: There is trouble for the TV industry ahead Comcast is the only cable company that owns a studio. CBS doesn't, Sony, Fox, Time Warner Media/Warner Bros. they don't own the last mile any longer. | |
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| Apple had a fair chance to play, they refused to play the right way. They wanted everything for FREE and resell it. Apple was also at the heart of a recent anti-trust issue so I doubt they'll want to bring more attention to their name with the DOJ.
Google's device wasn't meant to become a cable company, but another Roku type of box. And with Google Fiber they play with the content owners.
The reason prices are high is cable companies refuse to stand up. If they really meant what they claimed about standing up for their consumers they wouldn't pay the higher prices for those channels. | |
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| Re: There is trouble for the TV industry ahead It was stated on here several times that Apple did NOT want to pay fair prices for content. And hence why Apple TV never went any where.
And no Apple's current model is to release the same products/devices several times a year with few improvements and lie to the public about them. Other sites have COUNTLESS stories on that happening recently with the iPad products.
A large percentage? Off what 99cents to $5??? that's not very much money at all. Hence the start back of the Apple TV venture that never got off the ground due to Apple.
And it costs content owners ZERO dollars to deliver to the public now- MSOs. | |
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| Re: There is trouble for the TV industry ahead Reports were published from people inside the deals on what Apple wanted. If you refuse to realize and go find them yourself, that's on you. I'm not going to argue that. But, yes Apple wants everything for free. How do you think they got the DOJ called in on them?? They went and got those publishers deals that were considered anti-trust and were smacked for it. If there was no wrong doing, then they would NEVER have been investigated along with those publishers. That got LESS by Apple than Amazon got- if you go read the full reports for actual news sites and not blogs.
Percentages don't count on content. You do realize that right? Instead you PAY PER CUSTOMER. The same Apple should do. Netflix does it. MSOs have been doing it for YEARS. HBO wants $10 per month per customer, then they should get $10 per month per customer. If Apple does not want to pay that, then HBO should have the right to tell Apple to screw off. The Gov't has no right butting into private business unless the content owner has breached contract, like in the Buckeye Cablevision vs RayCom/American Spirit case currently in federal court. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: There is trouble for the TV industry ahead There is ZERO evidence to support Apple wanted, expected or demanded free content. Zero.
Percentages of gross revenue don't count on content? LOL. Okay. Enjoy your New Year evening. | |
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West Tenness | Only works if you're willing to spend big No one has the cash or if the do the balls to do it. The content guys are afraid of the new ways only LOTS of cash will get them over their fear. For example Netflix could get movies before HBO, Showtime etc instead of 10 years or more later if they coughed up the cash. For example if say Netflix offered $100 million for the rights to have the Dark Knight Rises( I know totally ridiculous price ) first, Warner Bros would take that money and run with it.
The point being until the new ways pay as much if not more than the old ways these companies are going to go very gingerly into the new ways. Which means waiting a decade or more before they finally see the light. | |
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| TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
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| Re: Only works if you're willing to spend big said by BF69:
The point being until the new ways pay as much if not more than the old ways these companies are going to go very gingerly into the new ways. Which means waiting a decade or more before they finally see the light.
Bingo!!!!! 
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| said by BF69:No one has the cash or if the do the balls to do it. The content guys are afraid of the new ways only LOTS of cash will get them over their fear. For example Netflix could get movies before HBO, Showtime etc instead of 10 years or more later if they coughed up the cash. For example if say Netflix offered $100 million for the rights to have the Dark Knight Rises( I know totally ridiculous price ) first, Warner Bros would take that money and run with it.
The point being until the new ways pay as much if not more than the old ways these companies are going to go very gingerly into the new ways. Which means waiting a decade or more before they finally see the light.
Apple, Google, Microsoft, plus the sum of Netflix, Amazon and Sony - any of them have the cash and the guts. But they aren't that stupid.
None of the major players have reason to try to shrink the pie. Any move off the current paradigm has to result in greater profits and more revenue overall, or there is no point investing in it.
Just because the technology has moved forward, and we *can* have a virtual jukebox of content, doesn't mean we have the right to it at a lower price point. | |
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| | | | Re: Only works if you're willing to spend big and Apple is too greedy to do anything with the crash. Instead they'd rather obtain it for free and resell it.
Google won't do it and MSFT would rather be a STB company. | |
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| | Download caps will get in the way Download caps will get in the way
that caps are there so you buy TV from your ISP. | |
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| BF69Premium
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West Tenness | Re: Download caps will get in the way Depends. We've never gone of 250 GB. And that included a month where my son watched the first 4 seasons of Break Bad on Netflix back to back and other streaming. And another month where he downloaded 60 GB worth of games off of Steam. | |
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| | | | Re: Download caps will get in the way And if not download caps, then the carriers could throttle the services to the point where they are unusable and say it is necessary due to "network congestion". | |
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| | | | | Re: Download caps will get in the way and you can launch your own ISP as well. www.ikano.com | |
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| | not helping... with new bandwidth caps for all providers... this will just end up costing consumers more money.
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| | Solution: Inexpensive Flat Screen If Intel were asking me how to do it, I wouldn't talk about access to premium content or the interface.
I would make a simple suggestion. Make a flat screen TV at a low cost. That's the solution in a nutshell. We don't need "Smart TVs", we just need a big screen.
If they wanted to add more, another simple solution, make it open, allow the user to install their own operating system and applications. Then people that like Linux would install that, people that like Windows could install that, people that like Apple OSX could hack that onto the device - that's real consumer choice.
Call it the Wall PC and sell a ton... | |
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| | Virtual TV The most effective way for Intel, Google, Apple or any other IP-based service to scale tv's walled garden is to partner with the mso's vs competing with them. Sure, they might be able to nibble around the edges by launching virtual services that offer a hybrid line-up of content and more robust, cloud-based UI's...but there's no reason they shouldn't just integrate the IP services offered mso's to fill the commercial-grade content gaps. Apple pioneered this model in the mobile space when it forged the first carrier deal, so there's decent precedent for establishing a similar approach with TV providers. Rather than the silo'd (and very fragmented) approaches we have today, partnering would also allow the industry to deliver more uniform, integrated services that offer consumers more freedom of choice. Especially now that most cable and satellite providers are pushing (authenticated) linear channels over IP, there's no reason these channels shouldn't be accessible via the device of your choice...whether it be xBox, LG, Samsung, AppleTV, Intel, Roku...or even newer, cooler stuff we've yet to see. As long as the content is authenticated (just like cell service is authenticated for iPhone)...the rest is just UI and branding. Time will tell... | |
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| | Intel can't get the contracts either »online.wsj.com/article_email/SB1···yWj.html
The same road blocks for Intel will kill their efforts.
It's at least pleasing to see one huge lobby (tech) taking on another huge lobby (media). Perhaps in the end both lobbies will fall to the will of consumers... one can only hope. | |
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