Intel's WiMax Hype Machine Grinds To A Halt From revolution to also ran... Mobile WiMax certainly isn't dead, but given recent events it wouldn't be distasteful to send the technology a get well soon card. International support is wavering, most global telcos are supporting LTE, and even U.S. WiMax poster child Clearwire is planning on LTE trials. That doesn't mean Mobile WiMax can't survive as a promising niche solution, but primary (as in more than $1.2 billion) backer Intel's predictions that WiMax would be a dominant player are fading fast. The Financial Times explores how Intel's dealing with the news: "I think many service providers are still going to look at WiMax as the best technology and I think WiMax absolutely has a lifespan that’s going to continue," said Julie Coppernoll, Intel’s director of WiMax. "I do see LTE and WiMax coexisting; 10 years from now there will ideally be two technologies." . . We’ve never said it will be the only solution, we’ve said it will be a timely solution." Actually, if we remember correctly, back when we were trying to temper some of Intel's hype back in 2004, Intel actually said WiMax was going to be "the most important thing since the Internet itself."
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| Clear & LTE Clear would be smart to use LTE but not base their entire network off it. If they put LTE up in some of their more rural areas where the Telco's won't focus they'll be able to collect that roaming revenue along side of their actual current WiMax network. It's a win win for both of them. Especially in areas where T, VZ and surely TMO USA won't deploy. Roaming revenue is what keeps the companies going and why they keep their older networks running. like VZ and their GSM networks they bought. Just to collect that $$$ from TMO and T.
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1 edit | Re: Clear & LTE i know. I did NOT say anything about Alltel though. VZ has other GSM properties due to buying of other carriers. And most of those customers stayed with Alltel the others that did NOT went to ATT. | |
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Milledgeville, GA | Tuesday evening link = Thursday morning news? We get it. WiMax is dead and buried, beaten by a technology that you can't even purchase yet. Of course, in our local market, WiMax has been live for a year now while LTE products are still in the design phase.
BTW, we actually have two WiMax companies in town -- Clear and Open Range. The only problem they both have is neither hits outside the city limits where broadband is slower and sometimes not available at all. I know they shoot for the most customers per POP but it's the rural areas that will jump at the chance to leave dialup, DSL stuck at 1.5 meg, or an overloaded cable node.
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| Re: Tuesday evening link = Thursday morning news? and that is why WiMax has licenses starting at $250 to get more and more companies to build out the network. Open Range is a HUGE WiMax provider just like Clear. I'd like to see the 2 merge. They'd have one HUGE ass network.
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kudos:1 | said by MooJohn:We get it. WiMax is dead and buried, beaten by a technology that you can't even purchase yet. Of course, in our local market, WiMax has been live for a year now while LTE products are still in the design phase. Wimax is like the power company trying to introduce 70 hz power because its supposedly more efficient. Not going to happen. Most of the world runs off GSM, and there is a huge amount of back office and client hardware for it. Just like tommorrow we wont see 70 hz power, Wimax has no enertia in mass networks, its only niche is small dozen or less towers systems, since Wimax has lower IP costs. | |
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| Re: Tuesday evening link = Thursday morning news? the Niche is that WiMax is here. LTE is not even out of the lab yet. There are no devices available nor will there be any time soon. VZ can hype their network all they want, they still don't have one nor any devices to go with it. WiMax is a main player and will be until T and TMO get their 4G network out and start building. T has said LTE, TMO said the same but who know what they will be using in 3-4 maybe 5 years from now. They're could be something better. TMO could very well move to WiMax and with Sprint. Nobody knows what the future is going to have as far as LTE and Wimax.
If it wasn't for WiMax many areas wouldn't have HSI. Open Range is a HUGE ISP offering HSI to many rural areas on WiMax. And thanks to Sprint and Clear we actually have a 4G wireless data network that can actually be used.
LTE? Yep! it's in the lab still and will be for another good 6+ months.
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kudos:4 |  Intel redirecting $ to gaining share mobile devices
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| Re: Intel redirecting $ to gaining share mobile devices the telcos maybe pushing for LTE but Wimax is still here. More and more Indie ISPs will move to WiMax only because its there and its available for them to use and its not wifi. WiMax isn't going anywhere and Intel know it. They're just trying to get the cheap POS Atoms out on the market.
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| | | | | Re: Intel redirecting $ to gaining share mobile devices I am current using NetX Internet a local provider in Cleveland who has been using WiMax and is growing. More Independent ISPs and Vertical markets will continue to use WiMax , so as an available technology I don't see it going anywhere. I think that Intel should have built it in to centrino 2 if they wanted to expand into mobile. | |
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| | It's more like cable/dsl, not blueray/hd-dvd It's odd that most think only one can exist. This isn't like blueray/hd-dvd, where it is best for one to win out. Cable and DSL are separate industries just as are 3GPP and IEEE. WiMAX is IEEE and will continue down that path. LTE is 3GPP and will continue down that path.
There won't be any benefit from everyone going LTE because...
- LTE is on so many bands (over a dozen) that there won't be global roaming anyway. WiMAX has a better chance to roam globally as it's mostly on only 3 bands.
- Telcom has much more strict control compared to WiMAX, meaning WiMAX would likely have more consumer electronic products as CE makers are tied into IEEE. They just need to drop in a pre-approved WiMAX chipset. To get onto LTE, devices will be under telcom industry control. Do you really want that?
Now Sprint should eventually convert CDMA spectrum to LTE (5+ years) but hopefully Clear will stick with WiMAX for the long haul. It makes sense for them to test LTE in case they want to expand (or switch), but the LTE interest doesn't at all spell demise for WiMAX as it is already deployed covering about 600M in the world and will hit 1B this year if India is still on board. India and Clear will be key to keeping WiMAX as a major player, otherwise it will then likely become just a niche. Saying WiMAX is niche is like saying cable modem is niche, or DSL is niche. They are simply two different industries. | |
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| Re: It's more like cable/dsl, not blueray/hd-dvd I don't see Sprint going to LTE. They're money is behind WiMax and as far as testing; it would make sense for a roaming technology for others; like TMO and T.
But I agree with you otherwise. They'll both be here but WiMax does have its advantage now as being in the customer's hand and with 2 phones on the market and more and more data cards coming out with Sprint, it's not going anywhere. Sprint and Clear will keep that baby alive and going.
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| | | | | Re: It's more like cable/dsl, not blueray/hd-dvd When there is an LTE voice standard, I'd bet that Sprint does eventually convert CDMA to LTE as CDMA does not have a future strategic path. CDMA will be around for many years but Qualcom is making it easier to switch to LTE. I'd be very surprised if Sprint isn't going LTE on 1900Mhz band in 5 or so years. Since Tmob also likely will pursue LTE by then on 1900 band, I wouldn't be surprised if the two merge by then.
Clear will need more investment from the cable industries in WiMAX and not depend on Sprint to support them. If CableCo's want mobile access, they are better off with WiMAX (IEEE, which they are indirectly tied into anyway) than to be under the reigns of the telcom industry (3GPP). The CableCo's probably control the future of WiMAX as a major player in the US. If they stop investing, WiMAX will then likely become a niche as it gives reason for Clear to switch to LTE. | |
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| Re: It's more like cable/dsl, not blueray/hd-dvd Wimax could do a voice standard as well. they could do VoIP all the way on the network. TMO has no plans on moving anytime soon so they could still do Wimax and still merge without a problem.
I don't see DT getting rid of TMO USA since it is still their cash cow. I could see TMO USA and TD taking Sprint though.
The only way Clear will not depend on Sprint is if Sprint sells their stake and Clear can pick up a few more national resellers of their service. Maybe CableVision, Bright House, WOW? They need some HUGE resellers or investors to help pick up what Sprint would stop giving them. Clear also depends on them for their own data which they'd still have to pay them. TMO and Sprint could do dual phones. LTE and WiMax which would work out. The same as GSM and CDMA a phones. Two networks 1 carrier. I can also see Sprint picking up Cricket and moving them into their family of companies and pushing all of their prepaid customers over to WiMax to get start trimming the CDMA and iDEN networks. They could also push them all under one brand and be done with it, instead of having Boost Mobile- iDEN and CDMA, Virgin mobile and what ever else they own.
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| | | | | | | Re: It's more like cable/dsl, not blueray/hd-dvd I wonder if Sprint would ever let go of >50% Clear. I'm not sure but I think Sprint still 'owns' the spectrum, which is hugely valuable. If Sprint does become under 50% owner of Clear, I would think that Sprint would then lease that spectrum to Clear and not 'sell' it to them. Not sure of the arrangements though. | |
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| Re: It's more like cable/dsl, not blueray/hd-dvd I think that Sprint still owns most of that spectrum. The only thing that they did was put the Xhom, the spectrum and then what resources they had on their already small but being built network.
If I was Sprint or even Dan, there is no way I would let go of that take. I don't think the BoD or shareholders would do it either. Sprint needs the Clear network in order to start off loading their current CDMA and iDEN networks. When they intergrate voice by VoIP they'll be able to do it more and more but not until they are able to build out WiMax even more and offer lower price 4g data/voice phones. Without offering the phones at a lower price (entry phones) Sprint will NEVER be able to fully change over.
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Canonsburg, PA | said by xenophon:- LTE is on so many bands (over a dozen) that there won't be global roaming anyway. WiMAX has a better chance to roam globally as it's mostly on only 3 bands. Not only that but anyone who converts from mobile WiMAX to LTE will probably choose Time Division Duplex LTE introducing another incompatibility to roaming. The proponents of LTE are counting on TDD LTE to marginalize WiMAX but with most LTE being Frequency Division Duplex is that really wise? | |
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| | selling off XScale a strategic mistake? Was it a huge strategic mistake to sell off XScale to Marvell?
Of course Intel wants to push their own x86 IP, but the legacy weight and inefficiency of the instruction set is a huge road-block to a lower power envelope.
Even DEC saw some value getting into ARM, for a mainframe/mini-computer company. | |
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