  P NessYou'Ve Forgotten 9-11 AlreadyPremium
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way way out | Wonderful.... Great and people wonder why they pay more and more for education to have super fast pipes that are 15% or less utilized...lol
i don't get it, why is money spent on this?
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1 edit | Re: Wonderful.... Doesn't make sense for them to deploy NxOC48 pipes and have to upgrade them ever few months (logistics, installation costs, etc). A 10G pipe at 15% allows for growth through the year+. Also note, on a layer 3 protected network you have to ensure you can capacity manage traffic during any failure condition. | |
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|  MoropoPremium
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Miami | Hmmm any technological advance is useful. Go to the news item below this one and you will see people complaining they'd like 100Mbps pipes. Let the .edu's have the Gbps pipes because inevitably it will set a precedent that it can be done.
Internet and Internet2 are two different things but the idea remains intact:
"You can never have too much bandwidth"
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| |  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | Re: Wonderful.... said by Moropo:Hmmm any technological advance is useful. Go to the news item below this one and you will see people complaining they'd like 100Mbps pipes. Let the .edu's have the Gbps pipes because inevitably it will set a precedent that it can be done. Internet and Internet2 are two different things but the idea remains intact: "You can never have too much bandwidth" .edu's get my support on this. Like it says on my tagline. one can never be too rich, too thin or have too much bandwidth.
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|  N3OGHCertified GLG-20Premium
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The original internet was largely under utilized when it was new. It eventually led to the network we have today.
You can't start plugging experimental stuff into what has evolved into a "mission critical" piece of infrastructure like our current internet.
If Internet 2 goes down, the only people who care are some college professors, a couple of college students and the folks building it.
It gives them some leeway in experimenting on the technology we will be using in the future.
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| | | | Re: Wonderful.... the way its going we will be dead before we even see 100meg's on average | |
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| | | | | Re: Wonderful.... yes.....but your great-great grandchildren will still be using the 100 year old copper thats in your house via AT&T. The only difference will be where AT&T is outsourced to, maybe Chad, Zaire, Myanmar?
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| Re: Wonderful.... said by S_engineer:yes.....but your great-great grandchildren will still be using the 100 year old copper thats in your house via AT&T. The only difference will be where AT&T is outsourced to, maybe Chad, Zaire, Myanmar? Naa, not me. Verizon is digging holes in my neighborhood.
The Fios is nigh....
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| bmn? ? ?Premium,ExMod 2003-06
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hiatus | said by P Ness:i don't get it, why is money spent on this? Do some digging into some of the research that is being done and you'll see why the need for this network exists. For example, the LIGO project that is being run in SE Louisiana uses massive amounts of bandwidth when they are performing observations (IIRC, at least 100mbps). Now imagine all of the projects like it (radio astronomy, particle physics, etc.) around the world and you can see why the bandwidth is needed. It may not be needed all of the time, but when projects and experiments are running, they need enough capacity for them all.
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| |  sporkmedrop the crantini and move it, sisterPremium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ | Re: Wonderful.... said by bmn:[ For example, the LIGO project that is being run in SE Louisiana uses massive amounts of bandwidth when they are performing observations (IIRC, at least 100mbps). Now imagine all of the projects like it (radio astronomy, particle physics, etc.) around the world and you can see why the bandwidth is needed. It may not be needed all of the time, but when projects and experiments are running, they need enough capacity for them all. Bah. Science is for liberals. Intelligence is overrated. All professors are liberals.
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| | | | | Re: Wonderful.... said by sporkme:said by bmn:[ For example, the LIGO project that is being run in SE Louisiana uses massive amounts of bandwidth when they are performing observations (IIRC, at least 100mbps). Now imagine all of the projects like it (radio astronomy, particle physics, etc.) around the world and you can see why the bandwidth is needed. It may not be needed all of the time, but when projects and experiments are running, they need enough capacity for them all. Bah. Science is for liberals. Intelligence is overrated. All professors are liberals. Put 'em all on dialup. I hope you're joking; I resent that statement....I have a deep love for science and I'm nowhere near liberal......as for professors being liberal? Pshh, sure, a lot, but you still have conservative/libertarian/constitutionalist/etc professors too. | |
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Austin, TX | Tuitions don't pay for Internet2. | |
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| | | Because the world govt. can't control the flow of information on the current internet but can and willing able on the intro of the newest one......it's a war for our mind »www.infowars.com  | |
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Whittier, AK | What happened to upper midwest region? Looks like they skipped all universities in those states.
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| MoropoPremium
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Miami | Re: What happened to upper midwest region? Or florida. | |
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Miami | Re: What happened to upper midwest region? It shows Florida International University (Miami) is hooked, which is my college. Didnt know it. | |
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Philly burbs
kudos:1 | Re: What happened to upper midwest region? My Alma Mater Widener University is also hooked up.
Cool to see such a relatively "small" school participating.
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Suffern, NY | Deliberately not bypassed so that the Florida SPAM Factories do not have even more bandwidth to SPAM via.  | |
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join:2002-11-27
Dunnellon, FL
2 edits | You are going to find that major Universities, Scientific installations and Gov't offices are going to be on I-2. Where I work at, we supposedly have a pair of OC lines for a total of 20Gb of sustained transfer. An edge router and peering algorithm takes care of which packet sputters off to where. On days when the regular Internet is congested and slow, firing up FTP or WWW to a University hosting the files I need usually sees them coming down the pipe as fast as it can squeak through the edge, ATM loop between two buildings on a GBIC fired link can do. On bad days? about 10-15mb/sec transfer rate direct to my personal workstation. Good days you may peak at about 85% of what a full duplex 100mb Ethernet on copper can do for you. (We still have to play nice with other network traffic that is aggregated in switch closets on the way to and from that fiber loop and edge router. ;3 )
Edit: Grammatical shiznat - never notice them until you post, eh?
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Detroit, MI | In Mighigan MSU, U of M, EMU and Wayne State university paid for and installed a OC 192 upgrade Fiber ring that connects U of M to MSU and University of Chicargo with the other schools connecting utilizing Fiber pairs that are. | |
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Duluth, GA | Internet2: 100Gbps ..and yet 100Mbps Is a Pipe Dream. Interesting.
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|  MSaukMSaukPremium
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Sandy, UT | Re: Internet2: 100Gbps poor qwest communications lol geez can't catch a break. Behind the times as usual
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And in a year or two, they will be 80 40Gig and 80 100Gig wavelengths.
So I'm not really sure why this is being treated as a big deal for the Internet2, when it's available to companies on the "regular" Internet right now. | |
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Cheyenne, WY
1 edit | Wow I remember the first university backbone, a hot-cha-moo-cha-cha 300 baud. in the early '70's we thought we were really cooking.
When you are interconnecting super computers (SC) and setting up remote access to them 100Gbps is really needed. This will save a bunch of money in the long term universities can go together and set up regional Super Computer centers in very secure locations, perhaps deep underground in Salt mines and such.
What a minute isn't this how the Terminator thing got started? 
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| | Peering... Cool! Never knew that kansas city was a major peering point [West to East USA connect] for Internet2!
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Wichita, KS
kudos:1 | Re: Peering... said by bctrainers:Cool! Never knew that kansas city was a major peering point [West to East USA connect] for Internet2! I am curious to where the actual building is that houses this.
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| | | | Re: Peering... Pretty close to I-435 and Roe. | |
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Bloom County | Looks like my Alma Mater is also... connected - Wright State University... | |
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