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| Re: Long Overdue Im of the ilk that knows Bush is too stupid to come up with plans, or, "strateegerize" wiretaps, war for oil and the like. I also think he is too stupid to know what "evil" is and how to act accordingly.
I don't buy this guy's estimate of less then 100 people in the Fatherlan, err, Homeland being actively spied on; too vague, best if he didn't throw out a number from his ass. Too much evidence to the contrary, plus we don't know if he meant "to-date" or how many in the past have been spied on.
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| Re: Long Overdue said by FiL  :I don't buy this guy's estimate of less then 100 people in the Fatherlan, err, Homeland being actively spied on; too vague, best if he didn't throw out a number from his ass. Too much evidence to the contrary, plus we don't know if he meant "to-date" or how many in the past have been spied on. Please cite your evidence comrade. | |
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| said by pnh102 :We haven't had a "Bush is Evil" article in awhile. Don't worry it's still early.  | |
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| said by pnh102 :We haven't had a "Bush is Evil" article in awhile. Just so long as you yourself aren't one of the 100 it's okay, right? | |
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Long Overdue If it is only 100 then Bush isn't being evil enough.
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Fairfield, OH | Re: Long Overdue I really don't understand what you're driving at. You can't justify Constitutional violations by limiting their scope. A scope of one is still a violation and should be treated as harshly as if everyone's rights were violated. | |
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| Do you support the President, or do you hate America? I can't believe they are still pushing this crap about making America safe as a reason for everything. Evidence that people are starting to wise up is evident when you now say the mess we made must go on or its just going to be Vietnam all over again. Why don't we just pull the race card, its just as irrelevant to the situations these comparisons are usually used in.
You can only guilt people into supporting things for so long. Someday they'll have to see some results.
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| Re: I agree 100% with McConnell said by LiamJunket :I agree 100% with McConnell of course you do
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| said by LiamJunket :I agree 100% with McConnell That's what pays the big bucks, right? | |
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| It's always difficult.. It's always difficult to get a warrant when your need for the warrant is based solely on the religion or birth nation of the person.
It's amazing to me that anyone from this nation would say that judicial oversight is to heavy of a burden to deal with and it's just much easier to violate someone's rights. Of course it is, that doesn't make it right and for even making a statement like that he should be fired from his job. Constitutional protections being violated should receive harsh punishments for those involved. We have engaged in hand slapping far too long, and this goes all the way down to the criminal level. It shouldn't be ok for evidence of a crime or guilt to be suppressed because of the actions of government officials or officers, what makes sense is to harshly punish (jail terms) those who violate constitutional rights. This should apply all the way up the chain including the president and congress. | |
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Tulsa, OK | Re: It's always difficult.. Stupid U.S. Constitution! Limiting Government power and abuse, how retarded... | |
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| said by rahvin112 :It's amazing to me that anyone from this nation would say that judicial oversight is to heavy of a burden to deal with and it's just much easier to violate someone's rights. Especially when that judicial oversight is basically a rubber stamp (FISA tends to approve nearly any wiretap request) and can be sought 72 hours AFTER the wiretap begins. | |
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because the FISA process is busted we should just abandon all oversight right... ad absurdium..
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Belvidere, NJ | Re: McConnell to English Translation: You forgot the big one, Marco:
Fear. Big Stinkin' Fear. It's your duty as a Good Citizen.
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| Re: McConnell to English Translation: said by TScheisskopf :You forgot the big one, Marco: Fear. Big Stinkin' Fear. It's your duty as a Good Citizen. Oh, I hear the chocolate ration has been raised this month. Good one, Scheisskopf.
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| said by TScheisskopf :You forgot the big one, Marco: Fear. Big Stinkin' Fear. It's your duty as a Good Citizen. Oh, I hear the chocolate ration has been raised this month. Der Bushlers propaganda machine is now running on all eight cylinders. The evidence is overwhelming.
Any word, when Der Bushlers state controlled and run media broadcast center (print, television) will be operational?
Would be better to hear the next fear rumor straight from the horses ass.
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| Re: McConnell to English Translation: Oh hell...Rowdy Roddy Piper showed some real acting chops in that one. Of course, one did not expect him to break into a Shakespearian solillquy at any point in the movie, but had he stuck with it, he could have given Kevin Spacey a run for his money for the role of Keyser Soze, for instance.
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Which one do you like better: Adolf W. Bush or George W. Hitler?
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Westminster, MD | Re: And the next thing ya know... [BQUOTE=BellBoy
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4 edits | Finest Fear Mongering Around My magic Rocks protects your from tigers. How do I know. Well ive never seen a Tiger in the U.S. It must work I tell you. Why must you question my veracity and credibility. If I tell you something just believe me. What do you have to lose.... It's only your freedoms? Who cares a bout those anyways.
Now to a serious tone. Terrorism, while a problem, is a lot of smoke and mirrors by politicians. While one should never tolerate people killing others, history is full of a lot worse. First off, every sect / religion has constantly murdered the other for eons. The Christians Slaughtered the Muslims in the Crusades. The Nazis (Hitler being a Catholic) slaughtered the Jews. The Jews started the 7 day war with the Muslims in violation of the Nato Treaty. Their intent was to acquire more land for Israel and kick out the Muslims from Jerusalem. Hence, stabbing themselves in the foot by being officially unrecognized by countries like Egypt for many years. Years later, the Serbs killed 100,000 Muslim men, women, children in the Serbian War... Today, we have Muslims killing people in their holy war. The problem we see here is more bigotry than not. In all the above cases, people wrote it off as part of history. Yet, some reason, those damn Muslims are out to kill everyone. Wrong. Newsflash.
First, throughout history, the muslims have NOT been the aggressors in most cases. Second, if you break down the deaths in the U.S. due to terrorism, you are going to feel stupid for trading your rights. Let's figure 5000 people died from 9/11 (3000 there), School Shootings, Oklahoma City, Abortion Clinics, etc. over the last 20 years. That breaks down to around 250 deaths a year. Now, lets look at the U.S. Murder rate. 20-22,000 people die annually. Your odds 100x more likely to be a victim of crime than terrorism. Not to mention, historically speaking, you got more of a chance to be a victim of the Christian Religious Right than Muslim Terrorism. So lets get of the bandwagon of stupidity and stop letting politicians strip our rights. Every idiot who thinks this solves something is the epitome of being UNAMERICAN. After all Franklin said it best. Those who trade liberties for security deserve neither. IF you dare trade your rights for such a small chance of violence, you are a FOOL. Go look at history and the murder rate and compare that to Terrorism as I said above. You'll feel quite stupid for listening to the politicians who'd have you believe otherwise for their own political gains. | |
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| It's not just W There's a LOT of power hungry politicians. Of course, the majority of the abuse of power and loss of freedom comes from politicians greed. That's right - wave enough incentive in front of someone and they'll forget the people they are supposed to represent.
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1 edit | Re: It's not just W You really think any one of the candidates out now will say no I don't want that power? They'll get into office see the daily briefings and say WOW we need to monitor more people. Pandora's box is now open we will never see less monitoring in this nation. Now the monitoring maybe more discreet or even unknown but never less.
The congress proved it when they were elected this last cycle and what changes have they enacted that they promised? None as long as the pockets on both sides of the isle are being lined by corporations who care more about the bottom line than their country things will be business as usual. | |
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| said by ramsfansam :Hopefully, in 2008, a cadidate for the White House will grow some big brass ones and lead this nation back to greatness. Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. And then you woke up.
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1 edit | said by ramsfansam :Hopefully, in 2008, a cadidate for the White House will grow some big brass ones and lead this nation back to greatness. That will never happen in your lifetime. It may never happen again ever. This country will lose it's own name before it becomes "great" again. Why? Because of one reason. Those who have all the power at the very top, above the white house, above the law, above common citizens, the top 1-2% that keep gaining more and more power exponentially every year while everyone else slowly lose more and more.
The day the top 2% percent give up their extreme wealth, power and strangle hold of every self-serving direction this nation forces it's people into, that will be the day that recovery may have a chance to begin (but that's nowhere in sight). Everyone already knows that once you/they have it all the last thing you/they are going to do is let it go, instead you/they will want MORE. Psychopaths just don't know any other way to live. A sick breed of sub-humans indeed.
All there is left to do now is to sit back and enjoy the greatest show (of self-destruction) you never knew you were a part of. It's kind of like that little frog slowly boiling in that pot of hot water.... | |
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| Did anyone read the original interview? Has a single person read or even scanned the original interview in the El Paso Times newspaper? Mr. McConnell says (boldface is mine):
"Now the second part of the issue was under the president's program, the terrorist surveillance program, the private sector had assisted us. Because if you're going to get access you've got to have a partner and they were being sued. Now if you play out the suits at the value they're claimed, it would bankrupt these companies. So my position was we have to provide liability protection to these private sector entities. So that was part of the request."
OK, the private sector was / is obviously AT&T, Verizon and a few more. Instead of just constantly blasting "W," I wonder if the carriers cooperated for free, were paid to cooperate or were "strong armed" into doing something they really didn't want to do ... as the decision to do so had to most likely come from their CEO or maybe even the board of directors. | |
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| Suggested Immunity Companies who facilitate spying on U.S. citizens inside the United States are not entitled to immunity. Rather, Congress should make such conduct a felony, and corporate managers behind the policy should be severely punished. A cozy relationship between those in power and large corporations is one brick in the foundation of a police state. The Nazis never could have succeeded without the help of Krupp Arms. | |
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| Same Old Same Old Good to see the Kook left fringe of the Country is alive and well. I don't know what's funnier, the outright paranoia or we must make all the B@$(*&s pay for daring to look our way. Give me a break. If the stuff you were all talking about was done in WW2. Lets just say you would be in the next camp trading sake recipes with the neighboring camp. | |
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| Just once... I would like you whiners to radiate more light than heat.
It's painfully easy to stand at a distance and criticize. But step up to the plate just once and offer some workable solutions.
Not the chaos from the anarchy in your head but real workable solutions that others can follow.
In the meantime if you hate this country so badly, I'm sure there's no end of people who'll step right up and buy you a one-way ticket to the anywhere else of your choice. But there's only one catch... it has to be a third world dictatorship.
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| Bongs and Dildos It's a form of liberal self-flattery to think Big Brother is after the digital transmissions regarding everyone's narcissistic wanna-be porno behavior, meth-snorting and pot-smoking. Any federal employees out there? Do you have the time at your job to worry about stupid crap that happens thousands of times every day that the staties and locals are/should be taking care of? No. If you do, then you're either NOT a federal employee, or are a statistician, a liar, or a bureaucratic idiot. Perhaps all of the above. Do your freaking job... Seriously. It's the same with intelligence folks.
I do all sorts of crap online. Plenty of it is probably considered 'illegal" under the current regime of corporate lobbyists controlling the Congress, but that's not certain until a court determines it. And as we all know (or should by now) the sheer volume of traffic makes it extraordinarily hard to enforce the MPAA and RIAA bullshit. The NSA has a hell of a filtering task before them, all day, every day. Every time you joke on the phone about Mahmud Delivering The Package, it sucks up a tiny bit of processing. That's what HPCs are for, not for hunting down vegetarians by zealots who make normal Christians like me look bad.
6 freaking YEARS after Sept. 11 and there has not been so much as a CAR BOMB in the US. Do you know how easy it is to make an ANFO bomb? And there are much easier types than ammonium nitrate and fuel oil! A teenager could do it. You don't need some freaking cell of 4 guys; trust me. People in other nations do not take this for granted. Some whiney Americans do.
The NSA has saved more lives then you know. As former Director Hayden (I think it was him) stated, "We're used to talking about what we do on the History Channel, not in the public now." Remember all the liberal bullshit about Julius and Ethel Rosenberg? "Oh, maybe they were innocent! How can you know if the evidence is never revealed!?!?" Boo hoo. Go to the National Cryptologic Museum in Maryland now, look at the intercepts, and shut your liberal pie-hole.
I can't wait for the Democrats to take over. They'll just be better liars about how they keep up the domestic surveillance. No? Then will it be that the liberals will STFU about it because it's "their" people? You think the Dems will stop doing it?? Then let the domestic deaths start anew! Then maybe people will quit their constant bitching and fondly recall the Good Ol' Days of that Texas simpleton, just like all other politicians, who actually got better grades in college than Kerry did (read the Boston Globe article where they try to spin it like Kerry was a better student despite more D marks if you want a good hoot).
The NSA has saved more American and other ECHELON/UKUSA lives than any of us will ever know.
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1 edit | Re: Bongs and Dildos You my friend are a fool. No attacks on the U.S. since Bush? Well hell, they don't come every day captain obvious. 3000 Dead under Bush's Failure / Cia Failure wasn't enough? Holy crap, it was the worst attack on the U.S. to date. Even Oklahoma City and the First WTC paled in comparison. You see the new thing about the CIA ignoring the signs that could have prevented it? Once again, its still a lot of smoke and mirrors. It's not as if these things are regular occurrence. Once again, you got a loads more chances of being hit by a car, robbed, shot, or even murdered than dying by a terrorist attack. It's fear mongering to strip our rights. How do you know what the NSA does or does not do. Do you work for them? Obviously, fools like yourself DON'T watch the news. How many LAPTOPS, Social Security Numbers, Identities have been stolen and misplaced by the government in recent years? Do you for one moment believe that your information is safe, when they can't even secure the most basic amounts of data? Hence, we now have the NSA mining all sorts, and who is to see what happens with it all? You my friend are whats known as an IDIOT. You speak without thinking and do without sense. People like you are the sole reason we're in this mess. Trust everything, question nothing mentality. Big Brother knows best.
On an Aside Note, I guess the baseball player flying his plane into a building should have proved we're not immune such acts. These smoke and mirror legislations do nothing. We're damn lucky that it was an accident and not some idiot filling his plane with explosives. It just goes to show, you've given your rights up for nothing. People who are intent on causing harm can always find a way around things. His accident served as a perfect reminder. | |
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