Investor: Fios Is Doomed'This is the beginning of the end for FiOS' ( old news - 11:08AM Friday Dec 15 2006) tags: Fiber · business · Op/EdOp/Ed Verizon shares are falling, and it's believed that investor nervousness about Fios deployment investment is the reason. Near-sighted and myopic investors generally aren't keen on Fios, because it lacks immediate returns for their portfolios - even if the long-term FTTH vision (if not FiosTV) is obviously the right one for a phone-turned-data company. Some "excess inventory," a recent FiosTV rate hike and the retirement of Fios architect Larry Babbio has Wall Street's gossip hens apparently all aflutter. You could take those things as unrelated events (which they are), or you could lump them together in a bizarre stretch of logic and assume it's the end of the Fios world. "This is the beginning of the end for FiOS," one (wisely) anonymous "DC-based telecom investment veteran" tells the Street. "Verizon has underperformed AT&T - because of their foolish decision to throw money at a small and shrinking part of their overall business," he says. The Street.com's patience is equally non-existent: "One disappointment for investors has been the failure of FiOS to vanquish cable rivals like Comcast, whose shares have soared this year, driven by hefty user gains." Consider, though, that Fios deployment has barely begun, and as recently noted, AT&T and Verizon's upgrades combined will only cover one-third of homes passed by US MSOs by the end of the decade. You're shocked Comcast is still standing after the onslaught of a barely built network? This is a slow hike up a steep hill, so go long and pipe down. It's a little early to be expecting Fios to be out "vanquishing" major cable operators, and it's also a little early for investors to be committing seppuku over upgrades that are absolutely necessary if Verizon wants to be relevant in 2015. Related:- Beating Cable in Customer Satisfaction Is No Achievement
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join:2004-06-26 | Is it really short sighted investors? or do these investors know something about future economic conditions that average Joe doesn't? -- "I am not young enough to know everything." Oscar Wilde | |
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| Re: Is it really short sighted investors? said by Titus Pullo :or do these investors know something about future economic conditions that average Joe doesn't? No, it is the American way. Double digit returns today or else get rid of the executives. And if it means laying off half the working force to get the double digits, then do it. Never mind that the company is forecast to show TRIPLE DIGIT in 5 years, we want ours today, this minute.
This is the real reason China is winning. They do not care if they are getting a couple of percent today, it is still profit. They are building towards having control in 15-20 years and THAT is where they will rake in the returns. Ummm... Bill Gates sort of did the same thing in the DOS and early Windoze days, he wrote restrictive licenses, and then did not enforce them until today when Microsoft pretty much controls the PC software market. -- I am not lost, I find myself every time. | |
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| Re: Is it really short sighted investors? Yes, today. because with the way investors and execs are running companys the economy wont be there in a decade. Short sighted isnt a powerful enough term to describe their stupid small minded anti-social behavior. In business school people are taught that the first last and only responsability is the bottom line. net rev has become the embodyment of all that is wrong with the american economy. not that many other countries are doing better these days, after being infected with the now ubiquitous viewpoint. The first responsability of any business should not be to its shareholders, executives, or employees, but to the society that ALLOWS it to exist and operate, and that means making choices that are not the best for the highly-flawed business meteric of choice (bottom line)
If we dont start investing in the future, not next month or year, but the long term future, decades and centurys, we simply wont have one. Look at many long standing japanese businesses. some have business plans set for 75 years in the future. No that doesnt mean they are inflexible, as any plan will be changed continuously, but merely that they have some foresight to invision their company in a long off time generations away.
The right choice may not always be the MOST profitable choice. Verizon might have made more money in the short term doing ADSL2+ and hybrid infastructure FTTN etc. but they made the more difficult right choice for the future of telecom infastructure in this country and chose to lay fiber. The small stupid shareholders will no doubt be furious that their returns will be smaller, however the country as a whole will be stronger, and more money will be made later.
Most business people are stupid greedy scoundrels. Well, maybe not, but certainly the ones i have met. Single mindedness toward a few poorly chosen numbers deciding the fate of thousands of familys livelyhoods. Complete lack of understanding of long term impact of current actions. They will never change until they are forced to change, and unfortunately for the rest of us, that will mean a complete breakdown of the existing economic mismanagement we enjoy today. A great man once told me that american business somehow succeeded in spite of itself. I disagree. I think american business is failing and just doesnt know it yet. Im just worried that nobody will see it until we crash into the ground from our meteoric fall from the top. Oh well. flame away. =P | |
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| Analysts == salesmen for brokerage houses Remember one thing: "analysts" get paid by their employers to do one thing: generate churn (and thus, commissions). Encouraging short-term trading; thrashing about based on whatever "news" available, is the reason they exist. So personally I don't give what they say much credance.
That said, Verizon does have an issue that they are making a large investion in FIOS, primarily to give it a capability Comcast, et al, already has. That is, to sell TV. This means they need to compete on price; not the greatest business to be in. Everybody on this site is ga-ga over FIOS as a provider of high-speed internet access, but selling commodity bandwidth isn't the greatest of business. To Verizon FIOS == a method to sell high-margin TV services.
Maybe they don't have a choice, since the MSO's are busy stealing their high-margin phone business. But that doesn't mean FIOS is a great business to be in. | |
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| said by Titus Pullo :or do these investors know something about future economic conditions that average Joe doesn't? It appears "the Street" columnist is reading more in to a VZ stock price drop than it warrants. He says that VZ has been dropping since it's October high. But, in fact, since its low on Nov 27 it has been steadily rising.

But you do have a point. And that is that most investors(by volume of shares traded) are institutional investors, pension funds, and mutual funds. And these investors will drop a stock if they don't forecast at least a positive return in the intermediate term. And to some of them, obviously, they don't see Verizon profits so hot for a while. But they can move back in to Verizon later, when they expect Verizon profits to start rising again.
It really isn't the stock market that is the key to whether Verizon is going to stay the course or not on Fios. It is up to top management and whether they can convince the Board of Directors that investing in Fios will have a good ROI in the foreseeable future. If their business plan for Fios is believed, they will get backing by the Board. But if the Board thinks that management hasn't made a good case for getting a good return on Fios capital investments, then Fios could very well be severely slowed down, even if it is not stopped. -- -- My BLOG My Web Page | |
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| Re: Is it really short sighted investors? I copied this from a Verizon Newscenter Release: NEW YORK - On Monday, Nov. 20, Idearc Inc. common stock will begin trading in the regular way market on the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) under the symbol "IAR."
The previously announced spin-off of Idearc to shareholders of Verizon Communications Inc. (NYSE:VZ) was completed today, and Idearc now owns what were the Verizon domestic print and Internet yellow pages directories publishing operations. Verizon distributed a dividend of one share of Idearc common stock for every 20 shares of Verizon common stock held as of 5 p.m. on Nov. 1 (the "Idearc Stock Dividend").
This accounts for a 5% devaluation on Nov.20th Which would put Friday`s close near the 52 -week high. | |
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| said by Titus Pullo :or do these investors know something about future economic conditions that average Joe doesn't? Yes it is. See in the old days investors invested for the LONG term. Now everyone wants to make a quick buck. And to be honest that's just fantasyland crap someone has fed 99.99% of investors. Did Warren Buffet make his billions by chasing the quick buck? I don't think so. Who smarter, these guys or him? | |
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| The existing infrastructure is going downhill.. The copper cables are deteriorating (or are saturated to limits), in a five, maybe ten years most of it will be useless for anything but a few DSL circuits.
I give my existing copper circuit no more than a couple of years (ontop of previous 5.5 years of progressively slower DSL service), after that it becomes totally useless for any DSL service. | |
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| Re: The existing infrastructure is going downhill.. wrong. I am a low voltage tech. I used to work for a electric company. it will take a hell of a lot longer. like 30+ years for that to happen. lets not forget your house is full of copper wire. I have yet to see a house built in the 50's burn down due to ageing wire with out something being wrong with it. cut wire. shilding chewed off etc. verizon's wire is safe. cable companies would suffer the same fate if that was true. All hardline wire i've seen is copper or aluminum. and the same with RG-6 wire running to your house from a cable company ped. | |
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| said by Titus Pullo :or do these investors know something about future economic conditions that average Joe doesn't? What they know is that they're not making as much money as they could if Verizon would give up on the FIOS Money Pit. After all it's the here and now that matters, just ask any BIG Money Investor. So what if America ends up looking like it's a 2nd world country living in the good old days of yesteryear. -- "Sir SIR! We don't use DHCP servers. We only use IBM & Microsoft servers." From there my call to tech support went steadily downhill.
--How about some Virtual Agents to put upon that Virtual Fence? That way they can Virtually stop them all. | |
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| Re: Is it really short sighted investors? said by Varlik :said by Titus Pullo :or do these investors know something about future economic conditions that average Joe doesn't? What they know is that they're not making as much money as they could if Verizon would give up on the FIOS Money Pit. After all it's the here and now that matters, just ask any BIG Money Investor. So what if America ends up looking like it's a 2nd world country living in the good old days of yesteryear. One again short term thinking. Are these guys 80 years old? Most are probally around my age, 38. Now assume I retire at 60 that's another 22 years. I'm not worried about what Verizon is like today tommorow or 5 years from now. I worry about what Verizon is like 22 years from now. And frankly if Verzion were to depend on DSL then they will be exactly nowhere in 22 years. | |
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| Right, if investors want to be short sighted go invest in something else with bigger returns.... VZ isn't going anywhere....but if you want to invest in the future (FTTH) it beats ATT ADSL,Comcast Hybrid Fiber Coax or anything out there. Ya, it's going to take 5-10 years to wire the majority, but the network is in place for ANYTHING-voice, video, and data.....and they call themselves investors. | |
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| BPL is still here somehow? And Fios is going to die? Heck, can't ever get BPL to die and Fios actually works. Too much money in Fios, I think not.  | |
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| Re: This is complete and utter BS said by flankspeed8 :Verizon shares are only $3 off their 52 week high and about $6 off their 52 week low. These dumb ass analysts need to come to sites like this and see how happy people are with their Fios connection. This is complete BS. I am a Verizon shareholder and the ONLY thing keeping me in this stock is the hope of a pay-off in the future. Until then I will collect my %4.5 dividend and feel good everytime I read a glowing review here. And I think that's where their issue lies, they don't want hope, they want guaranteed payoff and as I can see, they aren't seeing it right now. | |
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| Re: This is complete and utter BS If you want a *guaranteed* ROI, you don't invest in stocks. You don't even invest in corporate senior debt. You instead invest in government-backed securities (primarily T-bills/T-bonds). However, VZ's 4.5% dividend is actually *higher* than that of short-term (seven-year) T-bills (the disadvantage VZ dividends have is that they are taxable). But for longer-term ROI (even seven years; remember, I'm comparing VZ return to T-bills) I'd much rather invest in VZ than the United States, even though the dividends are taxable. | |
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| Those articles are written mostly for day traders.
Investors buy and hold stocks that will move over the long term. Sure, the day traders will sell, but the investors will hold this one.
As you said, the stock carries a %4.5 dividend, and is a solid company. Institutionals also love stocks that pay a dividend. I see them holding VZ over the long term.
I don't see Verizon slowing fiber deployment at this point. Seidenberg knew from go that FiOS deployment would impact the stock price, and so far the impact is small considering the coin they're laying out. It took a lot of balls to go in the direction they did, I don't think a few bucks here or there on the price is going to make them balk.
I hope the stock would drop some more, I would love to pick up a couple shares on the 52 week low and let it sit.... -- Never ask what sort of a computer a guy drives. If he's a Mac user, he'll tell you. If not, why embarrass him? -Tom Clancy | |
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| said by flankspeed8 :Verizon shares are only $3 off their 52 week high and about $6 off their 52 week low. These dumb ass analysts need to come to sites like this and see how happy people are with their Fios connection. This is complete BS. I am a Verizon shareholder and the ONLY thing keeping me in this stock is the hope of a pay-off in the future. Until then I will collect my %4.5 dividend and feel good everytime I read a glowing review here. Well, not ALL reviews are glowing:
»[northeast] I'm tired of Verizon FIOS BS!
»Verizon order "on hold" because they didn't lay the fiber?
»Is this typical of Fios tech suppt?
»Lost order... grrrrrrrrr.
I posted these links to another forum as an example just to show that FIOS has just as many problems as any other service.
However, I do think that they are jumping the gun with this story. To say that they are "doomed" is a little extreme. Even I know that! 
One thing is for sure, if Verizon DOESN'T keep doing what they are doing with FIOS, they are sure to bankrupt their POTS system. They are damned either way. They either don't deploy fiber and definitely sink, or they deploy fiber and either become successful or die trying.
Personally, I don't think Verizon is going anywhere as a company. Even if their land services fail, in my opinion, they are the best wireless provider in the market. That in itself could carry them a long way as long as they don't loose their ass to the point of no return with this project.
There's a long road ahead, ck8. But as a human being, notwithstanding my obvious profession, I wish you luck in your financial endeavors. May you retire comfortably!  | |
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| Who cares? Vz Cash-Flow Alone is Enough They don't need wall street -- look at their $7 BILLION cash flow! They might need to slow down a little -- but they'll be fine. | |
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| Re: This is complete and utter BS Dont make me go back into that hell hole of a comcast forum and begin pulling your complaints. I'd never finish.
Comcast is slow in the evening, it goes out when it rains, customer support is hell and in India. Technicians like to use customer beds for sleep too.
Every example you cited before are just examples of small mistakes and process problems. Comcast and for that matter most other ISP's have bigger issues. -- Ubuntu Tips »www.ubuntutips.org | |
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| Re: This is complete and utter BS said by NOCMan :Dont make me go back into that hell hole of a comcast forum and begin pulling your complaints. I'd never finish. Every example you cited before are just examples of small mistakes and process problems. Comcast and for that matter most other ISP's have bigger issues. Yeah and Comcast alone has 30 MILLION + customers. Fios has about 400 THOUSAND. I could have pulled more, but I've got a life, too.
My point is, is that every service has their problems. As FIOS grows in customer base numbers, so will their complaints. It's just the nature of the communications business in general.
Comcast is slow in the evening, Fios can be slow too:
»[northeast] FIOS service lame in my area!!
customer support is hell and in India. HaHA! You're kidding right? They are NOT in India! Their support is all in America. Just because some support people have an accent doesn't mean they are in a foreign country. As far as the actual support goes, see one of the links I posted about Verizon's tech support. Support problems can and will be an issue for ALL communications companies. Again, it's the nature.
Technicians like to use customer beds for sleep too. There are bad apples in every bunch. They got caught and were fired. I personally saw a Verizon tech take a piss in someone's yard in broad daylight, too.
it goes out when it rains
That's not a nationwide issue. I could just as easily say that FIOS goes out when a squirrel chews on the fiber or when it storms, FIOS can go out when their backup power goes out.
With the rain issue, if it happens to several hundred or thousand people spread out all over the country, there are plant or drop issues that need fixed individually in those individual sytems. It's not a natural issue like it is with satellite TV service. I and hundreds of thousands of others experience not even a hiccup, just as the majority of FIOS customers haven't experienced any service problems.
I'm not bashing any service here. If you prefer FIOS over cable, that's fine. Or if you had issues that were not resolved by Comcast and you decided to switch, I don't blame you. All I am saying is that problems exist with ALL services. In the end, it's going to come down to price, reliability, and customer service no matter what kind of wire is feeding your house. If they could find a way to feed broadband to your house with a string between two tin cans, it wouldn't matter as long as it performed well.
As I have already stated, I think they are way ahead of themselves by saying that FIOS is doomed. | |
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| Re: This is complete and utter BS Well, now it appears Comcast is actively trying to exterminate it's customers in Chicago. Speed, service, and price are all important. But I think my biggest concern is to find a broadband provider that will just let me live. I'll stick with FiOS, thanks. | |
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| said by Dentonite :But I think my biggest concern is to find a broadband provider that will just let me live. I'll stick with FiOS, thanks. Can you elaborate on that? | |
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| I think it would be impossible to find a case in which people don't complain about something. People complain, that's what they do. Nothing is perfect and nothing is smooth from beginning to end of any process or service. 
Anyway, I think you are right, these guys seem to be calling something a certain way a little too early in the game.
Verizon is ahead of the game and will see huge gains if they continue their current strategy. Investors screaming for immediate profits based on what's being spent is definitely going to be a factor. It remains to be seen if they can prove to their investors that this will pay off in the future.
The current state of Broadband stinks in this country and I am not sure much will change any time soon. When you take that into account, I could see Verizon failing because they seem to be the only major player that is willing to at least "attempt" to deploy Broadband in the right way, even if it is in a really limited way right now.
The other major players seem content with stop gap measures and strategies, which is good for profit in the short term but bad for everyone in many ways in the long term.
That's the thing I never understood about this whole thing. It's like the Cable/Phone companies don't care at all about the state of Broadband in this country. I mean do they not see anything positive in looking forward and deploying next-generation Broadband right now so we can start becoming a Major Broadband Player as a Country again? How can this not lead to a windfall in profits for them? I thought you had to spend money to make money in the business world. Is that not true anymore? | |
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| Re: This is complete and utter BS The reason it won't lead to a cash windfall is because we keep outsourcing our country for cheaper prices and a quick buck.
Here is the sad state of affairs, we can't graduate enough technical people, we can't because we outsourced every minor tech job to another country in hopes of picking up quick cash, no one gives a rats ass about the future any more its all for today, and that is not going to change until a disaster, whether it be natural or man made , makes people realize that money is not what life is about. People now a days are afraid of hard work.
This land was built on the hard work of all of our forefathers, whether they were immigrants or not makes no matter, it was hard work that made this country great and it is slackers that will tear it down.
Here is where it shows. Kids today I would say since 1981 or there abouts age group, are so short sighted that they can't see the forest for the trees. They all want to either work for $50 an hour sitting on their ass or they don't want to work at all and let mommy and daddy pay for it all. The ones that do want to work, are small and have 2 parts. One side works to better their life and feel good about themselves after a hard days work. The others work only so they can live to go out and party today.
Its a major problem. They are running up debt at record rates. Their parents are also running up debt at record rates.
I see it every day. I was laid off but had the foresight to build a nest egg while I was working (anyone married will know never let the wife see that account or it gets spent to high hell) wife spent up most of it buying presents for people I don't even know. She's only 23 and she some how relates this to living this great life style.
How when it's my hard work that got this so every one else can blow it on me ? Hate to say it but that is what most of Americas youth is doing. Then leaning on daddy or mommy to pay it up after they screw up. And this is what is coming into power in this country in large numbers.
Look at who we owe debt to. Countries that are taking the small interest over longer periods of time. Knowing full well that we are destroying ourselves by trying to get stuff cheaper.
Let's face it does a welder in the midwest need to make $50 an hour when the houses around him cost 90 to 150 k ? Does he need to drive that $60 k escalade ? Every one wants to live like a rockstar and don't realize it takes more then those to make the world go round.
Don't get me wrong I am all for shooting for the moon when you do things, but geez if your not hitting the damn moon live with in your means.
By the way the reason they don't care about the state of the "broadband union" is because their investors want ROI the biggest they can get so they can buy the $10 k dress for their 19 year old wife when they are 60. It's a never ending cycle of greed and every day we dig ourselves deeper and deeper.
Its plainly evident by the console scalpers , the ticket scalpers , and every other form of quick bucking we have come to know and use. People are doing it with real estate and cars , now add consoles and other items that people cause hype over.
Really is a sad state of affairs when you sit and realize that we are bankrupting our own country and damaging it's future for our kids all because we want to live the easiest life. Kind of sickening when you actually look at it happening and realize not much can change that fate.
We call ourselves civilized and other nations 3rd world countries because they don't have the luxuries we have, are we really civilized compared to that tribe in Africa ? I mean really we fight or shoot and kill over a console while those people live and die without so much as seeing tv or a computer. Who are we to judge what is and is not civil.
/me gets off his soap box , picks it up and throws it in the dumpster -- "It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!" | |
|  |  |  |  |   MadMANN Premium join:2005-08-19 | Re: This is complete and utter BS BosstonesOwn:
Good post. | |
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| Bankrupting our own country ? This has been going on for the past ~100 years, only under changing guises , and it will continue. Fight and shoot over a console - what about fighting and killing over alcohol during prohibition ? We're certainly not committing genocide like all those civil people over in Africa are either.
I think I even heard Ward Cleaver saying this same stuff about "these kids nowadays" on more than a few episodes of Leave it to Beaver ... and that was about 50 years ago. -- ............................... I'm certifiable, not certified. It means my answers are from experience, not a book. | |
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| Re: This is complete and utter BS Yeah bankrupting our own country ! we did it with the manufacturing industry and look what happened , it dragged us down for quite some time. We outsource or lowest it jobs to other countries. Meanwhile we then complain we can't get good service.
Killing over alcohol was completely different at the time it was illegal just like drugs are at this point. That point is moot now try again.
Define civil ? and look at what you use as a definition. They commit genocide much like we did to indians over the years. So who are we to call any one civilized ? Don't believe everything your told.
yeah but those kids were not complete wastes of space. They at least went out and did things when bored.
Now we have a major problem with obesity among our children to I know that was a major problem back then.
The point is we farm out our work for a quick buck that didn't happen until this century. -- "It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!" | |
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| said by flankspeed8 : I am a Verizon shareholder and the ONLY thing keeping me in this stock is the hope of a pay-off in the future. Isn't that the point of buying stock? -- I walk upon this Earth by the power of my own two legs. | |
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join:1999-08-02 Phoenixville, PA | Re: This is complete and utter BS Not the only one. Sometime the dividends are good. | |
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| Investor is an Idiot Verizon's management knows that unless they move to an infrastructure that they fully own and control, that they are doomed. Verizon has no incentive to build out copper to expand DSL deployments because CLECs would be able to use these investments for free. Fiber is a whole different ball game though. They can build it to wherever they want (preferably to the most profitable areas) without fears of competing companies freeloading off of this infrastructure.
Comcast was killing Verizon in the broadband game because Comcast had built out service to areas to which Verizon would not provide DSL. Investors need to understand that FIOS is not some sort of "luxury toy technology" but it is the only way Verizon is going to remain relevant and survive in the 21st century. -- Only SHATNER is Kirk. | |
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join:2001-11-15 Odessa, FL | Myopic Investors If V* did not do this bold move they would eventually just fade away. At least they bit the bullet and made a commitment.(unlike the other telcos) I'm happy with my FiOS. -- The Light Pipe is the Right Pipe !!! | |
|  |   Midak Doctors suck Premium join:2002-02-26 Yonkers, NY | Re: Myopic Investors Exactly. They would be dead in another 10 years or so if they stayed with copper. Cable companies have been taking a big bite out of them with phone and internet sales. BTW, as of right now, they are up 1% for the day. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |   JTRockville Data Ho Premium,MVM join:2002-01-28 Rockville, MD clubs: | Re: MCMD Isn't Lit Yet Well... you never know how many of 'em live in VZ's fiber footprint.  | |
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|  b10010011 Whats a Posting tag?
join:2004-09-07 Bellingham, WA | This guy is either a moron... Or he is trying to pump his Comcast stock and short Verizon. | |
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| Re: This guy is either a moron... said by b10010011 :Or he is trying to pump his Comcast stock and short Verizon. SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! You're giving away his secret!
"But you're giving away our best secrets!"
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| WTF!! Last time I checked VZ is $1 away from it's 52 week high and has been going up steadily since July. Please spare us this sky is falling crap. Sell the stock if one thinks so and put your money elsewhere. This is not a dotcom stock and not going to jump $30 in a day like Google. | |
|  NuAlphaMan
join:2006-08-07 Bowie, MD
| Foolishness! If anyone thought this was going to be an overnight process, that was sheer foolishness. For them (telcos) to be competitive, they need this type of upgrade. Copper is an old and quickly becoming an obsolescent technology. This has to be looked at from a long term point of view. This change will breed competition amongst the various providers (cable & telcos) and will be good for everyone! | |
|  |   Staplegun
join:2005-04-20 Flower Mound, TX | Re: Foolishness! It is foolish. I heard VZ is having huge revenue growth in Texas from FiOS (where they started and have the most deployed).... | |
|  |  |  rmrper
join:2006-06-13 Garland, TX
·Verizon FIOS
·AT&T CallVantage
| Re: Foolishness! I can believe this. They turned my approx. 100 home neighborhood on last month. I have internet now, and TV on order. Judging from all the new FIOS trenches to the sides of people's homes and new ONT's, I'd say the take rate in my neighborhood may be near 30% or more. That's pretty good. As a side effect, TW cable(who took over from Comcast officially in early Nov.) is now getting competitive with both speeds and prices. | |
|  cbrain
join:2000-05-21 Silver Spring, MD | It's just a matter of time Verizon could be in real trouble when this internet fad dies or people stop watching TV and talking on the phone. | |
|  |   MadMANN Premium join:2005-08-19
·Comcast
| Re: It's just a matter of time said by cbrain :Verizon could be in real trouble when this internet fad dies or people stop watching TV and talking on the phone. I smell something. . . .i think it's. . . .yeah. . . .definitely sarcasm!  | |
|  |  Kearnstd Elf Wizard
join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ
| said by cbrain :Verizon could be in real trouble when this internet fad dies or people stop watching TV and talking on the phone. well i hear Verizon is investing in companies that make tubes for when the use of wires for the net is over.... -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
|  |  |  BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15 Everett, MA clubs:
·Comcast Formerly ..
| Re: It's just a matter of time said by Kearnstd :said by cbrain :Verizon could be in real trouble when this internet fad dies or people stop watching TV and talking on the phone. well i hear Verizon is investing in companies that make tubes for when the use of wires for the net is over.... Yeah I heard about those, one of the senators was talking about that. This will surely be a revolution I need to get involved in ! -- "It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!" | |
|   LilYoda Feline with squirel personality disorder Premium join:2004-09-02 Mountains
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| Not surprising Investors and companies have different goals...
The company wants profit now, but most importantly in the future. Why? because if they don't, they'll just go under.
The investors do not have this burden. Investors want the profit now, but they have the freedom of changing ships almost instantly.
The problem arises when you let large short sighted investor groups become the majority shareholder in your company... Or worse, that your CEO is putting the shareholder's interests before the company. Like when the "CEO of the day" sink a company purposely just to raise the share value, and then moves on to the next one, leaving the failing company to crash down in flames... -- "the two most abundant things in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity." (Harlan Ellison) | |
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