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Sad....This is really sad. I have friends who live in Tehran who are part of the younger generation and who are very vocal and speak outright against their Gov't. They aren't very different than you and I at all. This could be stag setting for a gigantic uprising from within that country. | |
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2012-Apr-10 8:23 am
Re: Sad....Or the stage for creating a covert Darknet that can benefit the world. | |
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2012-Apr-10 9:30 am
Re: Sad....You can read more about active darknet projects here: » www.reddit.com/r/darknetplan | |
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iamwhatiam to HotRodFoto
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2012-Apr-10 11:43 am
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That's generally what happens when a government sets out to screw everyone, as opposed to just a minority.
(And it's only an "intranet" if it connects to the "Internet" at some point--which seems unlikely here; otherwise it's just a WAN.) | |
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What's funny is you can get on Teamspeak, look at available open servers by country, and connect to servers in Iran. I've done it before just out of boredom, there's tons of Iranians in there playing online games and you can talk to them lol. | |
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said by HotRodFoto:This is really sad. I have friends who live in Tehran who are part of the younger generation and who are very vocal and speak outright against their Gov't. They aren't very different than you and I at all. This could be stag setting for a gigantic uprising from within that country. And when the US colonies got tired of the King of England we took up arms. That is what it will take for Iran. if the younger generation really had enough they will be willing to make the sacrifice. Until then............... | |
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Exactly! Freedom isn't free. You must be willing to die for it. | |
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2012-Apr-10 8:26 am
Yeah, this will not work out wellSoon enough, there will be other means by which outside news will filter through. Once this happens, then it will really get ugly.
This reminds me of the last, live broadcast of Dan Rather when he was at CBS News in Tiananmen Square right before the government crackdown. He was in front of a satellite truck with a few of the CBS workers and was explaining that the Chinese Government were telling them no more live broadcasts. As he signed off, he looked back and this big burly white guy flipped a switch and the image went to static. The next day, the tanks rolled in. | |
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2012-Apr-10 8:47 am
Re: Yeah, this will not work out wellAnd yet, the world still saw the tanks roll in. | |
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2012-Apr-10 10:03 am
Re: Yeah, this will not work out wellAfter the fact and with a lot of smuggling of tapes out of the country.
The Chinese government wasn't going to let the world see this if they could stop it. | |
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2012-Apr-10 10:58 am
Re: Yeah, this will not work out wellAnd yet, the one lasting image of that event is that of a lone individual stopping an entire row of tanks in their tracks. | |
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2012-Apr-11 7:50 am
Re: Yeah, this will not work out wellsaid by milnoc:And yet, the one lasting image of that event is that of a lone individual stopping an entire row of tanks in their tracks. A banned image in China. And no one knows if that man is alive or dead either. | |
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2012-Apr-11 7:56 am
Re: Yeah, this will not work out wellDo you honestly think banning image will prevent people from seeing it? This is the Internet! Anything that's "banned" will attract people to it like flies to a rotting carcass! | |
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2012-Apr-11 2:25 pm
Re: Yeah, this will not work out wellsaid by milnoc:Do you honestly think banning image will prevent people from seeing it? This is the Internet! Anything that's "banned" will attract people to it like flies to a rotting carcass! Again, you are missing the point. Once they cut off the links, they are free to do as they please. Case in point is Syria. Very little is coming out as to what is really going on in there. When you have a government, like Iran, nothing is out of bounds for their police forces. Get caught with a banned picture, you might not ever be heard from again. When this happens, one of 2 things will occur; the people will rise up in a violent revolution or they will cower in fear. And unless it makes people really angree beyond the borders, it's like it never happened. | |
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2012-Apr-10 8:34 am
Iran Search EngineThe Iranian search engine results page will just be a static page stating "Showing results 1-2 of about 2 results (0.28 seconds)" and only returning the same two pages.
Seriously though, I wonder if the Iranian Intranet will be a walled garden for the public in general, but still allows some access out for those that need it. It doesn't matter what country you are, you can not survive solely on internal information. International business must be done...maybe not the West, but with someone. | |
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2012-Apr-10 8:38 am
Re: Iran Search EngineCrap...it's worst than I thought. They don't show results 1-2 of about 2. They don't show any results. I guess that will cut down the number of lost business hours from people surfing the web there. | |
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Oppression of the PeopleOppression of the people, taking away liberties, controlling other peoples lives. | |
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Re: Oppression of the Peoplesaid by wahoospa:Oppression of the people, taking away liberties, controlling other peoples lives. exactly, and it should be a lesson learned here in the U.S. that we should think very long and carefully before we ask our government to pass any further legislation giving them regulatory control over ISPs or the Internet here. | |
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2012-Apr-10 10:45 am
Re: Oppression of the PeopleThank you for speaking some sense - although it's Iran in the news today, if we do not stand up for our rights, the headline in the future will be "US bans internet usage to citizens".
The US Gov doesn't want to help you, and we need to stop looking to the Gov for every issue we come across in our lives. We had a separation of power built into the framework, yet we have our Gov getting into state/local affairs. Wake up people - turn off your TV, read the writing on the wall, and do something about it(write a letter to your elected officials, form a group, talk to other like minded people).
Or just be like all the other sheep, and continue to watch your TV and convince yourself "it won't happen here". | |
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MicrowaveTime to setup a microwave, wireless, or E-Bay a Sat box to the outside.
No encrypted traffic, what a dream... | |
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2012-Apr-10 10:35 am
Re: MicrowaveWon't they just jam RF signals? Perhaps border areas can use this technique but in the interior folks will probably just go dark. | |
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Re: Microwavesaid by rradina:Won't they just jam RF signals? Perhaps border areas can use this technique but in the interior folks will probably just go dark. Guess RF would work on jamming WiFi, but not microwave as far as I know, not really my area of IT, but I guess if they want to blast RF and microwave to jam devices, access to the open Internet will be the least of their concerns at that time. I'd try to get a satellite from the US or somewhere to get unfiltered Internet, then maybe share it via mesh WiFi to make cash, if it's not too risky... | |
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Re: MicrowaveI thought the USSR used to effectively jam VOA. Although I haven't messed with a SW radio in years, it was relatively easy to spin the dial of my Dad's tube-based Halicrafter's and land on a powerful signal of strange sounding noise patterns. My dad told me those were jamming signals designed to control information.
He frequently requested signal verifications from distant SW stations and correspondance from them would sometimes get opened by OUR (U.S.) government. My understanding is that this is illegal without a warrant but they did it anyway. My dad always used to smile with a sense of satisfaction at wasting the governments time since the information he received (typically a program guide) was certainly no threat to national security. Although that was a good 10-15 years after the McCarthy trial era, the space race was in full bloom and there was still a lot of communist fear in the country. | |
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Given the recent LightSquared troubles in terms of adjacent terrestrial high-power signals that interfering with GPS, it seems like it would be quite easy to disrupt satellite communications -- especially if powerful terrestrial transmissions used the exact frequency vs. adjacent.
I would also assume that US geosync satellite positions will be very low on the western Iranian horizon and if the birds utilize "spot beam" technologies, it might be all but impossible to get good reception.
However, European geosync satellites should be in a good position -- if not jammed.
It all depends on how much Iran relies on satellites. If they rely on satellites, then they cannot jam themselves. Since they aren't a "space race" country, they probably don't have their own. | |
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2012-Apr-10 8:57 am
Iran denies it plans to cut off internet access» news.yahoo.com/iran-deni ··· 582.htmlIran has denied online reports surfacing Tuesday that it plans to cut access to the Internet in August and replace it with a national intranet, according to a statement by the ministry of communication and information technology.
The reports derived from a supposed interview with Communications Minister Reza Taghipour published on April 1 that was in fact a hoax, the ministry said in the statement on its own site www.ict.gov.ir -- which itself was not accessible outside of Iran.
The ministry statement slammed the false report as serving "the propaganda wing of the West and providing its hostile media with a pretext emanating from a baseless claim."
But he did not explain whether access to the Internet would be cut, or whether Iran's "national information network" would exist alongside the world wide web.
Iran in any case currently censors millions of websites deemed un-Islamic, and has from time to time imposed temporary additional restrictions. So, will Iran cutoff the internet or just censor as usual? | |
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Let sleeping dogs alone.I suppose some enterprising pirates or .XXX could make a little action on the side. Sponsor a few contests to see who cracks the filters first. Course why bother since isn't like anything really worth the goal. No movies, music, porn, games..... Why not just leave them alone to stew in their own juices. Or is some oil rationale. After all no one goes yelling about other insular societies like the Mennonites or hipster Manhattanites. Maybe they go after the fringes like Mormons but then they have things. It's always the things.
My fave Manhattan bar sign. There's No One Here. Just Poets and Artists.
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US is nexteveryone copies everyone else's playbook. | |
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2012-Apr-10 10:19 am
2 edged swordGood news is: Can't blame Facebook for the lack of attention kids don't get from parents [in Iran]. People can go outside and see the real world.
Bad news is: No way to reach outside Iran for help if the government starts a violent crack down. There will be ways, but it'll be harder, more dangerous then the net. Can't surf for free porn and Bar B Q recipes. | |
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2012-Apr-10 12:30 pm
Re: 2 edged swordPerhaps I should start selling shortwave radios to Iranians. Seriously? You're going to stop information from the rest of the world from coming into Iran? That will happen when radio and TV signals respect country and political borders. And that will happen when pigs fly. Of all the boneheaded ideas...... | |
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2012-Apr-10 11:45 am
Don't underestimte the younger generationThe iranian government knows that their downfall will come from a revolution by the younger generation. They have to thread lightly between preventing that generation from having too much contact with the west and getting them so angry that they overthrow the government.
Come to think of it, the rumour of cutting off the internet might have been created by the USA/Israel to cause unrest in Iran by the younger generation. | |
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2012-Apr-10 12:18 pm
Can we have your IP addresses?Can we have your IP addresses? If you're not going to use them, we want them back. | |
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Hactivists could do a lot of good hereThis sounds like a challenge for Anonymous to take on: provide uncensored Internet access to the Iranian people. After all, they are already taking on Syria's oppressive regime. | |
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2012-Apr-10 12:31 pm
Re: Hactivists could do a lot of good heretoo late to make difference ...in iran. | |
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2012-Apr-10 6:10 pm
So?Does this mean they will have a direct connection with NK? | |
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2012-Apr-10 7:33 pm
Ok...........my only question is if Iran is denying this report why not post something like this when Iran *ACTUALLY* blocks everything... why post this news now? Iran's claim is correct then? "the propaganda wing of the West and providing its hostile media with a pretext emanating from a baseless claim."?
It's sorta like how the US claims Iran is building WMD's for over 5 years but yet have no proof whatsoever against them.
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