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Chesterfield, MO | Confused by percentages... Are we saying 100% = 30Mbps or greater, ~70% = 40Mbps or greater and ~50%, 70Mbps or greater? | |
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It appears up to 30% of Ireland may be getting an unknown wireless technology. The plan waits for implementing legislation sometime in 2013.
The plan indicates a Prohibition on government direct interdiction before August 2014.
Karl this is pie in the sky. Already between Comcast, Verizon and ATT the U.S. may have already beat this plan for a plan. | |
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| | | | Re: Confused by the plan said by elizabeth:This plan doesn't discuss internet technology.
It appears up to 30% of Ireland may be getting an unknown wireless technology. The plan waits for implementing legislation sometime in 2013.
The plan indicates a Prohibition on government direct interdiction before August 2014.
Karl this is pie in the sky. Already between Comcast, Verizon and ATT the U.S. may have already beat this plan for a plan.
The difference is that Ireland will cover 100% of the population with something. We have people that still can't get 1mbps DSL or 3G wireless. | |
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| Re: Confused by the plan said by silbaco:The difference is that Ireland will cover 100% of the population with something. We have people that still can't get 1mbps DSL or 3G wireless. USA! USA! USA!
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join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO | We still don't provide telephone or electricity to 100% of the USA, do we? Even satellite and wireless won't reach every valley surrounded by mountains. | |
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join:2002-09-14
Dearborn, MI Reviews:
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| said by silbaco:The difference is that Ireland will cover 100% of the population with something. We have people that still can't get 1mbps DSL or 3G wireless.
You mean Ireland claims it will cover 100% of the population. Given the Ireland's economic problems, I doubt it will be politically acceptable for them to go through with the plan, and given the plan counts wireless broadband as coverage, it's not a particularly ambitious goal to begin with. | |
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join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI | Cmon how has anyone not made the "luck of the irish" joke yet?
This is the most surprising stat "less than 10% of the country's business broadband connections are capable of speeds above 10 Mbps downstream." | |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
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| Upstream speeds? I'm pretty sure Ireland has the same MV-DDS spectrum availability as the US. So, if you are allowed to do an asymmetric connection, there's your 30 or 40 Mbps right there. Run your uplink over fixed LTE and upload speeds, while not symmetric, won't be half bad.
70-100 Mbps would be done best over either FTTH or DOCSIS 3 (remember that EuroDOCSIS channels are 8MHz to our 6MHz, so more speed is available). If the D3 route is chosen and upload speeds aren't required to be quite what download speeds are, 100 Mbps to half the population is probably very doable. | |
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join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 |  Is this the Ireland that is going broke & begging for help?
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| | | Re: Is this the Ireland that is going broke & begging for help? said by Linklist:Is this the same Ireland that is going belly up financially and is begging Germany to save their butts because their government spent way more than it ever took in in taxes? Where, may I ask, are they going to get the money for this broadband plan?
They probably have not thought about that yet. Seriously. | |
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| | | | Re: Is this the Ireland that is going broke & begging for help? said by HarryH3:I was wondering the same! Ireland's national debt is over 1,200% of their GDP and works out to nearly a half million US dollars for every person in the country. Where are they getting the money?  Perhaps the US is borrowing the money from China so that we can lend it to Ireland? 
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Sigh... there's a difference between gross external debt and public debt. Ireland's current public debt is at around 100% of GDP. | |
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| | |  skeechanAi OtsukaholicPremium
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kudos:2 | Re: Is this the Ireland that is going broke & begging for help? Oh I'm sure those inside Ireland that own the bonds will pass on the interest payments they're due simply because they're on the island. | |
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| said by Linklist:Is this the same Ireland that is going belly up financially and is begging Germany to save their butts because their government spent way more than it ever took in in taxes? Where, may I ask, are they going to get the money for this broadband plan?
That interesting because a few years back, Ireland was the poster child for the Republican party. Their negligible taxes was apparently supposed to be a hit.
You mean big gov, unionized, lower deficit and low unemployment Germany bailed them out.
The GOP and its cohorts seem to have a significant problem with being truthful and stating actual facts. Probably best ya'll stick to empty rhetoric and abstract slogans. | |
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Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | Re: Is this the Ireland that is going broke & begging for help? said by Telco:said by Linklist:Is this the same Ireland that is going belly up financially and is begging Germany to save their butts because their government spent way more than it ever took in in taxes? Where, may I ask, are they going to get the money for this broadband plan?
That interesting because a few years back, Ireland was the poster child for the Republican party. Their negligible taxes was apparently supposed to be a hit. You mean big gov, unionized, lower deficit and low unemployment Germany bailed them out. The GOP and its cohorts seem to have a significant problem with being truthful and stating actual facts. Probably best ya'll stick to empty rhetoric and abstract slogans. The problem wasn't low taxes, It was too much spending.
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| | | | | Re: Is this the Ireland that is going broke & begging for help? said by Linklist:The problem wasn't low taxes, It was too much spending.
No, it really wasn't. | |
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| said by Linklist:The problem wasn't low taxes, It was too much spending.
You dodged the facts. The Republican party was cheering on Ireland before their cronies on Wall Street toppled the rest of the world.
Nevertheless, I'd like to see you explain the Big Gov nation this very day that have lower unemployment rates and even lower deficits than us. Their higher GDP per capita does not hurt them either. | |
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| decifal
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| said by Linklist:Is this the same Ireland that is going belly up financially and is begging Germany to save their butts because their government spent way more than it ever took in in taxes? Where, may I ask, are they going to get the money for this broadband plan?
Yeah, but this is probably the first time their "spending" could benefit the citizens for a change.. Its amazing at the thought of how many jobs could've been created along side with how much we could have done to the U.S with just a fraction of one of the stimulus packages cost.. Assuming we didn't just give it all to ATT and verizon to pocket that is | |
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| | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
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| Re: Is this the Ireland that is going broke & begging for help? We supposedly did that. $7.2 billion or so of the ARRA was supposed to go to broadband. Not sure if it ended up all getting doled out though.
Also, at 200 million Euros of government investment ($250 million USD), they'll be spending about $56 per person of government money on this program. If you spent the same amount per person in the U.S., the total would be about $17.45 billion (the US has 311.6 million people). That's over 2.4x what was spent on the ARRA. Not chump change.
All that said, and as I mentioned before, hitting 30 Mbps for everyone in a relatively small country with relatively centralized population centers (a bit smaller than South Carolina with a 22.5% higher population density) isn't going to be terribly difficult, particularly since we're only talking about download speeds (since you can deliver 100M down, 30M up very easily over a 8x4 channel bonded DOCSIS 3 system).
Bringing Dublin up to DOCSIS 3 or FTTH takes care of around 25% of the population...and more than 25% is already wired (35% now). To get to 50% of the population, you have to provide similar services to the largest 45 towns in Ireland, the smallest of which has a population around 9,000.
Things get a bit trickier for the 70% at 40 Mbps side of things, since the remaining towns on Ireland's top 100 only represent 5% of the country's population. But my guess is that "pulling a Clearwire" in these towns (TD-LTE, not WiMAX) would get the "middle 20%" to 40 Mbps without too much of an issue.
For the last 30%, you basically need to blanket the country in 10x10MHz LTE. Sort of like how Verizon is doing with 700MHz. The issue here is that it looks like Ireland will be auctioning off 800MHz spectrum (comparable to Cellular block A in the US) in parcels 5MHz wide for uplinks and downlinks. You can get a 30 Mbps connection over that...I've seen it on a Sprint phone that uses 5x5 LTE...but you had better have a good signal and not a lot of other users on the site (then again, we're talking about really rural deployments here anyway). But hey, maybe a mobile company will win bids on two blocks side-by-side here (out of six blocks total), allowing for easy 30 Mbps service by 2020 (when LTE will have gone through multiple revisions).
Speaking of 2020, that's when Ireland plans to have 30 Mbps to all in place. Sounds like a softball to me.
Speaking of spectrum, they're also selling 5x5 channels in 900MHz (seven total) and 1800MHz (15 total). If BRS-style (2500MHz) spectrum isn't open for use, you could certainly hit 40 Mbps speeds to users by deploying a 10x10 LTE channel or two in 1800 (so you'd need to win either two or four blocks at that level).
One more interesting anecdote: analysts say that Ireland stands to gain as much as $290 million (I think it's in dollars) on spectrum sales over the 280MHz mentioned here. That's...wait for it...more than they're shelling out to bring 30M broadband to everyone Interesting... | |
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| | | said by Linklist:Is this the same Ireland that is going belly up financially and is begging Germany to save their butts because their government spent way more than it ever took in in taxes? Where, may I ask, are they going to get the money for this broadband plan?
Uh no... Ireland had very low debt and deficit when the global recession hit. Their current financial woes have much more to do with the ongoing recession in Europe and the Euro woes than anything to do with Ireland's taxation and spending plans. | |
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